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juggalo baby coffin posted:they did actually have one guy who was behind all the really interesting lore poo poo for elder scrolls, but I think he stopped being involved around the time of oblivion because their stock fantasy setting for oblivion poo poo on a lot of the lore he'd worked on. morrowind and daggerfall had really unified consistent lore poo poo that was weird as hell, but it fell apart for oblivion. skyrim seems like it tried to claw some stuff back, but they still compromised on things in a really weird lovely way. He still consults on things in ESO, IIRC. All big fantasy franchises need a crazy person like Kirkbride though. The man wrote the Morrowind install CD into the lore, for god's sake.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Do you get different rewards based on who you help? or is it purely an aesthetic choice? I'd rather let the Operators (they seem pretty suave) and the Pack (they like bright colors and animals, I can relate) live a bit longer and kill the Disciples (these guys freak me the gently caress out) off first. But this can change if I get better stuff killing someone else (before killing them all that is). After you defeat the gang that betrays you, you'll get a perk and a legendary weapon from the two remaining gangs: -Disciples will give you an instigating disciples blade and a perk where melee kills restore AP. -Operators will give you a relentless handmade rifle and a perk that buffs stealth and silenced weapon damage. -Pack give you a furious baseball bat and a perk that buffs DR and melee/unarmed damage. So, you can pick which of those three options you like the least and just not give any territory to that gang. If you aren't big on stabbing people in the face, then go ahead and ignore the Disciples. If you were Min/Maxing a melee character though, it would make more sense kill off the Operators. Hobo on Fire fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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juggalo baby coffin posted:im not saying hes a good prose author, but he did produce one of the best fantasy universes of recent years in morrowind. Morrowind, much like Oblivion and Skyrim are all based on Daggerfall and Arena. Like, iirc they added almost zero new lore books to Morrowind. And Kirkbride didn't come on until Redguard. So no, you're thinking of Ted Peterson and Julian Lefay. Kirkbride literally does TES fanfiction.
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Giga Gaia posted:He still consults on things in ESO, IIRC. All big fantasy franchises need a crazy person like Kirkbride though. The man wrote the Morrowind install CD into the lore, for god's sake. the thing is getting an entire team, not to rely on the maniac on the middle as the saying goes - if Kirkbride was the pitcher of crazy working with a team of core writers and two editors, he probably wouldn't need to lock himself up in a room with as much alcohol as possible to bang ten pages of WE ARE ONE AS WE ARE YOU AND NONE IS ALL AND ALL IS I FOR I IS WE AND EVERYTHING IS ONE
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Kirkbride was also one of the concept artists for Morrowind. That and the 36 Lessons of Vivec were his biggest contributions, I think? We have a Morrowind thread, if you'd care to discuss Kirkbride's importance/quality or lack thereof. It's a perennial topic.Space Cadet Omoly posted:Any one who think's Trejo's performance is bad is just flat out wrong, the deadpan way he's delivering the lines perfectly fits the character.  He's a tired old man who's just hanging out.
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my big problem with the gangs is I am a fan of all their collective aesthetics.
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I wish Kris Kristofferson had more than his 30 minutes of straight dialogue, because I sure did sit there and listen to all his stories and was disappointed when there was nothing else to talk about and I had to listen to him once last time before he shot himself. It's the right thing to do probably but I sure don't feel good about it when I do it. I don't think I've ever let him carry on.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Do you get different rewards based on who you help? or is it purely an aesthetic choice? I'd rather let the Operators (they seem pretty suave) and the Pack (they like bright colors and animals, I can relate) live a bit longer and kill the Disciples (these guys freak me the gently caress out) off first. But this can change if I get better stuff killing someone else (before killing them all that is). You made the right choice; the Disciples actually have the shittiest rewards on top of being creepy and weird. The Pack and Operator perks are just insane. You can only get two of the gangs' rewards and the Disciples ones just suck. You are also correct to murder the rest of them. frajaq posted:Because they said as much (from interviews with Todd and comments by Pete Hines) that they consider the Fallout IP as their playground where "anything goes" They really don't have a ton of consistency with the Elder Scrolls either. Like the basics are basically always there but the world became significantly less insane after Morrowind. Cyrodiil was supposed to be extremely thickly wooded; actually a jungle in some places. The trees also weren't just trees either. Green Emperor Way was supposed to be where the souls of emperors went when they died. They inhabited trees and advised new emperors. Or something like that...in any event one of the things that made Morrowind so cool was how utterly alien the world ultimately was. I mean hey crazy, ancient wizards that live in big rear end mushrooms, people worshipping decaying, mortal "gods" that were never gods at all and literally stole their power, dwarves that were actually elves that just kind of up and vanished one day and nobody knew just what the gently caress, literal demon ruins dotting the landscape that people used as landmarks to give each other directions... Other than stuff like the Daedra showing up Oblivion and Skyrim were just generic fantasy worlds, really. The Mythic Dawn kind of sort of were crazy but were just nowhere near the absolute madness of what happened in Morrowind. Even the Shivering Isles weren't really all that weird.
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Nasgate posted:Morrowind, much like Oblivion and Skyrim are all based on Daggerfall and Arena. Like, iirc they added almost zero new lore books to Morrowind. And Kirkbride didn't come on until Redguard. So no, you're thinking of Ted Peterson and Julian Lefay. Kirkbride literally does TES fanfiction. idk man wasnt all the vivec poo poo kirkbride? thats the poo poo i do like.
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Nasgate posted:Morrowind, much like Oblivion and Skyrim are all based on Daggerfall and Arena. Like, iirc they added almost zero new lore books to Morrowind. And Kirkbride didn't come on until Redguard. So no, you're thinking of Ted Peterson and Julian Lefay. Kirkbride literally does TES fanfiction. Looking at what he wrote on the Elder Scrolls Wiki, he wrote a lot of stuff for Morrowind. At least 36 things. The ending of the words is A L M V I S I juggalo baby coffin posted:idk man wasnt all the vivec poo poo kirkbride? thats the poo poo i do like. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Michael_Kirkbride
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Vavrek posted:I didn't realize anyone thought Trejo's performance had problems. Me Either until I read it in this thread, I loved Trejo's performance in New Vegas. He's a perfect fit for the character and the world. ToxicSlurpee posted:You made the right choice; the Disciples actually have the shittiest rewards on top of being creepy and weird. The Pack and Operator perks are just insane. You can only get two of the gangs' rewards and the Disciples ones just suck. Good to know my insincts were correct here. Also, Porter Gage's backstory is giving me a real guilt trip: It's all about how he was betrayed by a boss he trusted and then never trusted anyone again until he met me, who unbeknownst to him is fully intending to betray and murder him. Gage is a pretty great character: he's clearly a lovely person with no desire to change his ways or improve himself, but he's charming and laid back enough that you can't help but like the guy. Evil, but not cartoonishly evil or unlikable.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Me Either until I read it in this thread, I loved Trejo's performance in New Vegas. He's a perfect fit for the character and the world. Eh, I couldn't feel the least bit guilty about eventually betraying him. He was originally a farmer until his farm got raided when he was in his early teens (or 12 or something? Young either way) and decided "there's predators and prey and gently caress you I'm gonna be a predator!" He was a raider from then on out. No remorse or anything and then later says that he'd rather be the hidden influence than the leader. He likes being second in command because he can yank on the strings and direct things but never get the blame. Nuka World was basically his brain child and he set up Colter as the leader on purpose. Once everybody started to question the whole gig as it wasn't going too great Gage set up Colter to take the fall even though it was entirely Gage's doing in the first place. Gage is an immoral, self-serving sociopath that would have sold the player out at the drop of a hat if it ever suited him to do so. He's a calculating manipulator that cares only for himself. Really the fact that they managed to do that properly makes him a pretty good character. He's a raider through and through. He's extremely slow to trust because he knows how raiders think and they'll dick over anybody at any time if there's enough caps in it.
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of course it wouldn't be a bethesda game full experience if after three hours setting up and packing your mods, new vegas simply dies at load and of course I tried to keep as minimal as possible but then pretty shaders are a must and then nevada skies and why not character overhaul and oh the texture pack is needed and *breathes deeply*
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grobbo posted:I think what makes Perry’s performance stand out noticeably is that the character is just so specifically written in a way that his line-reading just doesn’t get on board with. I thought Perry did fine, but I don't care enough to try and defend him, but Trejo was my favorite part of New Vegas and I will fight anyone who says he's bad. I still occasionally listen to Black Mountain radio.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Eh, I couldn't feel the least bit guilty about eventually betraying him. He was originally a farmer until his farm got raided when he was in his early teens (or 12 or something? Young either way) and decided "there's predators and prey and gently caress you I'm gonna be a predator!" He was a raider from then on out. No remorse or anything and then later says that he'd rather be the hidden influence than the leader. He likes being second in command because he can yank on the strings and direct things but never get the blame. Nuka World was basically his brain child and he set up Colter as the leader on purpose. Once everybody started to question the whole gig as it wasn't going too great Gage set up Colter to take the fall even though it was entirely Gage's doing in the first place. I mean, nothing you're saying is wrong, but I still like the guy. Doesn't mean I won't kill him, doesn't mean I don't think he deserves to be killed (the game makes it clear he's been doing many bad things for a very long time), but I still kind of wish it wasn't that way. I don't think he's a total sociopath either. I think, maybe, if he had grown up differently, seen good triumph over evil more often or met some people he could actually trust a little earlier, he might not have ended up being what he is. But he didn't, and now he's old and set in his ways and won't ever change and Imma gunna have to put a bullet in his brain. Also, does anyone else find it weird that he's romance-able? There are five romance-able guys in this game, but only three romance-able girls, what's up with that? Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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Nasgate posted:Morrowind, much like Oblivion and Skyrim are all based on Daggerfall and Arena. Like, iirc they added almost zero new lore books to Morrowind. And Kirkbride didn't come on until Redguard. So no, you're thinking of Ted Peterson and Julian Lefay. Kirkbride literally does TES fanfiction. redguard+morrowind (especially the Pocket Guide to the Empire Vol. 1) are actually considered the "beginning" of what most people think of TES now actually arena and daggerfall had a lot of the bits that would go on to get fleshed out (race, province names, most of the aedra/daedra ended up being established in them though not generally as they were re-imagined as in TES3) but other that it was just a lot of kind of homebrew D&D stuff
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Yeah, all of the elder scrolls just reads like they converted some guy's old D&D campaign. "I wanna play a cat boy" "OK, you can play a cat boy" "Where are cat boys from" "Er... they're from... elsewhere?"
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eating only apples posted:I wish Kris Kristofferson had more than his 30 minutes of straight dialogue, because I sure did sit there and listen to all his stories and was disappointed when there was nothing else to talk about and I had to listen to him once last time before he shot himself. It's the right thing to do probably but I sure don't feel good about it when I do it. I don't think I've ever let him carry on. You know there's a third option, right? Kill Caesar, and you can convince him the war's winnable, make him give up without blowing his brains out.
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Gort posted:Yeah, all of the elder scrolls just reads like they converted some guy's old D&D campaign. "I wanna play a cat boy" "OK, you can play a cat boy" "Where are cat boys from" "Er... they're from... elsewhere?" it certainly took them a really long loving time to make their elves distinguish a bit
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dead comedy forums posted:of course it wouldn't be a bethesda game full experience if after three hours setting up and packing your mods, new vegas simply dies at load "Ahh all the mods are ready let's get playing" *20 minutes pass* "drat i forgot [mod]" "Ok i have my stimpacks,my bottlecaps,best armour, let's get going" *gets to destination* "for gently caress sake! i forgot [item]"
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:"Ok i have my stimpacks,my bottlecaps,best armour, let's get going" *gets to destination* "for gently caress sake! i forgot [item]" This happens all the time in any Bethesda-style RPG where I have a home base to store everything. I've played them so much that I add some extra challenge and lengthen the game by having my character actually sleep every night, which usually means offloading all my junk before bed. And I'll inevitably forget to do something like grab my helmet or my stimpacks before running out.
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Gort posted:Yeah, all of the elder scrolls just reads like they converted some guy's old D&D campaign. "I wanna play a cat boy" "OK, you can play a cat boy" "Where are cat boys from" "Er... they're from... elsewhere?" You know they did, right? It was converted from a DnD campaign.
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Cantorsdust posted:You know they did, right? It was converted from a DnD campaign. Oh, I wasn't aware. Is there more on this somewhere?
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chiasaur11 posted:You know there's a third option, right? Okay, but do I still get his gun?
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Cantorsdust posted:You know they did, right? It was converted from a DnD campaign. I think JE Sawyer (ropekid is his username here) said that New Vegas also started like this. It was a Fallout tabletop game the former developers were playing, and when Obsidian got the opportunity to make another Fallout game they just turned the basic skeleton into the game and made the player characters into companions. I think Arcade was Sawyer's character.
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Nasgate posted:Okay, but do I still get his gun? Just call in a Ranger squad on the radio and let the deathclaws eat them.
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Gort posted:Oh, I wasn't aware. Is there more on this somewhere? https://web.archive.org/web/20070509175304/http://www.elderscrolls.com/tenth_anniv/tenth_anniv-arena.htm quote:Arena started, as the name might suggest, as a medieval-style gladiator game. You had a team of fighters and went around the world fighting other teams in each city's arena until you became grand champion in the Imperial City.
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chiasaur11 posted:You know there's a third option, right? Holy poo poo!
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Holy poo poo! He gets different ending slides, too; one of them he becomes a senator by campaigning against Oliver and Kimball's horseshit.
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You can also tell Hanlon that Caesar has a tumour once you find that out and he realizes his waiting campaign might not need to wait much longer.
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It's a shame removing Caesar's tumor requires doing a lot of Legion quests, because IMO the best Mojave end-state would be Caesar surviving, Legate Lanius dying, New Vegas kept independent but not under House. Caesar heads back to Arizona and keeps the peace there, Lanius isn't around to take over when Caesar dies of old age, NCR isn't devastated nor granted a martyr by Kimball dying, NCR war effort is curbed which kills Kimballs attempt to draw attention away from corruption, and New Vegas remains a demilitarized checkpoint between all comers. I do like that saving Caesar requires nine luck though, it's the writer outright telling you "this is an abnormal deviation from the realistic outcome for this story, but if that's really what you want..."
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Neurolimal posted:It's a shame removing Caesar's tumor requires doing a lot of Legion quests, because IMO the best Mojave end-state would be Caesar surviving, Legate Lanius dying, New Vegas kept independent but not under House. You can still save Caesar legitimately with medical skill. They just also let you do it if you’re obscenely lucky.
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chitoryu12 posted:You can still save Caesar legitimately with medical skill. They just also let you do it if you’re obscenely lucky. Derp, I remembered it as requiring both.
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Neurolimal posted:It's a shame removing Caesar's tumor requires doing a lot of Legion quests, because IMO the best Mojave end-state would be Caesar surviving, Legate Lanius dying, New Vegas kept independent but not under House. Who are you to doubt Mr. House? 
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Yeah, you can get Hanlon's good Senator ending by letting him live and helping out House/going independent.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I mean, nothing you're saying is wrong, but I still like the guy. Doesn't mean I won't kill him, doesn't mean I don't think he deserves to be killed (the game makes it clear he's been doing many bad things for a very long time), but I still kind of wish it wasn't that way. I found myself liking him too, to be honest. That's why I think he's a well-written sociopath. Video game monsters like that tend to be bloodthirsty madmen who choose the least moral option in every situation by default. If he went by video game sociopath logic he would have tried to fight the people that screwed him over and probably died in the process. Real sociopaths generally act more or less like Gage. As much as he wanted revenge he realized it wouldn't happen so he just shrugged and left it at that. When he's talking to you before and after the Gauntlet he sounds like he just wants to help you out of this terrible situation you're in even though it's entirely his fault you're there in the first place. Then he uses you to get the heat off of him, get rid of Colter, and set himself up to be second in command to a badass raider lord with a mountain of caps. He's your pal as long as you're useful. Even then you're still a tool for his means and nothing else. I kind of wonder if he was written that way on purpose or if it was purely accidental. Despite being a hideous monster he actually is pretty likable. The way he talks makes him sound almost safe to be around.
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im really torn on which raider groups to help out most in nuka world. i know the disciples give the worst rewards, but they're also cooler looking than the other two. the pack are ok, but the operators are so friggin corny. they looked rad from a distance, but they wear pinstripe suits with metal armour with friggin metal bowties welded on. its so bad. i've always disliked that really corny element of fallout. people clown on bethesda a lot about it, but man, fallout 2 was corny as hell too. so was new vegas in a lot of ways, as much as I love it. 20s gangster poo poo, talking deathclaws, stuff that bugged me at the time but i cant remember while writing this friggin post
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