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I can’t believe musky has created something that has encouraged people to submit VINs found in the wild to a tracker in some kind of super autistic scavenger hunt
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movax posted:I can’t believe musky has created something that has encouraged people to submit VINs found in the wild to a tracker in some kind of super autistic scavenger hunt
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Sep 4, 2018 01:40
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mystes posted:They could make a whole Tesla children's puzzle book. "Can you spot all 10 defects in this car?" and is it one of those hosed up ones where they tell you there are 10 but really there are more and then you get yelled at as a child for not being thorough and detail orientated enough?
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Sep 4, 2018 01:45
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i am normal
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Sep 4, 2018 01:45
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uhh hmm.
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Sep 4, 2018 01:47
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I like "bazingas" as a derogatory term for the kind of fake turbonerd who joins the grimes' boyfriend cult bïmes' cöyfrïend grült
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Sep 4, 2018 01:51
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movax posted:and is it one of those hosed up ones where they tell you there are 10 but really there are more and then you get yelled at as a child for not being thorough and detail orientated enough? lmao if you didn't grow up thinking everyone was lying to you about everything all the time. trust no 1
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Sep 4, 2018 02:06
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ol qwerty bastard posted:batteries made by literally harvesting the hearts of orphan children, but after hearing that they can get two extra hours on their phone before charging, people will convince themselves that it's actually good because you know lithium mines used slave labour and the orphans are killed humanely and it's 100% environmentally sustainable Those Who Swipe Left on Omelas
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Sep 4, 2018 02:20
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infernal machines posted:lmao if you didn't grow up thinking everyone was lying to you about everything all the time. why should i believe you? 
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Sep 4, 2018 02:20
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infernal machines posted:lmao if you didn't grow up thinking everyone was lying to you about everything all the time.
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Sep 4, 2018 02:21
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FMguru posted:in fact, op, im lying to you now President Beep posted:why should i believe you?
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Sep 4, 2018 02:24
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President Beep posted:right, i get that different fields mean different things, but at some point I think it’s common to have a unique unit number. having that be sequential just seems like common sense. otherwise why do agencies look at that data to gauge output numbers? at samsung we intentionally obscured lot numbers and stuff to make it harder to tel which fabs made stuff its all big number and letter sequences that mean nothing until you scan it and connect it to a database.
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Sep 4, 2018 02:54
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so if on the week musky hit 5000 cars made 4300 of them weren't suitable for sale why were they even able to claim the 5000 number? it's not relevant to anything!
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Sep 4, 2018 02:54
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:so if on the week musky hit 5000 cars made 4300 of them weren't suitable for sale why were they even able to claim the 5000 number? it's not relevant to anything! what, you think tesla aint already a criminal operation?
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Sep 4, 2018 03:02
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:so if on the week musky hit 5000 cars made 4300 of them weren't suitable for sale why were they even able to claim the 5000 number? it's not relevant to anything! Pay no attention to the numbers behind the curtain
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Sep 4, 2018 03:04
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:so if on the week musky hit 5000 cars made 4300 of them weren't suitable for sale why were they even able to claim the 5000 number? it's not relevant to anything! because they were "factory gated", which isn't entirely something we just made up, and technically it means we "manufactured" them.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:08
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Elon, Elon! Yes Wall Street! Meeting targets? Yes Wall Street! Telling lies? No Wall Street! Look at these VINs. Ha ha ha!
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Sep 4, 2018 03:08
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:so if on the week musky hit 5000 cars made 4300 of them weren't suitable for sale why were they even able to claim the 5000 number? it's not relevant to anything! because it takes a while for the sec to dot all the i's and get enough evidence to charge criminal securities fraud
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Sep 4, 2018 03:08
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they came off the line, and despite the fact that they're literally a punch line from gung ho, it counts.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:09
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from the grey thread, remember the lots last month that were just vehicles awaiting delivery and totally not unsaleable vehicles? they're still awaiting delivery https://twitter.com/phoennix10/status/1036783888344014848
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Sep 4, 2018 03:13
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Chris Knight posted:resting rich face President Beep posted:obvious, yet...elegant.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:36
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Shifty Pony posted:the basics are easy, the details take a while to iron out. everything like getting battery cooling just right, figuring out exactly how much to heat the batteries in cold weather, perfecting inverter control in all environmental conditions, getting a good transition from purely regenerative braking to mixed hydraulic and regenerative braking, and so on. a car is overall a very hard environment to design for because of just how variable driving is and how much people go by "feel" so everything takes time and a lot of test miles. even so, the irrational exuberance over this is astonishing we have a real obvious example in recent history: toyota, which was first to market with a hybrid drivetrain and enjoyed a major and lasting lead in that department. aside from the relatively boring NiMH battery technology, those O.G. toyota hybrids were a much tougher engineering challenge than pure electric vehicles. all the same braking transition issues, plus managing the ICE, mixing power delivery between the ICE and electric motor(s), etc. iirc modern toyota hybrid drivetrains have something like 20 or 30 distinct operating modes, but to the user it's all invisible. it just feels like "push gas pedal go forward, push brake stop". so, what did that lead get toyota? a lot of sales, yes, but it did not in any way stop other automakers from building their own hybrid drivetrains, and they're still here, shipping product. these high tesla stock valuations seem to be founded on the worst of the musk hype, ie that musky's going to ~disrupt~ the traditional auto industry into oblivion, even though traditionals clearly have the in house expertise needed to respond, and have in fact already begun to do so (the EV charge stations at my $EMPLOYER are usually filled with non-teslas) this mythologizing of the tech lead feels especially weird in light of the fact that tesla's homegrown tech is so very startupy, not anything really solid. like, the battery packs that are still glorified banks of oversized 18650s. yeah maybe that was the right approach to control costs for a startup, but in the long run the money's on battery chemistry and cell design being at least as important as pack management, if not more so. the leads tesla has are all in areas that are relatively straightforward for other companies to catch up on, and they're incredibly vulnerable to being bypassed in the stuff that's actually hard.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:52
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i'm pretty sure a lot of it is based around the idea that autopilot is some magical special sauce that will give them a massive lead in autonomy. you know, rather than the same poo poo everyone else has (or slightly worse) but with all the safeties off and beta features enabled.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:57
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musk keeps telling people bullshit like "all existing model <whatevers> have the sensors for full autonomous driving", and making claims about coast to coast autonomous trips in the immediate future (or near past at this point), and the FTC isn't crawling up his rear end over it, so maybe it seems reasonable they're selling "upgrades" to the full autonomy feature pack now, they just raised the price even. the "car citizen" thread title wasn't a joke
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Sep 4, 2018 04:00
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i don't think you can count on that if there is passion for a particular car, there is always a way. people don't always do things purely because they are lucrative. i mean, you mention the SM, and there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc65XxEFk1w in one of the most recent videos he cracks his SM's headlamp glass while trying to remove it in order to re-chrome the reflector, but was able to find a reproduction part. so yes, even for something as rare and obscure in the NA market as the citroen SM, there are people making and selling parts, and a lovable, crazy, and poor albertan car hoarder is probably gonna be able to do a reasonable restoration job on his SM by cannibalizing parts cars and spending money on the occasional repro part he can't otherwise find. also, even if tesla shut down tomorrow, and everyone knew they weren't coming back, their parts suppliers would not immediately shut production down. first, they'd crunch numbers to figure out how many parts it would make sense to manufacture and stockpile for the future repair market, then they'd do that, then they'd do things they couldn't take back, like scrapping fixtures and so forth. in short, we are doomed to see that goofy T logo on the road for a long time to come
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tesla genuinely has a lead in integrated automotive electronics and processing like everybody else buys a subsystems and controllers from suppliers which allows them to scale well but it means you have a million lovely controllers hanging off the can bus but as I understand it tesla has integrated all that into 3-4 central controllers which leads to cost savings and more control and flexibility don't think many oems could do the brake fix OTA but then again none of them would need to
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Malcolm XML posted:don't think many oems could do the brake fix OTA but then again none of them would need to there's some solid reasons why you do not want an internet connected device to be able reflash your ABS firmware OTA the fact that it's being done by a company that allegedly turned of certificate checking for their back end network should also be a glaring red flag
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Sep 4, 2018 04:07
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lmao. this guy is canadian as gently caress
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infernal machines posted:lmao. this guy is canadian as gently caress hell yeah he owns
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Sep 4, 2018 04:21
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oh btw i went to visit a friend recently and my drive took me through the fremont warm springs district, aka tesla factory country. from 880 and the 262 (misison) offramp, i saw a ton of car carriers full of teslas parked up on fremont's industrial backroads. i mentioned this to my friend, and they told me a bunch of the unoccupied industrial/office buildings in the area have had their vacant parking lots taken over as open air tesla rework stations i know, it's stuff that's come up in the thread before, but it's one thing hearing about it and another seeing the results of the dysfunction up close
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Sep 4, 2018 04:41
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back when I was with a company that worked with VIN data from dealer lots we found a few repeats from (iirc) Ferrari. like from different years and maybe also models? it's been a while but manufacturers have considerable freedom with them
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prisoner of waffles posted:I like "bazingas" as a derogatory term for the kind of fake turbonerd who joins the grimes' boyfriend cult me too
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Sep 4, 2018 06:39
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Malcolm XML posted:tesla genuinely has a lead in integrated automotive electronics and processing lol what what tesla is doing is the same r&d that established autogiants are doing except it's public facing. they're doing product testing as a part of the buying experience. it's not innovative, it's wasteful and dumb.
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Sep 4, 2018 07:48
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chinese electric vehicle company has billion dollar US IPO https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-chinese-tesla-rival-launches-1-3-billion-u-s-ipo-1535519800
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muckswirler posted:lol what I don't see any other auto oems doing tesla style vcfront vcleft vcright despite it being clearly better and cheaper they might be a meme company but there are some diamonds in that shitpile
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Sep 4, 2018 15:29
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Malcolm XML posted:they might be a meme company but there are some diamonds in that shitpile 
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Malcolm XML posted:I don't see any other auto oems doing tesla style vcfront vcleft vcright despite it being clearly better and cheaper in the sense that there are probably a few married women who work in the plant, and so there will be diamonds in the charred wreckage that consumes the factory and everyone in it
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Sep 4, 2018 16:47
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evilweasel posted:in the sense that there are probably a few married women who work in the plant, and so there will be diamonds in the charred wreckage that consumes the factory and everyone in it Preferably it would be emeralds though.
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Sep 4, 2018 16:52
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FAUXTON posted:Preferably it would be Rearden Metal though.
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fermun posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4CFiuR3tQ lol its because expensive cars are loaded with poorly engineered, frail gadgetry and the rich are already accustomed to them failing constantly and in the most expensive way possible
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