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Proteus Jones posted:It’s even stupider. Elon ripped up the spur. Tesla owns the land and the spur. Well, *owned* the spur. When it existed. Nope. I'm like 90% sure the story went Union Pacific heads went into a meeting with Elon, he tried to threaten them into some idiotic deal by saying his e-trucks are gonna make railway obsolete, they said "cool story, bye." and ripped up the spur. Elon couldn't have ripped it out because *he didn't own it, nor the land*. It was UP's.
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Proteus Jones posted:It’s even stupider. Elon ripped up the spur. Tesla owns the land and the spur. Well, *owned* the spur. When it existed. A automotive plant without rail accesses is like...well, a lot of other things Musk has done When the plant was called NUMMI, used UAW union workers and it made Toyotas and rebadges for GM, it was a thousand times as efficient The Pontiac Vibe: way beyond Tesla's league
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the galaxy brain conspiracy theory would be that elon destroyed the rail spur deliberately to reduce the resale value of the factory and make a company-liquidating margin call from investors less appealing.
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orcinus posted:Nope. I'm like 90% sure the story went Union Pacific heads went into a meeting with Elon, he tried to threaten them into some idiotic deal by saying his e-trucks are gonna make railway obsolete, they said "cool story, bye." and ripped up the spur. Wasn't he also several million dollars behind in payments to the railroad at that point? He wanted the debt restructured with insanely dumb terms, and the railroad balked. I think it was right after Tesla's definitely-not-bleeding-cash strategy of asking for refunds from suppliers.
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orcinus posted:Douchebaggery of the highest order: I like how near the end it basically all-but-states that the high-level OSHA guys who previously visited were obviously just Tesla/Musk fans who had probably decided to clear the company before even investigating it, ending with the ice-burn of one guy saying "he doesn't believe" a situation would happen that totally did happen.
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nah they were *former* OSHA guys that were hired as safety consultants at tesla, which is one of those things where they're given 200 grand a year to call their buddies back at real OSHA to tell them to go easy on them. It's a long form bribe
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Ytlaya posted:I like how near the end it basically all-but-states that the high-level OSHA guys who previously visited were obviously just Tesla/Musk fans who had probably decided to clear the company before even investigating it, ending with the ice-burn of one guy saying "he doesn't believe" a situation would happen that totally did happen. I was honestly surprised they didn't just say "we love this car"
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rex rabidorum vires posted:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOLLLLLLLYYYyyyyy shiiittttt. Yeah sure just piss off a 150 year old institution. That's a fantastic plan. Never mind the millions of dollars of damage that you've done and probably 10+ million dollars in re-sale destroyed for what I can only assume was dumb as poo poo. I've also seen photos of the haulers and dry vans which is pretty much the most expensive way to transport an automobile that you could think of. poo poo they could 20ft intermodal it and even with the dray to the rail head and the unloading at destination would probably be ahead of the dry van across country. not only the most expensive, but also super inefficient from a "green tech" company point of view. Those 10-11 car haulers only get like 5mpg due to the combination of weight and drag
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this isn't uncommon on a lot of newer cars. my 2016 miata was under 60 microns in a few areas; however, mazda doesn't have paint booths in the middle of the parking lot.
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orcinus posted:Nope. I'm like 90% sure the story went Union Pacific heads went into a meeting with Elon, he tried to threaten them into some idiotic deal by saying his e-trucks are gonna make railway obsolete, they said "cool story, bye." and ripped up the spur. Huh, I could have sworn I heard the other way, but seeing as I can’t find anything to support that you are most likely correct.
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Phone posted:this isn't uncommon on a lot of newer cars. my 2016 miata was under 60 microns in a few areas; however, mazda doesn't have paint booths in the middle of the parking lot. my 2016 Miata has really scratchable paint
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Tunicate posted:Musk wanted to pay the railroad in exposure lol but just think of how a business with a complete monopoly on its service could benefit from an increased market presence
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Waffle House posted:This thread is a cornucopia of expertise. a cornucopia of expert coprophagia
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bring back old gbs posted:here's a pic of a guy disassembling a model S battery using the patented Tesla Sawzall technique yeh the photo doesn't include a grinning mug of whoever caused that mess
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there's those skinny books that were advertised in like, sky mall, that sounded like super abridged books made for ~super smart executives~ that turned a few days of reading into like less than an hour the people who ordered [and now prolly still order] those things then said they read a zillion books a day while working 240 hours a week while things are slow yeh
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lol I got looking and welllllll this is super endearing  https://www.mytotalretail.com/article/skymall-the-ultimate-catalog-business-model-21182/all/ nov 1 2000 "how can it fail???" welp 
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to be fair, skymall usually has real good stock market recommendations
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Krankenstyle posted:to be fair, skymall usually has real good stock market recommendations Anything that stays away from drawing lines on a price graph is going to at least do all right.
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FAUXTON posted:Anything that stays away from drawing lines on a price graph is going to at least do all right. I've seen that a lot lately and still got no loving clue what are they meant to mean, is it some form of tea leaf fortune telling?
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Teal posted:I've seen that a lot lately and still got no loving clue what are they meant to mean, is it some form of tea leaf fortune telling? I think it's just human brain finding a pattern and then drawing that and therefore number go up.
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FAUXTON posted:Anything that stays away from drawing lines on a price graph is going to at least do all right.  prolly were better times to buy
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i wonder if anyone on that flight bought some weird poo poo from hammacherher schlimmer and then their eventual relative widower got some of the goofiest poo poo delivered via forklifts six to eight weeks later
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Spergin Morlock posted:not only the most expensive, but also super inefficient from a "green tech" company point of view. Those 10-11 car haulers only get like 5mpg due to the combination of weight and drag just think what theyd get without recessed door handles bub 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Diesel electric. heh, Elon was already ahead of the game with his Diesel Octopus. checkmate, tslaqailures 
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lol https://twitter.com/markbspiegel/status/1063792018625826816
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Not really that weird, tbh. Seen execs do that a lot for the most mundane reasons (needed money for house renovation, had to pay off the latest shipment of slaves, had to buy a plane). Unrelated: 
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they're vape pen batteries, sewer duck
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Baloogan posted:wait a tesla fuel tank is just a pile of what look like AA batteries ? Yeah, Elon (pbuh) invented the AA battery
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Unless my scale was off, those looked like Cs.
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They’re 2170s if from Model 3 - 21 mm radius x 70 mm. So thinner than a D, but thicker than a vape pen battery. If they’re from an S or X it’s an 18650 (18 x 65mm), i.e. exactly what you’d find in a vape pen.
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Baloogan posted:wait a tesla fuel tank is just a pile of what look like AA batteries ? o u got quite a few fun facts to discover itt duck lmao
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orcinus posted:Not really that weird, tbh. Seen execs do that a lot for the most mundane reasons (needed money for house renovation, had to pay off the latest shipment of slaves, had to buy a plane).
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isn't that completely insane? i thought it was one big battery
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Baloogan posted:isn't that completely insane? i thought it was one big battery they're lithium ion 18650 cells. you can find them in your laptop battery, too:  the advantage to tesla is that these things are insanely common, so it's vastly cheaper to just buy tons of these rather than try to roll their own solution.
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Baloogan posted:isn't that completely insane? i thought it was one big battery oh look at mr big shot "knows how to properly design a battery for maximum energy density" over here. (you need about 10-12 batteries in series to get the voltage up to the 400V or so that is most efficient, but the best thing to do is to stack a dozen big rectangular cells instead of a bajillion vape batteries)
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"Easy = possible, hard = not possible" is correct, so how the gently caress is Musk so goddamn incorrect with anything he thinks, says or does?
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Concerned Citizen posted:they're lithium ion 18650 cells. you can find them in your laptop battery, too: that argument went out the door when they built a plant to make batteries to their own specification and started using the entire capacity of that plant for their zip-zap cars.
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orcinus posted:Not really that weird, tbh. Seen execs do that a lot for the most mundane reasons (needed money for house renovation, had to pay off the latest shipment of slaves, had to buy a plane). Huh, yeah, that's true. He's not concerned about paychecks or implementation problems. I wonder what his secret is 
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