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Deteriorata posted:Sedans are also much quieter due to the isolated passenger compartment. Duct tape is an excellent sound limiting device.
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CannonFodder posted:Duct tape is an excellent sound limiting device. Wrap all the way around. A strip on the front only works in the movies.
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Powershift posted:Volvo says they'll have a "Polestar 2" out this year with 400hp and a 300 mile range, looking like the 40.2 concept. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25737679/polestar-2-volvo-confirmed-2020/ Do any photos of even a hollow car show mock-up exist of these things, or is it just slightly/significantly worse than GT6 photo mode quality renders?
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Finger Prince posted:Do any photos of even a hollow car show mock-up exist of these things, or is it just slightly/significantly worse than GT6 photo mode quality renders? It should be on the floor in Detroit next week but will probably still be an empty shell.
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Powershift posted:And Infiniti just released the QX EV concept. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25742810/infiniti-qx-inspiration-electric-crossover/
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There are no official pictures of the Polestar 2 yet other than a teaser shot not posted in this thread.
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Subjunctive posted:Hmm, I hadn’t considered that my S got much noise from the trunk area, but I guess road noise is where the wheels are! I took the back seat cushions out of my 3 series for a week or so while I was rewiring some of my electronics and it's amazing how much those two thin sheets of foam covered in pleather absorbed. I legitimately thought I was having another differential failure until I realized why there was a lot more speed-dependent noise.
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Wibla posted:Can confirm that a model S is scary when going downhill on ice My sister related to me how a few weeks ago she saw a Tesla try to jump the light at an intersection and turn left before she (heading straight) could go through, and the road was snowy and slushy, and it ended up fishtailing onto the sidewalk and landed in a bush. I thought they had better traction control than that? Surely the combination of electric motors and ABS gives you near-instant control over wheelspin.
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Sagebrush posted:My sister related to me how a few weeks ago she saw a Tesla try to jump the light at an intersection and turn left before she (heading straight) could go through, and the road was snowy and slushy, and it ended up fishtailing onto the sidewalk and landed in a bush. no computer system yet invented can beat the stupidity of people 100% of the time
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Sagebrush posted:My sister related to me how a few weeks ago she saw a Tesla try to jump the light at an intersection and turn left before she (heading straight) could go through, and the road was snowy and slushy, and it ended up fishtailing onto the sidewalk and landed in a bush. The computer can easily help you get into trouble which the computer can't get you out of.
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Sagebrush posted:My sister related to me how a few weeks ago she saw a Tesla try to jump the light at an intersection and turn left before she (heading straight) could go through, and the road was snowy and slushy, and it ended up fishtailing onto the sidewalk and landed in a bush. IIRC they’re writing their own TC software now, maybe it’s not very good?
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The first thing I did when I took my Model 3 into a icy/snowy parking lot was to try to get it out of control. The traction control does an amazing job but once you get some decent speed the large mass of the vehicle can be a real problem. The car's regenerative braking acts as a better-than ABS braking solution but you're gonna need a lot of leeway if you want to stop that's for sure.
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I forgot to mention: While my 3 was in the shop, Tesla rented me a 2019 Maxima SV, and unlike the Buick, I really quite liked the car. If there was a EV version of the Maxima I would consider it.
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Sagebrush posted:My sister related to me how a few weeks ago she saw a Tesla try to jump the light at an intersection and turn left before she (heading straight) could go through, and the road was snowy and slushy, and it ended up fishtailing onto the sidewalk and landed in a bush. Long, heavy, high torque RWD vehicle accelerating while turning on a slippery surface... Ye cannae break the laws of physics
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Sagebrush posted:My sister related to me how a few weeks ago she saw a Tesla try to jump the light at an intersection and turn left before she (heading straight) could go through, and the road was snowy and slushy, and it ended up fishtailing onto the sidewalk and landed in a bush. There's only so much the computer can do when faced with a retarded driver.  In general, traction control in the Tesla is pretty goddamn good, but it can easily get you into trouble too. It does a lot of work before ever lighting up that yellow icon, and generally the car feels so planted and stable that you don't realize what's going on until you're out of grip while having to make a correction. Boom, Tesla goes bambi on ice.
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Regen in snow is pretty dangerous, the cars do not manage it well and can lock up the rears (RWD) or all 4 wheels (AWD). It's a smart idea to set Regen to low in those kind of conditions and be mindful of what will happen if you completely release the accelerator. Luckily due to the lack of a battery heater my Model 3 is regen limited much of the time in cold temps anyway.
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sanchez posted:Regen in snow is pretty dangerous, the cars do not manage it well and can lock up the rears (RWD) or all 4 wheels (AWD). It's a smart idea to set Regen to low in those kind of conditions. I've had a good experience with regen on ice, it's similar to engine braking on a motorcycle. As you let off the accelerator, it slows you down gently. Regen braking is a lot easier to manage than using the brake pedal in icy conditions in my opinion.
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Mine came with lilfetime oil changes! But really I use a leaf to offset the fuel my 500 cubic inch ford fiesta uses like most of us do.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I've had a good experience with regen on ice, it's similar to engine braking on a motorcycle. As you let off the accelerator, it slows you down gently. Regen braking is a lot easier to manage than using the brake pedal in icy conditions in my opinion. I'm going to guess it is like riding a motorcycle in snow where the back wheel will effectively lock up (it doesn't lock, the motor just overpowers the rear grip with engine braking) if you come off the throttle too quick.
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BlackMK4 posted:I'm going to guess it is like riding a motorcycle in snow where the back wheel will effectively lock up (it doesn't lock, the motor just overpowers the rear grip with engine braking) if you come off the throttle too quick. I loved engine braking on an SV650 I used to own, the rear end would be all over the place but I'd still be going in the direction my front wheel's pointed. It's the same with regen in the ice. I don't know what the experience would be like with AWD, though.
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The anti-spin on EVs can modulate the regen just like ABS. e: But I don't know how well it's implemented across all cars
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I loved engine braking on an SV650 I used to own, the rear end would be all over the place but I'd still be going in the direction my front wheel's pointed. It's the same with regen in the ice. I don't know what the experience would be like with AWD, though. Yeah, it is a little bit different in the snow where you can easily wash the front, rather than just letting the rear dance a little bit as the slipper clutch (or your clutch fanning) does its work
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Is that supposed to be the Sky Tower? With the antenna shortened like that it looks a lot more like the Space Needle, in Seattle.
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Charles posted:Is that supposed to be the Sky Tower? With the antenna shortened like that it looks a lot more like the Space Needle, in Seattle. It wouldn't fit on the license plate.
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ratbert90 posted:I forgot to mention: While my 3 was in the shop, Tesla rented me a 2019 Maxima SV, and unlike the Buick, I really quite liked the car. If there was a EV version of the Maxima I would consider it. Haha, as if Nissan will ever ship another EV. Leaf now, Leaf forever, no upgrades or changes. Charles posted:Is that supposed to be the Sky Tower? With the antenna shortened like that it looks a lot more like the Space Needle, in Seattle. Yes, I'm told this is in Hunters Plaza, Auckland. EDIT: If there actual Kiwis in this thread please enjoy this video from your fellow countryman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhTFnIRreLg
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Guys Toyota might be real dumb:quote:https://electrek.co/2019/01/07/toyota-tesla-lead-shuns-all-electric-electrified-2025/ Ulf fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Weird, I thought they had turned. I remember in the 90s or early 00s hearing about Toyota's management genius and how they made 50-year plans etc. By now I think everyone agrees that a 50-year plan is just dumb. Things change, plans go sour, old ideas stop being relevant. Perhaps they are just doggedly sticking to their 50-year plan in their that stoic Japanese way? Perhaps the internal rebellion has been quelled?
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Ulf posted:Guys Toyota might be real dumb: It depends on what they’re calling the market. If it’s 4-6% of all vehicles out there, it’s a possibility. People keep their cars a lot longer, and if we’re heading to a recession doubly so. If they’re saying the “market” as in, new vehicle purchase, I agree.
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Toyota may be referring to the global market and considering the additional cost of EV compared to ICE, the market shares globally are likely much lower than in markets like US, Norway, Germany etc. Europe is also a relatively weak market for Toyota.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:
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Motorcycle EV Nerds, behold! The Harley-Davidson LiveWire specs are here! quote:The all-electric LiveWire will apparently hit 60 from a stop in 3.5 seconds. There is no clutch and no gear shifting, which will definitely make riding an extremely different experience. And riders will be able to slow down using the power regeneration mode in addition to the brakes. Brilliant! quote:Then we get to the range. Harley estimates 110 miles of urban roads on a single charge, which... isn’t great. Oh well, I mean hey, it’s uh, perfect for riding to the bar and back. I mean, they might sell some to the commuter crow- quote:Let’s just get it out of the way first. The bike’s MSRP comes to $29,799.  RIP Harley, it’s been a good run. May your assets end up on cheap scoots, so I can buy one and cry many manly American Freedom Tears.
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I think it must be a global number. It's pessimistic, but there are a couple things that probably factor in to the decision: 1. Toyota has a ton of global emerging market exposure where EV adoption rates are going to be lower. 2. If you do not strongly believe in a true light/medium duty truck EV, that caps US market share at a much lower number. 3. If you do not believe that the cost to produce an EV can be brought down significantly, that also caps US market share at a much lower number, especially considering that any future Toyota EV is probably going to be competing in the Toyota end of the market, not Lexus. 4. Customers at the lower end of the market with higher single vehicle dependency are more risk averse, and adoption rates may be inherently lower as a result. 5. Toyota may be betting on PHEV to capture more market share with improvements in PHEV tech I still think that 6% in 2029 is awfully low, but you can figure out a chain of reasoning that leads to that number. I can talk myself in to 1, maybe 2, and 4. The rest I doubt. The rapid growth in EV sales as a percentage of total vehicle sales is predicated in large part on some big cost reductions in EV manufacturing, which are not 100% certain.
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Wibla posted:There's only so much the computer can do when faced with a retarded driver. There was one instance of their Autopilot system regaining control after hitting black ice: https://electrek.co/2019/01/05/tesla-autopilot-control-sliding-ice-video/ If they could get their vision system to recognize objects through rain and snow, they just might possibly have an outside chance at being first to market with a self-driving car which isn't restricted to perfect weather. sanchez posted:Regen in snow is pretty dangerous, the cars do not manage it well and can lock up the rears (RWD) or all 4 wheels (AWD). It's a smart idea to set Regen to low in those kind of conditions and be mindful of what will happen if you completely release the accelerator. That reminds me of how so many future-car concepts have involved individual wheel motors - this sounds like a practical use for that sort of feature.
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I think the Toyota guy was saying with gas prices under $2 EV don't make sense when you can buy a 40 mpg civic for 18k. He has a point but US consumers don't act rationally.
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I just wish people had more reason to switch than gas savings. Non-zero emissions cars should be ostracized as dirty and harmful, much like tobacco.
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As someone who lurks the hell out of this thread because I'm generally interested in the tech and am planning on working an EV in as my regular commuter within the next year... I think that's a pretty crappy opinion. There's plenty of people who have life requirements that are incompatible with the current EV market either due to cost, available infrastructure in their region. Why not use the carrot instead of the stick of shame on those that EVs don't currently work for? It's not even remotely comparable to tobacco which is a voluntary action..
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RZA Encryption posted:I just wish people had more reason to switch than gas savings. There's also the fact that you're leaving out most of the parts of a gas car that commonly require service. This could potentially have quite an impact on total cost of ownership (provided you;re not dealing with a luxury brand for which replacement parts are crazy expensive), except not many people seem to talk about that.
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