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my kinda ape posted:Cav's pistol does 99 damage at that range so she got lucky and hit you twice in the hand. Her pistol is kind of bullshit tbh. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it needs nerfed/redesigned but it can definitely be frustrating to go up against. the biggest problem with cav is that her smg+extended barrel has insane range and practically no recoil so she can engage people from anywhere when really she should be forced to sneak up on everyone
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Thief posted:the biggest problem with cav is that her smg+extended barrel has insane range and practically no recoil so she can engage people from anywhere when really she should be forced to sneak up on everyone That's actually a good point - if the smg was ineffective, then she'd be forced into close range since the pistol has such strong ranged falloff, lacks good long range sights, and only causes injuries so it can be hard to follow up in some cases.
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tomdidiot posted:Hostage is just fundamentally broken. You shoot the hostage 3 times with most defender SMGs and they're basically almost dead. A bad spray, or even a misthrown flashbang can down them (If you've used Bandit/Cav), which really cuts the timer down for the other team. I was being facetious, we do it just for comedy.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Any goons who want to be seige buddies with a newer player? I've put in 25 hours. I'm PST but usually play after 9 or 10 I just started this on PS4 and I'm incredibly bad at it, but it's a lot of fun. I'll add you (in_disgust) this week, maybe if there's a goon ps4 group someone could add me to that too? I can't stress how bad I am at this video game, I really need to get back into PC gaming.
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Captainicus posted:That's actually a good point - if the smg was ineffective, then she'd be forced into close range since the pistol has such strong ranged falloff, lacks good long range sights, and only causes injuries so it can be hard to follow up in some cases. were you two in charge of the ela nerf because lol
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The best part of hostage is running your drone around the hostage in the prep phase and hoping that the defenders kill the hostage while trying to shoot the drone. It has happened exactly once for me.
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Wooper posted:were you two in charge of the ela nerf because lol do elaborate 
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Thief posted:do elaborate Trying to fix a balance problem with an operator by tweaking other aspects of them instead of the direct cause of the problem is dumb and doesn't work well at all. For instance Ela having a crazy SMG with 50 round mags, a high ROF, and good accuracy. Instead of just reducing the magazine size to 30 or something they removed one of her meh gadgets and gave her worse secondary gadgets. That didn't actually do anything to alleviate the problem besides making her shittier in other ways. They finally gave her 40 round mags and nerfed the SMG accuracy a bit while leaving the other nerfs. Same thing happened with Blackbeard. Turns out having an operator who can't be headshot in a game that's about getting headshots and peeking with just your head visible is insanely strong but instead of nerfing the shield they made him super slow and nerfed the gently caress out of his guns. That still didn't fix the problem until they made his shield really, really weak and then they still kept the nerfs to his guns and speed. If cav's pistol design is frustrating to play against then nerfing her SMG isn't going to alleviate that at all. It's just going to make her a shittier character to play while retaining the thing that's frustrating to play against.
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Iron Lung posted:I just started this on PS4 and I'm incredibly bad at it, but it's a lot of fun. I'll add you (in_disgust) this week, maybe if there's a goon ps4 group someone could add me to that too? I can't stress how bad I am at this video game, I really need to get back into PC gaming. Yeah dude feel free. I'll probably be playing ranked for the time being, but let me know when you unlock that.
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my kinda ape posted:Trying to fix a balance problem with an operator by tweaking other aspects of them instead of the direct cause of the problem is dumb and doesn't work well at all. Please get hired at Ubi as Chief Desk Slammer because I've never seen anyone articulate this quite so well.
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except the problem with cav isn't her pistol though? its her versatility at extreme range that makes her annoying to counter because she can disengage and flank from angles that should only make sense when playing against someone like jager/vigil her entire character is clearly meant to represent an up-close and personal ambusher. traditionally sneaky-type rogues are the very best at this in whatever features them and are a terror to 1v1 giving her the top pistol in the game is fitting for this because Ubi obviously doesn't want a melee only or even pistol only character. her secondary may as well be her primary. range on the pistol is a non-issue simply because of its basic function as a gadget that downs ppl before killing them. the easiest way to counter cav is to simply keep her at range regardless of this. idk who is sincerely dying to being Luison sniped that isn't asking for it by standing in a terrible place if people are afraid to engage her alone then i think she is working very much as intended. teams that group up into at least pairs have no problem killing the average Cav. its the good ones that repeatedly play ranged dps effectively with the SMG while waiting for ideal ambushes that are the most annoying to deal with in regards to her as a whole. e: if you see a competent cav sniping with the pistol rather than their smg then you can almost always assume they're running the shotgun because there isn't much reason to do this otherwise Thief fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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I honestly don't see any cavs sniping more than any other character and certainly not anywhere near as much as the defenders who are actually good at sniping (Jager/vigil/doc/rook). The only time I can remember getting sniped by cav at all was with when she instantly downed me with her pistol from the third floor of the white building on Kanal while I was on the roof of the brick building. It's probably because her SMG does not stand out in any way from any of the guns in the game and can be described as average at best. If it's happening to you a lot then uh, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
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Let's not pretend cav peaking does not happen. She's already away from site so there's no reason not to try.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Let's not pretend cav peaking does not happen. She's already away from site so there's no reason not to try. Giving away your location is a pretty good reason not to try. And I said it happens but no more than any other character because her guns are not particularly good at that sort of thing.
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I'm saying it happens more than with other characters. Giving away your location in the first 10-15 seconds is worth a kill any day
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Iron Lung posted:I just started this on PS4 and I'm incredibly bad at it, but it's a lot of fun. I'll add you (in_disgust) this week, maybe if there's a goon ps4 group someone could add me to that too? I can't stress how bad I am at this video game, I really need to get back into PC gaming. I’ll add you, too. Been rotating this game back into the mix with BF and Blackout. I’ll play casual with ya until you can play ranked.
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my kinda ape posted:Trying to fix a balance problem with an operator by tweaking other aspects of them instead of the direct cause of the problem is dumb and doesn't work well at all. As a Blackbeard main, this is just making me want BB to have his lovely nerfs reverted even more. It's been so long since he was good, dammit!  But yeah, I think Cav's pistol should do a lot less damage to arms and legs regardless of range, (and should also do practically nothing to Blackbeard's supposed bullet-resistant shield, for that matter) so that although it's still a highly potent weapon at close range, you can't either A) spam-shoot at someone and down them by hitting them in the arm, or B) down shield operators by shooting their hand once or twice. Just so it requires a little bit of thought as to where you place your shots, in order for it to be amazingly effective. I dunno, it might just be me who thinks a slight tweak like this could make a difference.
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the only downside to Cav's SMG is that it has a very distinct sound which tells everyone who and where she is but Cav peeks and runouts happen way more often than even rook/doc/echo acog fuckery with an extended barrel her smg is easily better for spawnpeeking than characters like valk/alibi who can specialize in it. idk the raw dps numbers because it has more to do with recoil since the choice is between that and a suppressor Major Isoor posted:I dunno, it might just be me who thinks a slight tweak like this could make a difference. in all likelihood that thing is going to be tweaked several times before they decide to finally nerf it slightly. ideally it would sit somewhere between here and Skull Rain but they could copy/paste the pre-buff Luision back into the game and it would still make people mad because they died waltzing into her roam zone
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Is the defender with an lmg and some laser camera drone not any good? Never see him played.
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BadLlama posted:Is the defender with an lmg and some laser camera drone not any good? Never see him played. Maestro? He fuckin' rules
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El Jebus posted:I’ll add you, too. Been rotating this game back into the mix with BF and Blackout. I’ll play casual with ya until you can play ranked. Oh, poo poo, I think I got a friend request from you. I'll accept it tonight. I thought it was a pubbie at first because I had just played a ranked round with a bunch of screaming 8 year olds. 
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Maestro? He fuckin' rules Hey, do you play on PS4 Megaman? I think we might play some of the same games.
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BadLlama posted:Is the defender with an lmg and some laser camera drone not any good? Never see him played. ability wise Maestro is like playing a weirdly stiff hybrid between echo/tachanka but his guns are so cool that people often love him just for that alone. for a while the real reason some goons played him was because his lmg was surprisingly accurate when hipfiring. supposedly this was nerfed but it wouldn't surprise me if you can still do this at shotgun ranges and probably worth a try. the funniest part of it all is that it gets an acog my favorite thing about the drones is that they can be useful to zap and destroy clueless breach charges. they don't last long against good players though so you have to learn how to hide them in weird places. this is why the shotgun pistol is so good because it lets you open up sneaky sightlines through walls/floors that let your drone protect stuff like hatches from above mostly he's effective at harassing an attacker's push if he sets up at a bottleneck and for some reason they have no way to destroy his evil eyes. he can juggle between zapping them in the butt and then shooting back in person from both sides and if timed correctly it is extremely annoying. though most maestros just spam the laser until someone kills it while hoping it caused enough damage to win the following shootout. he's really good if you like to hang back for most of the round then try to steamroll anyone that survived. the LMG has enough bullets to survive a slopper attacker reload. worst case scenario is your entire team died and you get to play Alamo with a LMG
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my kinda ape posted:Trying to fix a balance problem with an operator by tweaking other aspects of them instead of the direct cause of the problem is dumb and doesn't work well at all. Yeah, fair enough, I see where you are coming from. I think I might slightly disagree and you can remove side aspects from a character to adjust them, even if it just usually doesn't work out. For example, Ying lost smoke, which can be a minor influence when you are playing Ying but a really annoying factor when you combo Ying + Glaz. The problem there could be solved and still have kept both characters intact. A lot of people I've seen in moba communities absolutely hate nerfing any individual defining strong aspect of a character, saying it ruins them completely and why not just weaken them in others ways but leave their 'identity' intact? I don't think that quite translates to a different genre, though. For me, at least, the most frustrating part of playing against cav is that I am very much discouraged to go solo, but she has enough bullets to easily take down multiple people from a surprise attack and turn the entire game around  Also she's super good against shields who I play a lot
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it sucks that blitz's shield is glitchy but he dies to poo poo like op's vid all the time even if you're sneezing a Benelli from soft blanketting distances. whenever i watch the killcam after dying to poo poo like this it will usually show my entire shoulder exposed even though from your perspective you're looking at them. maybe cav shouldn't counter blitz because he's got big hands and a trashcan lid for a shield but attackers are given every tool imaginable to counter her except a Doc stim or Rook armor - right down to the fact that casual mode even spawns pubbies all together in the same spot
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Bronze 1, better than I thought. Matches were even pretty fun except the first, where it was nothing but deliberate TK's the whole time, and the last, where I wound up muting a guy because he died because I wasn't where he wanted me to be and he, presumably a grown-rear end man, wouldn't stop having a shitfit.(we won that match. We won that round, too)
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Played a 9 round game of ranked Hostage and I swear the defenders of either team won 6 of the 9 rounds, and then we randomly got defending for the final round but that basically won us the match. What a lovely mode.
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I'm hooked, been playing for 3-4 hours past 4 nights, even managed to play a couple of matches as a 5-man party with friends last night (I went 9 - 0 k/d in one of those matches  )There's soooo much for me & my friends to learn - we all just bought the game late last week - but that process is drat satisfying. Staying calm when attacked and trying to find good sightlines and stuff... that's the stuff.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Played a 9 round game of ranked Hostage and I swear the defenders of either team won 6 of the 9 rounds, and then we randomly got defending for the final round but that basically won us the match. What a lovely mode. It would be better if it worked like Terrorist Hunt where there was only one spot on the map at a time where you could bring the hostage and you had to wait out the timer even when you do get them there. But fixing fundemental problems with gamemodes other than Bomb doesn't get people buying Clancy bux so they will never do it 
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I'm finally ranked! drat, ranked mode is serious business. People really know their poo poo.
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using cav's pistol a lot really makes you hate the invulnerability animations while players are dropping to the ground if you're going for kills alone
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Party Plane Jones posted:using cav's pistol a lot really makes you hate the invulnerability animations while players are dropping to the ground if you're going for kills alone Nah dude, Doc's and Zofias iframes when getting up are the worst.
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I am dumb, wrong thread.
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The Shame Boy posted:It would be better if it worked like Terrorist Hunt where there was only one spot on the map at a time where you could bring the hostage and you had to wait out the timer even when you do get them there. I like how your response to "defenders always win hostage" is "they should make it much, much harder for the attackers"
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Party Plane Jones posted:using cav's pistol a lot really makes you hate the invulnerability animations while players are dropping to the ground if you're going for kills alone Isn't there some sorcery about that thing depending on wether or not you have silent walk activated?
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After finally abandoning casual after 2 factor hit I can say that Ranked is loving amazing, I no longer get people on my team who seem to be playing with oven mitts on. But holy poo poo, it feels super horrible to lose to the timer.
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I feel like I've finally started to improve a bit, like I'm getting some map knowledge and my shooting is marginally better. I got MVP twice today which is ultra rare for me. Playing random operators has helped me I think.
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AppleDan posted:After finally abandoning casual after 2 factor hit I can say that Ranked is loving amazing, I no longer get people on my team who seem to be playing with oven mitts on. But holy poo poo, it feels super horrible to lose to the timer. Yeah, I think that's my main issue. There are sometimes twice as many rounds but they feel half as long even though it's just a minute. I think I actually prefer casual at the moment because ranked feels like so much pressure.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Yeah, I think that's my main issue. There are sometimes twice as many rounds but they feel half as long even though it's just a minute. If it was up to me I would have never left casual but I have had enough. The last few days I was getting turbo idiots who would get capped almost as soon as the round started and by the end you would see that the other team got out completely unscathed. I felt like there was jack goddamn poo poo i could do besides wait to be farmed by IIIIIlllIIllIIIlllIII and the rest of his squad for their daily dopamine hit. It was getting to the point where I would hear a noise, turn around, and get immediately one tapped, a minute later the round would be over. One time I was playin cav like 20 miles from the obj and a ying broke the door down, vaulted the couch i was prone behind, and hipfired me in the head with one shot. In ranked I can actually look at the other team without immediately catching a headshot and I don't feel like the other team immediately knows where I am as soon as they spawn, I feel like I have a CHANCE. I feel like the 2 factor authentication for ranked made it finally playable but at the expense of turning casual into Siege's dumpster.
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