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Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

I'm in Columbus, Ohio, and I'm interested in some places to train BJJ and/or judo. I saw what you guys have posted about session per month pricing, and every gym here except for Gracie does that.

These are the two that really stand out as possibilities:

https://www.ronintrainingcenter.com
https://triumphbjj.com

Which of the two do you think is better, or are both of them solid

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butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master


Smoking Crow posted:

I'm in Columbus, Ohio, and I'm interested in some places to train BJJ and/or judo. I saw what you guys have posted about session per month pricing, and every gym here except for Gracie does that.

These are the two that really stand out as possibilities:

https://www.ronintrainingcenter.com
https://triumphbjj.com

Which of the two do you think is better, or are both of them solid

The first place has a head BJJ instructor with a legit lineage, which is a good sign.

https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/vitor-henrique-gfteam

Whether or not he'll be the one actually running classes is another story.

The instructor at the second place doesn't list his lineage and I couldn't find anything on that from a quick search, which isn't a great sign. All else being equal I'd say the first place looks like the better option.

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.

Smoking Crow posted:

I'm in Columbus, Ohio, and I'm interested in some places to train BJJ and/or judo. I saw what you guys have posted about session per month pricing, and every gym here except for Gracie does that.

These are the two that really stand out as possibilities:

https://www.ronintrainingcenter.com
https://triumphbjj.com

Which of the two do you think is better, or are both of them solid

Ronin is the most established competition school in Columbus IMO--some of the guys from my gym cross-train there and vice versa. Speaking of, if you're in the Dublin area, check out Super System. Really, just do a few classes at each place that interests you to get a feel for them; none of the schools around here should be giving you the hard sell "you must buy a yearlong contract right away" shtick.

Dave Grool
Oct 21, 2008



Grimey Drawer
They both look like they’re worth a visit. Different places can have very different atmospheres , so I’d see which one fits better for you. The best gym for you is the one that’s gonna keep you coming back, not necessarily whose got the best pedigree or whatever

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
FWIW I've heard good things about the Relson Gracie schools in Ohio.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

Dave Grool posted:

They both look like they’re worth a visit. Different places can have very different atmospheres , so I’d see which one fits better for you. The best gym for you is the one that’s gonna keep you coming back, not necessarily whose got the best pedigree or whatever

This^^^

When I first moved to Vancouver, I immediately went to the dojo with the most famous teachers. I got lots of direct coaching and all the stuff that should in theory make it the ideal place, but after a couple of months, I completely lost motivation.
I realized that everyone was (in my opinion) way too serious and no one seemed to enjoy themselves and I had a hard time connected with my peers.
Tried another dojo, and immediately engaged with my peers and decided that that would be my new dojo.
(That I then, after 10 years changed back to the first dojo is another story).
Point is, though, that you should go to the place where you enjoy practicing, as it's far more likely that you'll keep going.

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.

mariooncrack posted:

FWIW I've heard good things about the Relson Gracie schools in Ohio.

That's another good one. I trained there for two years, and my current gym was started by a few instructors from there. They have a very solid beginner's program and a more old-school approach.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
I had my first lesson in Chang-Hon Taekwondo today. I spent one and a half hours getting detailed instruction on how to correctly kick people in the face.

Life is good.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Seen on the internet:

quote:

-Tae Kwon Do: due to increasing circumference around your middle, you lose the ability to touch your toes and often to even see them. You cannot say no to weapons with metallic or glitter paint. You believe hairstyles and fashions reached their pinnacle in 1983

-BJJ: You've developed the lightning fast ability to flop down on the ground upside down anytime someone threatens you or even raises their voices. You own more funny rashguards than ties. You know 30 ways to pass a Spider Guard but have no idea how to defend a punch.

Kung Fu: you lack any ability to cut your hair after you start to go bald - You are the king of the balding ponytail. You also have no ability to use your thumbs for anything, preferring to act like you have stiff mannequin hands. You've also never found the secret technique to defeat your virginity

Wrestling: your head is permanently tilted back 15 degrees to try to make your traps look bigger. A childhood of constant weight cutting made sure you never got taller than 5'4. You think the Bowl (Moe) haircut is the best thing ever

Army Combatives: you passed level 1 so you think you're basically a UFC Fighter

Marine Combatives: you got your tan belt so you think you're basically Rambo

Kali/Escrima: you're ready to pull your weapon and go to prison for 30 years if someone even looks at you wrong. You bring up how many knives you have on you at all times in even the most casual conversation.

Gracie Combatives: You've trained. for 14 months and can't resist criticizing "Sport" Black Belts with 20 years of experience. You've also been running your own school for 9 of those 14 months. Your gis are spotless.

Krav Maga: you think you're the only people in the world who figured out that hitting someone in the eyes or balls would hurt them. You've basically turned spazzing out as hard as you can into a "martial art"

Karate: see Tae Kwon Do but with more grimacing, angry faces, and broken boards.

Systema: Russia gave the world Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Kandinsky, Stravinsky, and more. That almost makes up for them inflicting Systema on us.

Judo: You're 27 but have the body of a 117 year old bull rider. You make sure to tell every other grappler the correct Japanese name for the move they're doing and how it actually came from Judo anyways.

Ninjitsu: you're name is Dylan and you're from the suburbs. You're Dad's a dentist. You're not a ninja.

Boxing: kicking isn't fair, grappling isn't fair, clinch fighting isn't fair. Take those out and Boxing is the most realistic, manly fighting style there is. Also, all shorts should be made to slide all the way up to your nipples

Muay Thai: yes, we know, you broke a baseball bat with a kick once. It takes longer to pronounce the names of the fighters in a Muay Thai match than it does for them to fight.

Sambo: Like the readout in the Terminators eyes, all you ever see are the words "dive on foot". You shave your legs but your gis have epaulets so that's pretty awesome.

Aikido: you're basically powerless if no one grabs your wrist or comes running at you with an overhead chop (the way most fighters do). I Don't know if it's worse getting thrown by an Aikido practitioner or smelling like patchouli wherever they touched you afterwards.

Hapkido: a thousand different organizations and each one will tell you why all the other ones suck. They are extremely dangerous if you attack them exactly the way they ask you too. And, you don't resist.

Catch Wrestling: the Krav Maga of grappling.

Savate: a truly terrifying martial art. Because anyone who lost a fight to a French guy would have to kill themselves in shame. Cheap to learn because you only need to borrow your sisters ballet slippers and you have your outfit

Sumo: gotta love any martial art where the weight classes start at Obese and go up from there. From Japan - the nation that loves fat guys in diapers slapping each other and tentacle porn.

Kenpo: or is it "Kempo?" Which is it? Actually, never mind. No one cares.

Capoeira: weird to name a martial art after the worlds largest rodent from South America. After a capoeira fight, you're not sure who won or lost but you are pretty sure one of you is pregnant

MMA: you can't "afford to pay for training" but have roughly $30,000 worth of tattoos. You get confused how to make a complete sentence without "bro" or "brah". You're 3-7 amateur but tell everyone you'll be in the UFC in the next 6 months. You have at least one serious injury at all times

UFC Style: You don't actually train. Your closet contains only wife beaters. You have the same amount of tattoos as the MMA guy but only spent $22.13 on them. You've never trained any real martial art or fought but have your own fighters page on Facebook.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Wow.

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Feb 11, 2019

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




After a year of hemming and hawing I've decided I have the time and money, there's no reason I shouldn't at least try out a bjj gym and do something with some of my evenings*. The place I'm thinking of (https://www.hurricanejj.com/) has both a free appointment to show you a class and sign a waiver, and then 30 days of "come as often as you want, for free" so I'm going to try that out, but are there any things I should look out for or ask questions about while the instructor is showing me around? I'm coming to this with basically 0 knowledge of martial arts at all, so I don't really know what kinds of things I should ask questions about.




*I'm also miserably out of shape (6'4, 140 lbs, no flexibility, strength, cardio). I haven't been able to motivate myself to Just Go To The Gym or anything, so having a structure that also supports other things I want to do seems like a good idea.

Draxion fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Feb 12, 2019

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008

Draxion posted:

After a year of hemming and hawing I've decided I have the time and money, there's no reason I shouldn't at least try out a bjj gym and do something with some of my evenings*. The place I'm thinking of (https://www.hurricanejj.com/) has both a free appointment to show you a class and sign a waiver, and then 30 days of "come as often as you want, for free" so I'm going to try that out, but are there any things I should look out for or ask questions about while the instructor is showing me around? I'm coming to this with basically 0 knowledge of martial arts at all, so I don't really know what kinds of things I should ask questions about.




*I'm also miserably out of shape (6'4, 140 lbs, no flexibility, strength, cardio). I haven't been able to motivate myself to Just Go To The Gym or anything, so having a structure that also supports other things I want to do seems like a good idea.

I've actually been there before. Call the head instructor to make an appointment. Ask questions as you come up with them. If there's a movement or drill you're not sure about or not comfortable doing, say something.

Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions about the place.

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.

Draxion posted:

After a year of hemming and hawing I've decided I have the time and money, there's no reason I shouldn't at least try out a bjj gym and do something with some of my evenings*. The place I'm thinking of (https://www.hurricanejj.com/) has both a free appointment to show you a class and sign a waiver, and then 30 days of "come as often as you want, for free" so I'm going to try that out, but are there any things I should look out for or ask questions about while the instructor is showing me around? I'm coming to this with basically 0 knowledge of martial arts at all, so I don't really know what kinds of things I should ask questions about.




*I'm also miserably out of shape (6'4, 140 lbs, no flexibility, strength, cardio). I haven't been able to motivate myself to Just Go To The Gym or anything, so having a structure that also supports other things I want to do seems like a good idea.

I've never been to their gym, but one of their guys smoked me at my last tournament (and was quite nice afterwards), so they're legit.

Being up-front about prices on the website is rare, and a 30-day free trial is unheard of. Their FAQ covers everything I could think to ask about, so just follow their advice, show up, and have fun.

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002

Yeah, that school looks great. 30 day trial, no contracts. I know it's just information garnered from a website, but those are some signs of a good school.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Draxion posted:

so I'm going to try that out, but are there any things I should look out for or ask questions about while the instructor is showing me around? I'm coming to this with basically 0 knowledge of martial arts at all, so I don't really know what kinds of things I should ask questions about.

In case you don't feel like this is your place and want to continue exploring your options that maybe closer or smaller or bigger or whatever.

1) How many times do you clean the mats? The answer should be somewhere between once daily or after every set of classes, and never less than than daily
2) How often do you spar or have opportunities for sparring? The answer shouldn't be less than daily. Anything less than at least once daily is a waste of your time.
3) How long before I can participate in sparring if I want to? The optimal answer is "As soon as you feel comfortable" but never longer than a couple of months and "When you get your blue belt" is an answer so dumb you should run.


Just remember, you're a customer and you're looking for the best opportunities available to you so don't feel pressured to sign unless you feel comfortable that this is the place for you. If you don't like the vibe, the smell, or the instructor go find other opportunities for grapple sports, and of course you shouldn't tolerate any place without at least one or two free trial classes.

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




Excellent, sounds great. Thanks yall.

Lasagna Pilot
Feb 6, 2009

No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.
Just started up at a gym doing BJJ and Muay Thai and it is a good experience so far.

Two questions:

1) What is the go-to youtube for basic BJJ technique? They have us noobs rolling and I feel like I don't have enough committed to memory to get proper practice out of that yet, I remember how to pass guard into armbar and how to shrimp out of trouble and that's about it

2) Do people usually train through those annoying twisting back stinger pain things, or take a few days off?

Lasagna Pilot fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Feb 13, 2019

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007

Lasagna Pilot posted:

Just started up at a gym doing BJJ and Muay Thai and it is a good experience so far.

Two questions:

1) What is the go-to youtube for basic BJJ technique? They have us noobs rolling and I feel like I don't have enough committed to memory to get proper practice out of that yet, I remember how to pass guard into armbar and how to shrimp out of trouble and that's about it

2) Do people usually train though those annoying twisting back stinger pain things, or take a few days off?

sorry but what is a 'twisting back stinger' besides the finishing move of my pro wrestling alter ego The Scorpion

Lasagna Pilot
Feb 6, 2009

No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.

Wangsbig posted:

sorry but what is a 'twisting back stinger' besides the finishing move of my pro wrestling alter ego The Scorpion

lol

back soreness/strain on the side/lat area that feels sorta like what happens if you carelessly reach behind you in a car seat to pick something heavy up with one arm

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Muscle strain in the latissimus, if I had to guess. Did you do a lot of throws? You tend to get those from rotating your upper body too fast. I don't know what would be the best recommendation in the MA context, but in general, it's recommended to let that kind of thing heal rather than risk it worsening into a tear.

Lasagna Pilot
Feb 6, 2009

No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.

Cardiovorax posted:

Muscle strain in the latissimus, if I had to guess. Did you do a lot of throws? You tend to get those from rotating your upper body too fast. I don't know what would be the best recommendation in the MA context, but in general, it's recommended to let that kind of thing heal rather than risk it worsening into a tear.

Some throws, take downs, a lot of twisting and explosive movements like bridging to escape control.

I am guessing the strain happened during an explosive movement to escape, because outside of those situations I am usually going half speed trying to focus on technique and trying not to over-rely on strength because I have 30+ lbs and a strength advantage on a lot of the other Intro players.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.
Makes sense. If it starts roughly above your kidneys and goes to about middle-ish of your shoulder blades, I'm guessing latissimus strain. I used to get that from Judo. I recommend rest because explosive movement only makes it worse, but it's up to you.

Lasagna Pilot
Feb 6, 2009

No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.

Cardiovorax posted:

Makes sense. If it starts roughly above your kidneys and goes to about middle-ish of your shoulder blades, I'm guessing latissimus strain. I used to get that from Judo. I recommend rest because explosive movement only makes it worse, but it's up to you.

Yep, that's it. Guess I'll do practice dummy or cardio during the sparring time until it heals up.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Lasagna Pilot posted:


1) What is the go-to youtube for basic BJJ technique? They have us noobs rolling and I feel like I don't have enough committed to memory to get proper practice out of that yet, I remember how to pass guard into armbar and how to shrimp out of trouble and that's about it

2) Do people usually train through those annoying twisting back stinger pain things, or take a few days off?


1) Stephen Kesting has good techniques that don't extend far beyond noobjitsu.

2) You're an adult, theoretically, if you're just sore go train, but if you feel like you may hurt yourself rest.

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.

Defenestrategy posted:

1) Stephen Kesting has good techniques that don't extend far beyond noobjitsu.

2) You're an adult, theoretically, if you're just sore go train, but if you feel like you may hurt yourself rest.

Kesting also has a free e-book that provides a good high-level overview of BJJ aimed at beginners. There's some links to his videos sprinkled throughout.

That said, trying to teach yourself new moves off YouTube without spending some time drilling them is gonna be an uphill battle.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Kesting's stuff is decent for sure. Definitely don't try to dive too far into learning techniques on the internet when you're starting out. Use it as a tool to reinforce the things you're being taught in class.

I think all of Saulo Ribiero's Jiu Jitsu University is on Youtube somewhere as well.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

JaySB posted:

Definitely don't try to dive too far into learning techniques on the internet when you're starting out. Use it as a tool to reinforce the things you're being taught in class.


On the other hand I don't see anything bad coming from just learning poo poo over youtube so long as you vet anyone you're watching and you combine it with going to class and regular rolling.

I go to a positively giant school where, if you aren't attending 6am class, chances are you aren't going to get anything close to 1 on 1 tweaks from the instructor. Really the instructor is kinda mostly there to facilitate rolling and a kind of move of the day unless you're a competitor .

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Defenestrategy posted:

chances are you aren't going to get anything close to 1 on 1 tweaks from the instructor. Really the instructor is kinda mostly there to facilitate rolling and a kind of move of the day
That sucks, because it just slows down a student's progression. I know you can always ask questions, but if there's 10 people in line with questions, you might lose the moment.

Our school had a blanket "no instruction to fellow students" policy, but I routinely ignored that because I was pretty senior and knew the stuff I was pointing out was not objectionable. Sometimes the coaches are looking the other way and don't see a form or tactical mistake, and you want to address it head on before it becomes ingrained.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

kimbo305 posted:



Our school had a blanket "no instruction to fellow students" policy,

That's...a thing I suppose. We have a general, "everyone helps everyone" attitude. Even a new white belt is capable of pointing out to another white belt they missed something the coach showed in the technique.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

starkebn posted:

That's...a thing I suppose. We have a general, "everyone helps everyone" attitude. Even a new white belt is capable of pointing out to another white belt they missed something the coach showed in the technique.

It depends on the student population. I'm sure we've all run into low level students that thought they were geniuses.
Obviously, you are allowed to co-train and interact with your partner during partner drills. The rule was meant for people potentially giving conflicting instruction from the coaches.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Defenestrategy posted:

On the other hand I don't see anything bad coming from just learning poo poo over youtube so long as you vet anyone you're watching and you combine it with going to class and regular rolling.

Yes and no, information overload is a thing. I learn technique and concepts from the internet all the time, but as a day 1 white belt or whatever I'd probably be better off researching the things that were taught in class or just the basic fundamentals rather than watching video on x-guard transitions to the back.

old.flv
Jan 28, 2017

A good lad who likes his Anna's.

starkebn posted:

Even a new white belt is capable of pointing out to another white belt they missed something the coach showed in the technique.

honestly, a lot of times they're simply not

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
It's hard to vet stuff on YouTube if you don't know who anyone is or what you're looking for.

There's even some pretty popular videos that are sorta ... half right about stuff.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Xguard86 posted:

It's hard to vet stuff on YouTube if you don't know who anyone is or what you're looking for.

There's even some pretty popular videos that are sorta ... half right about stuff.


I feel at worst, someone learns something dumb which is no less than any given white belt learns even if they are in a given physical class and at best they learn something good that they're interested in and good at that they can manage to apply during a live roll.

On the whole it's probably no different than reading JJUniversity or shelling the money for a DVD, again combined with actual physical rolling partners that you roll with constantly. It's not as good as if you're given a lot of 1 on 1 attention, but that's not practical if you're a white belt at my gym in which the average class side is closer to thirty five than twenty five most nights during prime time or without the means to pay out for private lessons.

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts

kimbo305 posted:

It depends on the student population. I'm sure we've all run into low level students that thought they were geniuses.

~*~blue belt seminars*~*

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Question about mouth-guards - since it's not really the kind of thing you can try out ahead of time is there any kind of a consensus on best kind/type/brand?

starkebn posted:

That's...a thing I suppose. We have a general, "everyone helps everyone" attitude. Even a new white belt is capable of pointing out to another white belt they missed something the coach showed in the technique.
We certainly have no rule like that and encourage asking more senior belts for assistance, although each class typically has at least a few black belts in attendance in addition to the primary instructor that are usually more than happy to help. The main instructor would simply be overloaded otherwise. The only time I feel bad or don't is if it's obvious they are trying to work on something themselves.

I was working through a new pattern (form) and had a hand from more senior friend. About 10 minutes of it feeling weird and awkward until it dawned on him he was teaching me the last half of a totally different pattern :lol: so that's kind of the risk, but that can literally happen with anyone.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

kimbo305 posted:

It depends on the student population. I'm sure we've all run into low level students that thought they were geniuses.

Don't doxx me

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.

slidebite posted:

Question about mouth-guards - since it's not really the kind of thing you can try out ahead of time is there any kind of a consensus on best kind/type/brand?

Go to your dentist and have them make you a custom one; it should run about $50-100 with insurance, but they're night and day compared to any boil-and-bite you can get.

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Jerome Louis
Nov 5, 2002
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College Slice
You can also order kits online for custom ones that are about $100 without insurance. I have one from https://gladiatorguards.com which is pretty decent but avoid the gimmicky power grip stuff. I also have one from https://www.mouthpieceguy.com which is extremely well made and provides full coverage but it's a little hard to get out once it's in. If I were doing striking sports I'd use mouthpiece guy but for like BJJ and stuff where you aren't getting punched in the head gladiator guards should be fine.

The mouthpiece guy website actually has some really informative YouTube videos about mouth pieces and the differences between different styles of mouth piece out there.

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