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From the fine folks over in the Star Trucks: Delivery thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn_Sgcxg5PQ
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do chuds still say that disco is the sjw trek and this is the glorious sjw-free paradise after all these moclan episodes
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Apr 13, 2019 21:33
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Mokinokaro posted:Talla is so much better of a character than I expected her to be. It took the actress a couple episodes but she's great now that she's settled into the role. I liked Alara but Talla is just a much better actress. I hope they give her more and more interesting things to do in the future.
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Apr 13, 2019 21:38
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cheetah7071 posted:do chuds still say that disco is the sjw trek and this is the glorious sjw-free paradise after all these moclan episodes This is just Orville’s “But he is black on the LEFT side” episode. Anybody who thinks Trek hasn’t been pro-social-justice hasn’t ever watched Trek.
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Apr 13, 2019 21:41
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Star Trek literally takes place in a Socialist utopia lmao
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Apr 13, 2019 21:41
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I think the most important thing they've established with Talla is that she's someone you want and are happy to have on your side when things go to poo poo.
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Apr 13, 2019 22:15
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Mokinokaro posted:Talla is so much better of a character than I expected her to be. It took the actress a couple episodes but she's great now that she's settled into the role. Yes, he overcompensates in being a traditional moclan man because he's insecure about the fact that he was born female, it's about as obvious as possible.
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Apr 13, 2019 22:32
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Also the last (only?) time he tried opening up to a woman, she threw it back in his face (being grateful after Talla found the Moclan who framed him). From our perspective, Talla was completely in the right giving him an earful for being a prejudiced shitheel who got a kind soul imprisoned by a bigoted justice system, but Klyden is blind to that outside perspective. From his perspective, he tried offering gratitude yet received (perceived unjust) anger in response.
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Apr 13, 2019 22:41
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Just because it makes sense that Klyden is an rear end in a top hat doesn't make it any more fun to watch
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Apr 13, 2019 22:54
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precision posted:Just because it makes sense that Klyden is an rear end in a top hat doesn't make it any more fun to watch Yeah but it leaves things open for him to change in time.
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Apr 13, 2019 22:57
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precision posted:Just because it makes sense that Klyden is an rear end in a top hat doesn't make it any more fun to watch Unfortunately, I know people exactly like him, and it's weird seeing a traditionalist alien matching tone with a human I'm familiar with.
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Apr 13, 2019 22:57
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It actually turns out that the Mocclan sex change is an allegory for vaccinations. Klyden is right.
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Apr 13, 2019 23:09
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Long shot odds that they're setting up bortus for a fling with a moclan woman
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Apr 13, 2019 23:28
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Donovan Trip posted:Long shot odds that they're setting up bortus for a fling with a moclan woman That seems... unlikely, Captain.
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Apr 13, 2019 23:31
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Donovan Trip posted:Long shot odds that they're setting up
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Apr 13, 2019 23:32
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You will be silent
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Apr 13, 2019 23:33
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At this point I suspect the episode explaining that Moclan divorce is murder existed to pre-empt the question of why Bortus is sticking with him
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Apr 13, 2019 23:34
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I did like the explanation as to why you never really see Klyden interacting with other characters is because he was doing that on purpose.
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Apr 13, 2019 23:35
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I exclusively ship Talla with Moclan Female
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Apr 13, 2019 23:38
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Seems like it's a feedback loop. Klyden doesn't interact with others because of his traditional ways. Because he spends his time alone, all he has is Bortus and his traditions to keep going. So he gets deeper into the traditions and has even more of a reason to avoid everyone else on the ship.
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Apr 13, 2019 23:38
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The Bloop posted:The entire definition of "male" v "female" are entirely up for grabs here. I was thinking the same thing. Their sex-change surgery probably involves replicating a set of male genitals using similar technology to that which gave Gordon a new leg (considering that Klyden was able to fertilize an egg with no problem, and he only found out he was born a girl when some doctor pointed some sci-fi medical scanner at his crotchal area). Which actually had me wondering: Does that in any way change the ethics of their policy of "correcting" female babies? If the surgery involves going from "pure female" to "basically male and female, even though everyone identifies as pure male for some reason", does that constitute anything approaching a legitimate case that female Moclans are, as per traditional beliefs, deficient? It certainly wouldn't change the ethics of their policies towards heterosexuals (especially when they're experiencing the sexual event with aliens who are almost certainly genetically incompatible, so they don't even have the excuse of them spreading defective genes).
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(sex, not gender obviously)
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Apr 14, 2019 00:50
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This thread has become... disturbing. May I leave now, Captain?
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Apr 14, 2019 01:13
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Look if it doesn't spark discussion on topics and get you thinking in different angles than you're used to about societal problems then it's not Trek.
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Apr 14, 2019 01:51
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Dietrich posted:Look if it doesn't spark discussion on topics and get you thinking in different angles than you're used to about societal problems then it's not Seinfeld
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Apr 14, 2019 02:19
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While it'd be terrible in-universe, I kinda want the Moclans to go up to the Krill and try and make a deal against the Union, only for it to blow up spectacularly. Like, I can see a devout Krill saying "look, Avis's will is for us and the Union to be somewhat closer than that were. You all-male assholes are decidedly not doing Avis's will, sorry not sorry."
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Apr 14, 2019 02:58
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Dietrich posted:Look if it doesn't spark discussion on topics and get you thinking in different angles than you're used to about societal problems then it's not Trek. Seth would have made a pretty solid goon back in the day, and would probably be legit jazzed to hear that people were discussing this kind of stuff off of a Star Trek show he created
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Apr 14, 2019 03:01
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Cockmaster posted:I was thinking the same thing. Their sex-change surgery probably involves replicating a set of male genitals using similar technology to that which gave Gordon a new leg (considering that Klyden was able to fertilize an egg with no problem, and he only found out he was born a girl when some doctor pointed some sci-fi medical scanner at his crotchal area). The replicator can do so many wonderful things. "Tea. Earl Gray. Hot." "Penis. Moclan. Long."
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Apr 14, 2019 03:07
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There will probably be an episode that explores the origins of the Moclans enforcement of mono gendered society.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:21
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twistedmentat posted:There will probably be an episode that explores the origins of the Moclans enforcement of mono gendered society. Hopefully next season, I think they're in danger of going to that well a few too many times.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:28
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This Star Trek show owns. Not sure what the deal is with the ridiculous knockoff version over on CBS.
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Apr 14, 2019 03:46
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The next two episodes are something to do with Kelly and Ed so it won't be Moclan related.
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Apr 14, 2019 15:25
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I figured they wouldn't go back to the Moclan well again with only a couple episodes left. Need a season three confirmation though, c'mon dudes.
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Apr 14, 2019 15:30
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While obvious Kylden's motives were totally rear end in a top hat-ish, I thought it was cool that Mercer and the rest of the senior staff didn't just roll over because they're super trusting liberals. The fact that Kylden could have just sent a communication right back to Moclus says something about his character as well because clearly he trusted Mercer to handle it and not just accept Bortus perception of events. I don't think this makes Kylden any less of an rear end in a top hat but Bortus' judgement on the matter was clearly impaired due to his own feelings of guilt regarding his child and I think the second half of the episode could have easily been that the refugee parents were actually smuggling something illegal. The child was simply a holographic illusion designed to specifically fool Bortus and make him an unwitting accomplice in their crimes. I'm not trying to defend Kylden, but I liked that they didn't make him go behind everyone's back. He trusted the Union to handle things, and his actions were reasonable; if not still supporting his own misogynistic world view.
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Apr 14, 2019 15:51
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Grand Fromage posted:I figured they wouldn't go back to the Moclan well again with only a couple episodes left. Well, if Fox doesn't renew it there is still a possibility it stays on Hulu as a streaming only show produced by Disney. Since Disney owns the production of the show, and they said they are keeping Hulu when they announced Disney+ this would be a good show for them since they now own it, and it does well in streaming numbers.
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Apr 14, 2019 16:59
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Mage_Boy posted:Well, if Fox doesn't renew it there is still a possibility it stays on Hulu as a streaming only show produced by Disney. Since Disney owns the production of the show, and they said they are keeping Hulu when they announced Disney+ this would be a good show for them since they now own it, and it does well in streaming numbers. otoh it fits the ratings cap for Disney+ so they'd probably put it there anyway
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Apr 14, 2019 17:02
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seth would probably quit all of his shows if the orville was canceled, which is probably not something fox particularly wants
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Apr 14, 2019 17:05
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Isn't Seth wealthy enough to just start his own production company? I gotta think he'd happily spend his own money on the whole thing if it came to it.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:14
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Isn't Seth wealthy enough to just start his own production company? I gotta think he'd happily spend his own money on the whole thing if it came to it. He has his own production company, Fuzzy Door Productions, It coproduces most of his stuff with Fox.
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Taear posted:The next two episodes are something to do with Kelly and Ed so it won't be Moclan related. I'd rather the Moclan well than the poisoned well.
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