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Government healthcare is awesome and I think healthcare should be treated as a human right. Also look into Medicaid, with expansion a lot of places cover out to 138% which is nice (covers a single parent in the example you provide in my home state, for example).
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Phanatic posted:Is there any measure to control someone’s life you could not justify with this argument? Why don't you tell me an aspect of your life that doesn't have an effect on anyone else?
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Mantle posted:Why don't you tell me an aspect of your life that doesn't have an effect on anyone else? I was about to say "posting on the internet alone at home" but the way this post completely misses the point is now stressing me out and damaging my mental health so I think we need to tax internet posting too.
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Mantle posted:Why don't you tell me an aspect of your life that doesn't have an effect on anyone else? All aspects of all our lives have an effect on others. Is there any regulation you can't justify using that argument?
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Krispy Wafer posted:
I think his "upward trend" is pretty strongly correlated with him having only posted like three times this month.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I never realized that my posting in BFC was non-white noise enough to be remembered. Sorry to hear it and hope you get past it quick. Keep on shitpostin'.
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Mantle posted:Why don't you tell me an aspect of your life that doesn't have an effect on anyone else? I beat off regularly.
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Barry posted:I think his "upward trend" is pretty strongly correlated with him having only posted like three times this month. Honestly it's this. I've spent the past month renovating a house and moving into it.  Emptied out one final boot of cargo last night and am officially moved in, and ready to 
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Does your car get BWM bottoming out?
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Government healthcare is awesome and I think healthcare should be treated as a human right. Also look into Medicaid, with expansion a lot of places cover out to 138% which is nice (covers a single parent in the example you provide in my home state, for example). Health Justice Now by Tim Faust comes out in August. I strongly recommend everyone in this thread read it to see just how GWM (and BWPeoplesLives) the US' current health system is. ChickenOfTomorrow fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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22 Eargesplitten posted:A) it’s the US, the only way we subsidize healthcare is by letting you go to the ER, get a cursory lookover, and get kicked out if you aren’t bleeding too badly when you can’t pay. dogg 1970s sci-fi is not real sorry to hear about your personal issues, hope things get better for you soon!
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Government healthcare is awesome and I think healthcare should be treated as a human right. As a nurse, I agree with you and I am happy that doctors feel this way was well. What I’d really like to know from you and other doctors is whether you’d still support this if physician salaries dropped to NHS levels.
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Cacafuego posted:What I’d really like to know from you and other doctors is whether you’d still support this if physician salaries dropped to NHS levels. Yes, but also the NHS is a failing institution (sabotaged intentionally) which lines the pockets of totally useless admin drones at the expense of among others (junior) doctors, so never use it as an example of government health care
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doesnt it still keep people from going bankrupt not to die though?
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yes, but that's a low bar
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i suppose it just looks better than my "die without fuss" plan
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the new Walk Into A Snowstorm And Go To Sleep Forever healthcare plan!
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yeah i live in FL so that one doesnt look like too easy of an option
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sneakyfrog posted:yeah i live in FL so that one doesnt look like too easy of an option try the ocean
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sneakyfrog posted:doesnt it still keep people from going bankrupt not to die though? yeah while staying understaffed forever because it fucks over the people actually performing the work while rewarding useless loving administrators
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TVsVeryOwn posted:try the ocean 
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sounds like the VA (sigh)
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please knock Mom! posted:yeah while staying understaffed forever because it fucks over the people actually performing the work while rewarding useless loving administrators
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Healthcare the world over is being ruined by excessive and bloated administration work. The attempted solutions always end up requiring more paperwork and admins as well. Every doctor I go to now has a cube farm in the back of the office with an army of admins that do nothing but process and transfer forms to admins at other doctors or insurance companies. But if you try and trim that fat people scream that you're "cutting jobs".
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Cacafuego posted:As a nurse, I agree with you and I am happy that doctors feel this way was well. I think you'd lose two types of people as wages drifted down 1) the brightest people considering the field who would theoretically find a better wage for their labor elsewhere and 2) those practicing who are less intrinsically motivated. I don't know that would necessarily be a problem. The drift isn't even that dramatic.
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Cacafuego posted:As a nurse, I agree with you and I am happy that doctors feel this way was well. If you're dropping salaries to NHS levels you gotta do something about the education costs to get there, I'd think.
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stop making sense immediately.
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Zauper posted:If you're dropping salaries to NHS levels you gotta do something about the education costs to get there, I'd think. Yeah my GFs $360K dental degree would not be viable...
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Zauper posted:If you're dropping salaries to NHS levels you gotta do something about the education costs to get there, I'd think. Easy fix, free higher education
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please knock Mom! posted:Yes, but also the NHS is a failing institution (sabotaged intentionally) which lines the pockets of totally useless admin drones at the expense of among others (junior) doctors, so never use it as an example of government health care
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Communism/capitalism/socialism/etc are all the same when you put people in charge of them. Let’s just get it over with and allow skynet to takeover and kill us all already
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i just suggested this in some other thread 
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Mantle posted:Except the cost of health care is subsidized so by making unhealthy life choices you are externalizing those costs. I remember an NPR story about a study they did somewhere in Europe except it was about smokers instead of fat people. The government was complaining that all of the health complications from smoking are expensive, but it turned out that smokers actually take less government spending overall because they die younger. It turns out that dropping dead the day you retire is GWM from society's perspective.
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SpartanIvy posted:Healthcare the world over is being ruined by excessive and bloated administration work. Is that a cause of the issue, or just a symptom of "private market health insurance results in eternal gamesmanship"?
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Zauper posted:If you're dropping salaries to NHS levels you gotta do something about the education costs to get there, I'd think. That’s kind of the rub. The system is made to squeeze hundreds of thousands of dollars out of prospective doctors and put them through a heinous internship so they can come out on the other side rich. If you lower their salaries you have to break apart the whole system built around their education and training. And all that to maaaaaaybe reduce healthcare spending by 10% (doctor salaries make up about 20% of overall costs). One of the easiest and most effective reforms would be to clearly state costs. Healthcare pricing is so obtuse it’s tough to tell how much people pay and where the waste is. Your Epipen is $300, but insurance probably pays 1/3rd that. People without insurance can get it for half off. Hospitals pay a totally different price and schools, which are now required to stock them, pay something else. No one is paying MSRP, but no one knows what the ‘correct’ market price is. Without that knowledge you’re taking an already very price inelastic product and making it even more skewed to the seller’s side. The invisible hand of the free market just wants to be freed. OctaviusBeaver posted:I remember an NPR story about a study they did somewhere in Europe except it was about smokers instead of fat people. The government was complaining that all of the health complications from smoking are expensive, but it turned out that smokers actually take less government spending overall because they die younger. It turns out that dropping dead the day you retire is GWM from society's perspective. The Russian retirement age is 60 and the average life expectancy for men is like...62. And Putin just raises the retirement age to 65 sooooo...
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So glad I started this Guys n gals I meant what I said in jest I really didn't want a 4 page derail on the American healthcare system.
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Krispy Wafer posted:That’s kind of the rub. The system is made to squeeze hundreds of thousands of dollars out of prospective doctors and put them through a heinous internship so they can come out on the other side rich. If you lower their salaries you have to break apart the whole system built around their education and training. And all that to maaaaaaybe reduce healthcare spending by 10% (doctor salaries make up about 20% of overall costs). Semi-related, having a job is good for mental health, but you only need 8 hours or so for the benefits https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/work-benefits-week-mental-health-eight-hours-employment-automation-a8964051.html
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tater_salad posted:So glad I started this hey what is your opinion on tipping?
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Kanish posted:hey what is your opinion on tipping? What is considered too much to spend on a wedding?
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Simpsons Reference posted:What is considered too much to spend on a wedding? $X+$1, where X is the amount of money the person stating their opinion spent on their own wedding. If they haven't had a wedding, their opinion doesn't count.
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