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Squalid posted:there is no evidence of impending human extinction. AceOfFlames's over there is not hyperventilating about mohawked raiders forcing him to till the soil based a rigorous study correlating hairstyle with global temperature Atmospheric carbon increasing orders of magnitude faster than it did in the lead up to the P-T extinction is good enough for me to lol into the void at
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Squalid posted:Even worse, racists like Rime use those same fictional stories as a justification for starving and killing the world's poor.
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Jul 24, 2019 19:20
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"Listen there's no scientific basis in extinction scenarios" *bursts into flames*
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Crazypoops posted:"Listen there's no scientific basis in extinction scenarios" *bursts into flames* *Shovels coal into the fire for good measure*
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Squalid posted:there is no evidence of impending human extinction. AceOfFlames's over there is not hyperventilating about mohawked raiders forcing him to till the soil based a rigorous study correlating hairstyle with global temperature what kind of evidence do you think would convince you that humans were facing an extinction level event?
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Admiral Ray posted:what kind of evidence do you think would convince you that humans were facing an extinction level event? for me it would take a few thousands of ICBMs sitting in silos ready to launch at any moment in response to any threat real or imagined. oh did you mean the climate? edit typo Torpor has issued a correction as of 20:00 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Stairmaster posted:ace of flames is gonna end up being the mohawked raider and commiting so many horrific crimes no such thing as crime once society collapses may we all aspire for our skulls to be kickass mugs at lord humongous' table
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Jul 24, 2019 19:28
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Car Hater posted:Atmospheric carbon increasing orders of magnitude faster than it did in the lead up to the P-T extinction is good enough for me to lol into the void at one of the biggest difficulties with science communication is how to get across the idea of uncertainty. The general public is not well equipped mentally to handle the pain of not knowing, and that makes it really difficult to talk about risk. "Bad things might happen" is difficult for normal people to distinguish from "Bad things WILL happen," and realistically there's a lot of thick skulls you're never going to get it past. Mayor Dave's faith in the futility of human action isn't based on a serious assessment of the probability of specific climate scenarios, it's more like a philosophical position. I'm not much for religion myself but if I have to choose a faith I prefer those that encourage productive behavior. Admiral Ray posted:what kind of evidence do you think would convince you that humans were facing an extinction level event? I already am convinced of that? i don't understand your argument.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FSHqLaE7Sg
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because if we’re talking about climate then it looks like a couple hundred nuclear weapons on the Indian subcontinent which is projected to run out of water.
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Jul 24, 2019 19:30
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catastrophically bad things happening are hard to imagine ∴ they won't
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Jul 24, 2019 19:31
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vyelkin posted:This is from 2017 instead of looking at it as "remaining ice" look at as "ice successfully melted" number go up baby!
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Jul 24, 2019 19:35
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The Protagonist posted:catastrophically bad things happening are hard to imagine  number go up forever
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Squalid posted:I already am convinced of that? i don't understand your argument. These posts come off as dismissing the possibility of climate change causing our extinction: Squalid posted:These two posts together nicely illustrate why I felt it worthwhile to make the point that there's no scientifically grounded argument for human extinction scenarios. People like AceOfFlames literally have panic attacks thinking about purely fictional depictions of the end of the world. Even worse, racists like Rime use those same fictional stories as a justification for starving and killing the world's poor. Like Yinlock pointed out there's nothing productive in these misanthropic fantasies, and we shouldn't mistake eschatology for climate science. Just because bad things are possible doesn't make them inevitable. Squalid posted:there is no evidence of impending human extinction. AceOfFlames's over there is not hyperventilating about mohawked raiders forcing him to till the soil based a rigorous study correlating hairstyle with global temperature
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Jul 24, 2019 19:42
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why are you attempting earnest engagement with an obvious troll?
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Minrad posted:instead of looking at it as "remaining ice" look at as "ice successfully melted" We have always been at war with solid water.
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Rectal Death Adept posted:We have always been at war with solid water. Snake yelling liquid.flv
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Admiral Ray posted:These posts come off as dismissing the possibility of climate change causing our extinction: don't get me wrong, extinction is pretty implausible in the next century. The only plausible scenarios I can think of involve rendering the atmosphere unbreathable for macrovertibrates. There's not even really any plausible mechanism by which nuclear war could cause human extinction. The crux of the issue is we face a world full of uncertainty and without psychohistory it is impossible to predict where fate will take us. In this circumstance anyone picking one of the many possible outcomes and declares it definite and certain is making a leap of faith. If we have to pick something to have faith in I choose mankind. Mankind might not deserve it but what else do we have? Complications posted:why are you attempting earnest engagement with an obvious troll? Sometimes I wonder what it is people like you think trolling is. "Your fears of being brutalized by Lord Humongous are based on films and not science," Clearly a bad faith troll. Squalid has issued a correction as of 19:59 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Jul 24, 2019 19:57
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Squalid posted:"Your fears of being brutalized by Lord Humongous are based on films and not science," This may astonish you, but these are largely lighthearted positions held in jest to add levity to a reality which will turn out far, far worse
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Squalid posted:Sometimes I wonder what it is people like you think trolling is. "Your fears of being brutalized by Lord Humongous are based on films and not science," Clearly a bad faith troll.
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Jul 24, 2019 20:06
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Squalid posted:don't get me wrong, extinction is pretty implausible in the next century. The only plausible scenarios I can think of involve rendering the atmosphere unbreathable for macrovertibrates. There's not even really any plausible mechanism by which nuclear war could cause human extinction. Limiting consideration to the next century when the long term effects will linger for tens of thousands of years seems like downplaying the urgency of change
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 Had some free time at work, so I ran the Area/Volume ratio for Arctic ice based on the Area Data and Volume Data. This would essentially be a proxy for some kind of Ice:Air radiative index, right? No surprise it's doubled in 30 years. It's not apples-to-apples since the remaining ice is at higher latitudes (so less incoming solar energy), but it's pretty stark. Is there a reason I haven't seen a chart like this, despite reading these threads for years?
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Jul 24, 2019 20:25
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Torpor posted:because if we’re talking about climate then it looks like a couple hundred nuclear weapons on the Indian subcontinent which is projected to run out of water. This is my major concern, yeah.
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Jul 24, 2019 20:29
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Maybe the resultant nuclear winter from the water wars will stop global warming.
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Jul 24, 2019 20:32
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squalid's not a troll he's an irl liberal that got lost and wound up in a cspam thread and has no idea why strangers keep flicking his ear and pantsing him. he's earnest posting that nonsense. unlike us, who are shitposting in earnest
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Jul 24, 2019 20:33
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Nuclear dimming effects not as strong as hoped, time is a flat circle.
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I played sim earth and iirc the way you get sentient robots is to cause a nuclear winter during the information age so let's get on that.
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Squalid posted:don't get me wrong, extinction is pretty implausible in the next century. The only plausible scenarios I can think of involve rendering the atmosphere unbreathable for macrovertibrates. There's not even really any plausible mechanism by which nuclear war could cause human extinction. Curious - if only 99.95% of humans died off before 2100, would you consider that an 'extinction'? Or is this a 'technically, extinction means 100% of the population and no less' situation? Nuclear war is in fact a mechanism by which we can cause human extinction, and pretty easily at that. (and not the only one). I choose to have faith in the sun, not mankind.
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tiberion02 posted:Curious - if only 99.95% of humans died off before 2100, would you consider that an 'extinction'? Or is this a 'technically, extinction means 100% of the population and no less' situation? 0.05% of the human population is still over 350 million, or the entire population of the United States. That's nowhere near extinction. That is in fact fewer individuals than many species on the planet have which are not extinct or even endangered.
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Addamere posted:0.05% of the human population is still over 350 million, or the entire population of the United States. That's nowhere near extinction. That is in fact fewer individuals than many species on the planet have which are not extinct or even endangered. you might wanna check your numbers here 0.05% of 8 billion is 4 million, which is certainly a shitload of deaths but that leaves you with roughly the human population of 10,000 BC. the question in the long term is whether the various mechanisms we've set off will be able to sustain animal life at all in the few hundred years after that the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 20:46 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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the bitcoin of weed posted:you might wanna check your numbers here yeah, im a dumbass who did quick math and punched in 5% not 0.05% lol it's still 3.5 million tho the human species has been much closer to extinction than that number, but several order of magnitude i think at one point it's estimated we were down to 2,000 to 5,000 individuals?
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Addamere posted:0.05% of the human population is still over 350 million, or the entire population of the United States. That's nowhere near extinction. That is in fact fewer individuals than many species on the planet have which are not extinct or even endangered. 3.5 million, still plenty of folks to repopulate the planet
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the bitcoin of weed posted:you might wanna check your numbers here Yeah it's actually just the population of Oregon, not the us
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Admiral Ray posted:3.5 million, still plenty of folks to repopulate the planet What planet?
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Perry Mason Jar posted:What planet? The one orbiting Sol at approximately 149.6 million km
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Place sucks rear end. Total poo poo!!
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Addamere posted:the human species has been much closer to extinction than that number, but several order of magnitude the chokepoint thing is a myth, and a key difference between humanity of the past tens of thousands of years and the ones of the future is that the ones of the future will be living on hell earth with hypercanes and no animal population and a lack of useful foods to farm. that's the part where extinction kicks in.
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Minrad posted:the chokepoint thing is a myth, and a key difference between humanity of the past tens of thousands of years and the ones of the future is that the ones of the future will be living on hell earth with hypercanes and no animal population and a lack of useful foods to farm. that's the part where extinction kicks in. Preaching to the choir. I think we're doomed.
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Addamere posted:Preaching to the choir. I think we're doomed. lollin at the succ thread freaking out at the planet politely informing them better things aren't possible
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Addamere posted:Preaching to the choir. I think we're doomed. probably lol the one saving grace is that nature is surprisingly resilient and a huge reduction in the human population and a sudden stop to pollution may be enough for a whole bunch of animal and plant populations to suddenly bounce back, even in a more hostile environment thanks to climate change. that would be the part that might save whatever lingering human remnants still exist. but hoping for that future is about as pointless as hoping a meteor skims the planet just close enough it bounces a bunch of excess co2 into space or something.
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