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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

kingturnip posted:

I can't imagine many Republicans voting for an Englisher, can you?

They will vote for a bucket with a face painted on it if it has an R next to its name.

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Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Does anyone have a good list of things to put in a one person Brexit-box?

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum

Angrymog posted:

Does anyone have a good list of things to put in a one person Brexit-box?

Boris Johnson. If you have room for a two person brexit box toss in Dominic Cummings as well. Make sure the box is airtight.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Angrymog posted:

Does anyone have a good list of things to put in a one person Brexit-box?

Do you mean a coffin?

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Okay, fine, guess I'll starve instead of trying to plan. :(

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

forkboy84 posted:

Ahahahahahwhahaha

"there's always Hope" is possibly the most wrong thing I've seen in my years of reading Ukmt

Continuing to exist, even if only to spite people. Y'know. Hope.


xcheopis posted:

Link doesn't work.

And I doubt it's this guy but it's a relaxing channel where someone fixes up old junk (mainly small, old engines) while talking quietly and calmly and there's none of the standard youtube channel bullshit, not even a loving gaudy intro.


Angrymog posted:

Does anyone have a good list of things to put in a one person Brexit-box?

Toilet paper, disinfectant, cooking oil, salt and pepper.

Then look at the poo poo you normally eat that has long dates on it and buy that in too- for me it's lots of pasta and rice and then tinned stuff/spices to add to it. Tinned fruit for desserts. Multivitamins. Paracetamol/Ibuprofen.

And as you put everything in, note down on paper- or even better excel- what you have, how many and when the best before date is. I'm glad I did, because at a glance I can see I don't need to rotate much from the stocks built up earlier this year.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

xcheopis posted:

Link doesn't work.

Oh, the forums mangled it

here

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


forkboy84 posted:

capitalism has to be overthrown and that's not happening through liberal democracy
What? Yes it is. It's been happening for years, we've watched it in real time ITT - fascists are seizing power through democratic means all over the world, and stopping them means beating them in the streets and at the ballot box.

(I guess that's more liberal democracy committing seppuku than capitalism being overthrown, but you get my point)

e: not saying we should defend the status quo here, liberal democracy is dying of its own accord & the current question is what comes next

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Aug 29, 2019

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Someone tell me when the riots are, I need a new laptop

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

forkboy84 posted:

Ahahahahahwhahaha

"there's always Hope" is possibly the most wrong thing I've seen in my years of reading Ukmt

Something something that meme with decepticons

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


A fubpee riot will just be them leaving their empty prosecco bottles next to the bin in protest.

DiscoWitch
Oct 16, 2009

uwu
No need to stock up if you get yourself an axe or blunt weapon and a lot of rage!

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
That's the advantage of simple rural living, you can have a bunch of zombie knife poo poo lying around from the previous occupants and nobody looks twice.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Verizian posted:

Also recent investigations have found he never renounced his US citizenship.

Cite?

Saith
Oct 10, 2010

Asahina...
Regular Penguins look just the same!
If you think about it, with global warming set to destroy us, only an idiot would attempt to sieze control of the country. It won't be around long enough to be worth it. Much better ro make aa much money as you can in the hopes that you can reserve a room in a bunker/on mars/under the sea.

We can take some hope in the fact that as soon as the coasts are retaken by the sea, all the cunts who can afford to will gently caress off somewhere safe. Or at least 'safe'. So at least they'll leave us to drown in peace.

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006

Verizian posted:

He literally said "I see number ten as a stepping stone to the white house" back when he was doing his big US tour after he was Mayor of London. Also recent investigations have found he never renounced his US citizenship.

yeah this is BS

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...y-section-6039g

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Guavanaut posted:

That's the advantage of simple rural living, you can have a bunch of zombie knife poo poo lying around from the previous occupants and nobody looks twice.

Now that I think about it I have three axes lying by the door.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

goddamnedtwisto posted:

They will vote for a bucket with a face painted on it if it has an R next to its name.

lol if you think the bucket needs a face

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
You need to post the long form version.



His Divine Shadow posted:

Now that I think about it I have three axes lying by the door.
What kind of axes?

The zombie knife legislation is hilariously dumb, because they had to come up with something that would look like they're doing something, without actually addressing any root causes, so just banning something, but without banning useful tools like Yorkshire billhooks, so they went with some dumb vague "is a scary looking hooky choppy cutty thing that also has violent language on it"


Is 'bulldog' violent? I bet I can find several definitions on urbandictionary that are both violent and sexually graphic.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Borrovan posted:

What? Yes it is. It's been happening for years, we've watched it in real time ITT - fascists are seizing power through democratic means all over the world, and stopping them means beating them in the streets and at the ballot box.

(I guess that's more liberal democracy committing seppuku than capitalism being overthrown, but you get my point)

e: not saying we should defend the status quo here, liberal democracy is dying of its own accord & the current question is what comes next

There's a difference between revolutionary left change and fascism, though - fascism makes explicit some of the implicit tendencies and papered-over contradictions of liberal capitalism, and that's nowhere near as much of a shift as a leftwing redesign and restructure of an entire socioeconomic system. Much easier to bring fascism through the ballot box than socialism, it's just less of a change and isn't structurally opposed in the same way - it's not a revolution as such. I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of voting in socialism, though.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

They will vote for a bucket with a face painted on it if it has an R next to its name.

Given a choice of “get kicked in the balls” or someone with a (D) next to their name, they will choose to get kicked in the nuts each and every time. They will happily let you kick them and they will tweet about how awesome it was that they just owned the libs.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

quote:

Sir Tom Devine, Scotland’s preeminent modern historian, has called for mass protests against Boris Johnson’s decision to prorogue Parliament.

Prof Devine, professor emeritus at the University of Edinburgh, said those protests would not succeed in overturning Johnson’s move to suspend parliament without MPs from all parties also showing “guile and spine” by blocking it at Westminster.

Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland, Devine said: “We are now at a very considerable and dangerous crossroads in our democracy. [I] think it’s time for the people to react through mass protest.”

He added: “This is a crisis and this is an emergency.”

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
It's a bit easy calling Boris and his ilk fascists when really they are just capitalists. Everyone seems to want to put them in a little box away from everything else but that is not accurate.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


Wow, not even the countryside people are taking this one well:

quote:

FARMERS FREAK OUT AS BOJO GOES PRO-ROGUE: U.K. farmers groups have condemned Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s move to suspend — aka prorogue — parliament on Wednesday. Critics have accused Johnson of trying to silence parliament in a bid to force through a no-deal departure from the EU if no agreement is reached with Brussels. Johnson insists the reason for the suspension is so he can present a new legislative agenda to the country.

Farmers fear their livelihoods and communities could be devastated by the imposition of tariff barriers that would follow a U.K. crash-out of the EU. The National Sheep Association’s chief executive Phil Stocker expressed shock at the news, after recent statements by Johnson that suggested a no-deal Brexit was extremely unlikely.

“We cannot escape from the fact heading off the cliff edge into a no-deal is exceptionally damaging for the sheep industry and this news is deeply disturbing for farmers whose livelihoods and businesses are at risk,” Stocker said. He also warned Johnson that farms could be “seriously damaged by his blasé approach,” and called on the U.K. PM to “do everything in his power to prevent a no-deal coming to fruition.”

‘Crucial’ to leave with a deal: The National Farmers Union, which represents more than 55,000 rural workers, has previously said that a no-deal Brexit would be “catastrophic” for U.K. agriculture. “It is crucial [that] any exit from the EU is smooth and orderly,” the NFU’s deputy president, Guy Smith, wrote in comments emailed to POLITICO. “We will continue to stress to government the strategic importance of our industry.”

Rural jobs on the line: Esther Lynch, the deputy general secretary of the European Trade Union Confederation (ETUC) said a no-deal Brexit would cost thousands of jobs — particularly in Northern Ireland, where one in seven positions are linked to EU trade. “The most serious consequences will not be felt by company owners but by workers, including farmers and food and agricultural workers in rural communities,” she said. “I fear it will only benefit smuggling.” And thus …

‘We’re heading for chaos in 64 days’ time:’ Or that’s the verdict of The Irish Independent anyway, should a no-deal crash-out become unavoidable. If that happened, the Irish border would become the front line of the EU’s single market — and agricultural products would make up a large percentage of the artillery. But EU diplomats say that nothing would happen overnight. “On October 31, no one is [going to be] ready to stop a cattle truck going north or south,” one official said. “That border literally runs through individual fields. In one case it runs through a house. Someone built a house on the border. They’d have to declare their sandwiches!”

Breathing space: In the end, the official predicted that “common sense would prevail” and “breathing space” would be provided to the Irish over the timing of border closures. “There is not an expectation that from the first of November, the Irish will have built 400 inspection posts,” said the diplomat. Of course, the threat of building them could also provide some negotiating ballast.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Junior G-man posted:

Wow, not even the countryside people are taking this one well:

Like I said this had better end with Johnson's corpse hanging from a petrol station's rafters.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Borrovan posted:

(I guess that's more liberal democracy committing seppuku than capitalism being overthrown, but you get my point)

e: not saying we should defend the status quo here, liberal democracy is dying of its own accord & the current question is what comes next

Robert Evans said that fascism is the chestburster waiting inside the abdomen of every liberal democracy and I quite liked that

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Barry Foster posted:

Robert Evans said that fascism is the chestburster waiting inside the abdomen of every liberal democracy and I quite liked that

So you think fascism is the perfect system of government, and you admire its purity?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


There's no history of violent protest in the UK - and such no group that can organise as a vanguard to start confrontations with police and therefore the flipping of a crowd from a peaceful protest to a violent riot, which would be what is needed. So all these protests are going to just sit in a square, chant for a bit, and go home. People may be looming favourably at HK but the years of student activism there to create tightly knit vanguard organising groups there doesn't exist here- the students aren't even back at uni yet, and they are mostly hopeless anyways.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

Jedit posted:

So you think fascism is the perfect system of government, and you admire its purity?
Why the stupid antagonistic take?

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Guavanaut posted:

What kind of axes?

A heavy Gränsfors splitting maul, a small Billnäs axe and a middling sized Billnäs axe. I like the last one better than the heayv maul for splitting firewood, the small one is good for kindling and chopping of branches and stuff as well as woodworking.

These are the Billnäs axes, both are probably from the 40s or so, I made new shafts for them and painted them, as they were originally painted black like that. Billnäs axes no longer exists but they were the finnish equivalent to Gränsfors. Picked them up at flea markets for a few euros a piece.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Jedit posted:

So you think fascism is the perfect system of government, and you admire its purity?

Say what you will about the tenets of national xenomorphism, Dude, at least it's an ethos

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Flayer posted:

Why the stupid antagonistic take?

I think that's from the movie(s) too.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Boris Galerkin posted:

Given a choice of “get kicked in the balls” or someone with a (D) next to their name, they will choose to get kicked in the nuts each and every time. They will happily let you kick them and they will tweet about how awesome it was that they just owned the libs.
This seems like a win-win for electoral reform

Flayer posted:

Why the stupid antagonistic take?
woosh

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

Flayer posted:

Why the stupid antagonistic take?

Pretty sure he's being facetious with a movie reference

edit:

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Nothingtoseehere posted:

There's no history of violent protest in the UK - and such no group that can organise as a vanguard
Militant trade unionist here, and this is wrong on both counts. Mostly. Not as wrong as I'd like it to be.

The problem here though is that none of the radicals seem to particularly give a gently caress. Like, opposing the prorogation of Parliament is essentially a liberal democratic position, nobody's gonna get their blacks on and take to the streets in defence of liberal democracy.

Flayer posted:

Why the stupid antagonistic take?
I thought it was a funny joke :shrug:

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Borrovan posted:

Militant trade unionist here, and this is wrong on both counts. Mostly. Not as wrong as I'd like it to be.

The problem here though is that none of the radicals seem to particularly give a gently caress. Like, opposing the prorogation of Parliament is essentially a liberal democratic position, nobody's gonna get their blacks on and take to the streets in defence of liberal democracy.

I thought it was a funny joke :shrug:

Fairs - I've been listening to alot of Revolutions podcast recently, and the need for some act of violence - either the state shooting people or the protesting provoking them so they do - to turn many of the peaceful protests into angry mobs that do something has been a constant, along with the need for middle-class revolutionaries to coopt the violence of the working classes to achieve their liberal aims. Both which seem to apply here, except as you'd expect the middle classes have no way to cajole the workers into doing the revolutionary labour for them.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

Borrovan posted:

I thought it was a funny joke :shrug:

Same.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

His Divine Shadow posted:

A heavy Gränsfors splitting maul, a small Billnäs axe and a middling sized Billnäs axe. I like the last one better than the heayv maul for splitting firewood, the small one is good for kindling and chopping of branches and stuff as well as woodworking.

These are the Billnäs axes, both are probably from the 40s or so, I made new shafts for them and painted them, as they were originally painted black like that. Billnäs axes no longer exists but they were the finnish equivalent to Gränsfors. Picked them up at flea markets for a few euros a piece.


Cool. I still have no way of turning firewood into heat other than the ridiculously inefficient (and probably a CO risk) Victorian open fireplace and an outside rocket stove, but the previous occupants left a little firewood axe behind too.

I feel the need to make the obvious Trigger's broom joke here, "Both are from the 40s, I made new shafts and new heads for them, but they're from the 40s" :dadjoke:

Nothingtoseehere posted:

Both which seem to apply here, except as you'd expect the middle classes have no way to cajole the workers into doing the revolutionary labour for them.
Polly Toynbee's Guardian columns seem like a good way to cajole the workers into violence. I feel like doing so whenever I read them.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


I defrosted a tub of bean chilli one of you guys posted a recipe for months back and am currently eating a huge burrito. Is good.

Thanks, nameless goon

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Nothingtoseehere posted:

There's no history of violent protest in the UK - and such no group that can organise as a vanguard to start confrontations with police and therefore the flipping of a crowd from a peaceful protest to a violent riot, which would be what is needed. So all these protests are going to just sit in a square, chant for a bit, and go home. People may be looming favourably at HK but the years of student activism there to create tightly knit vanguard organising groups there doesn't exist here- the students aren't even back at uni yet, and they are mostly hopeless anyways.

You could have said the same thing before the 2011 riots

E: Please ignore. Just read your comment about needing state violence to ignite the riot

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