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I'm reading Master and Commander, and of course a lot of the book revolves around HMS Sophie's guns. Her main battery are 4 pounders. This seems almost...uselessly small to me? Contemporary ships of the line had a mix of 18 and 36 pounders, and even land-based guns during the Civil War were most commonly 12 pounders. Was a 4 pound gun of any real use during that era?
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bewbies posted:I'm reading Master and Commander, and of course a lot of the book revolves around HMS Sophie's guns. Her main battery are 4 pounders. This seems almost...uselessly small to me? Contemporary ships of the line had a mix of 18 and 36 pounders, and even land-based guns during the Civil War were most commonly 12 pounders. Sophie is based on HMS Speedy iirc so yes if you use guile and false flags to trick yourself into point blank range of your enemy. Cochrane I believe said in his autobiography that the four-pounders were just slightly better than a blunderbuss. "Species of gun little larger than a blunderbuss" is the exact quote zoux fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Sep 13, 2019 17:16
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The Iron Rose posted:Also it was Tycho Brahé who had the golden nose IIRC. Justinian II definitely had a gold nose. IIRC the theory of the time was that since man is a copy of God, as God's representative on Earth the emperor has to be a whole physical specimen so after he was deposed the new regime cut off his nose which should in theory have kept him from becoming emperor again. After he managed to make it back to power through a saga that allegedly included him personally ambushing some assassins sent to kill him and basically daring God to drown him while in a boat, future deposed emperors were blinded instead.
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bewbies posted:I'm reading Master and Commander, and of course a lot of the book revolves around HMS Sophie's guns. Her main battery are 4 pounders. This seems almost...uselessly small to me? Contemporary ships of the line had a mix of 18 and 36 pounders, and even land-based guns during the Civil War were most commonly 12 pounders. 4 pound grasshopper guns were arguably useful as field artillery
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Sep 13, 2019 17:26
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I can picture those things wrecking havoc on the drawn out supply lines of the French in Spain's terrain in the right hands of experienced Spanish soldiers or Guerilla fighters now.
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Elyv posted:Justinian II definitely had a gold nose. IIRC the theory of the time was that since man is a copy of God, as God's representative on Earth the emperor has to be a whole physical specimen so after he was deposed the new regime cut off his nose which should in theory have kept him from becoming emperor again. Is this related to why I can blind my worthless son in the Byzantine Empire 769 start to take him out of succession (I usually also castrate him and oubliette him so he dies and I can marry off Irene to either the second or third son who are usually less-useless)?
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HEY GUNS posted:oh god you opened a All of the above, please be as detailed and verbose as you feel is appropriate and if it means multiple posts in a row I'm happy with that. But also I meant the Moritz of Nassau or Wallhausen stuff too. Do you have scans of landsknecht field manuals? I bet those would own.
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Schadenboner posted:Is this related to why I can blind my worthless son in the Byzantine Empire 769 start to take him out of succession (I usually also castrate him and oubliette him so he dies and I can marry off Irene to either the second or third son who are usually less-useless)? Yes. Also, harsh strat.
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ulmont posted:Yes. Also, harsh strat. I must eat the malus that Second Rome might have a ruler worthy of dat purp. 
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Sep 13, 2019 17:49
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ulmont posted:Yes. Also, harsh strat. Typical of the Greek Byzantines https://twitter.com/RowanKaiser/status/963708340965490688
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Irene of Athens, not Irene of Khazaria, obvs?  E: If you can swing it, he-who-would-have-been-Leo IV actually makes a p.deece steward (or one of the council members, it's been a really long time since I've played and I forget) but either his two younger brothers are legitimately better at being Basileus. If you want to keep him around you have to be able to get the son castrated-but-alive, the father dead (because otherwise the son will just plot against him, the -100 "Castrated Me" penalty is non-expiring), and one of the younger brothers on the throne (E2: and they're like 12 and 6 so it's a decently long regency especially since it's right at the start of the game) and it's generally not worth it especially since Constantine V is both very highly statted and he lives an ungodly long time (must be all that icon-breaking?) so getting rid of him early is a waste, and Irene is really useful at producing high quality offspring (and is also long-lived) so having her married to the nutless wonder is a waste. Usually easier to just off him (and to do so before he impregnates Irene which would set up a PITA succession thing)? 
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Sep 13, 2019 18:11
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The Iron Rose posted:On the contrary. It's a long book but you should really read The Better Angels of our Nature by Steven Pinker. The world today is the safest, most just, most human rights friendly and war free that we have ever known as a species. While we obviously have our problems of the day, millions and millions of people aren't dying in stupid wars for them at anywhere near the same rates we've used to. Violence and rape and crime of all sorts has dropped precipitously. This is the best planet Earth has ever been! And with luck it'll keep on getting better. Pinker's full of poo poo.
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Big Epstein Fan Pinker
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Tank destroyers are back, baby ~~awoooo~~ https://twitter.com/UKDefJournal/status/1172570100647510016?s=19
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Schadenboner posted:If you want to keep him around you have to be able to get the son castrated-but-alive, the father dead (because otherwise the son will just plot against him, the -100 "Castrated Me" penalty is non-expiring) I mean no poo poo I wouldn't forgive and forget either  Edit: you can't fool me, that's an LRM carrier
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Going by damage output it's clearly an SRM carrier.
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Is it an All New Doctrinal Vehicle or is it meant to be Swingfire Mark II?
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It's significantly different. Swingfire is a SACLOS missile. Brimstone is fire-and-forget and will be fired indirectly, possibly with the aid of UAV spotting though not required.
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Brimstone is a good name for a missile
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:and will be fired indirectly, possibly with the aid of UAV spotting though not required. Like I said, LRM not SRM 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's significantly different. Swingfire is a SACLOS missile. Brimstone is fire-and-forget and will be fired indirectly, possibly with the aid of UAV spotting though not required.
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so's your source. Also that article is terrible. It blames the US for the Rwandan Genocide, for God's sake. It ignores that the USSR overthrew its own client state in Afghanistan. It ignores all expansionism by the USSR or China. It downplays the genocide in the former Yugoslavia. also even this article proves my original point, which was that 1946-2001 was also violent and terrible, and that right now is better than any of it HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Big Epstein Fan Pinker
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We've had this argument last thread, seems pointless to repeat it. EDIT: Like if people *really* wanna talk about this, I for one would be more interested in hearing what people would otherwise propose as a lost global golden age. Then we can actually talk about history. Fangz fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Sep 13, 2019 20:04
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Fangz posted:We've had this argument last thread, seems pointless to repeat it. The Age of the Tank Destroyer was the true golden age.
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isn't globalresearch the antivaxx-hawking site? edit: okay, no, they just publish a lot of anti-establishment stuff and i was just familiar with them from some really odious vaccine takes that got passed around recently in california, my bad Reiterpallasch fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Sep 13, 2019 20:38
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If you’re a white heterosexual cis male there’s an argument for ~1871 - 1913. Edit: also specific edge cases involving people who weren’t discriminated against as badly in specific cultural/historical contexts. But those are cherry picking some specific cultural differences across societies and time rather than looking at the general state of things.
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Cyrano4747 posted:If you’re a white heterosexual cis male there’s an argument for ~1871 - 1913. This dies in 1914 though. (1917 for the latecomers, 1919 for the people who couldn't be there in person)
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Like, if I was a trans male (maybe intersex) I’d probably prefer to be a [url= https://allthatsinteresting.com/casimir-pulaski]18th century polish aristocrat from an apparently tolerant, privileged, and well connected family[/url] than a poor POC of similar identity today.
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You could have chosen any number of critical rebuttals of Pinker's arguments published in any number of completely respectable newspapers and academic publications, so why this poo poo? Just go through R. Brian Ferguson's research or something, gently caress.
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bewbies posted:I'm reading Master and Commander, and of course a lot of the book revolves around HMS Sophie's guns. Her main battery are 4 pounders. This seems almost...uselessly small to me? Contemporary ships of the line had a mix of 18 and 36 pounders, and even land-based guns during the Civil War were most commonly 12 pounders. The 4 pound gun weighed only a bit more than a 24 pound carronade, but had a much better range than carronades, so the Speedy class ships could have harassed merchant ships armed only with carronades. And they were built for speed so they could have escaped most of their enemies. I read the Wikipedia article for HMS Speedy, and found out that Napoleon sold her to the Papal Navy! Pity that O'Brien didn't put that in the book 
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Siivola posted:You could have chosen any number of critical rebuttals of Pinker's arguments published in any number of completely respectable newspapers and academic publications, so why this poo poo? Just go through R. Brian Ferguson's research or something, gently caress. Yeah, that one has so much baggage that it feels like the baggage is the point. Which of the articles in your link would be better, Siivola?
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ChubbyChecker posted:I read the Wikipedia article for HMS Speedy, and found out that Napoleon sold her to the Papal Navy! Pity that O'Brien didn't put that in the book
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FrangibleCover posted:Makes sense, after fighting a 32-gun xebec-frigate and then getting captured you'd expect her to be quite holy.
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xthetenth posted:Which of the articles in your link would be better, Siivola?
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You're unironically citing global research in a history thread? They're a loving conspiracy rag.
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Siivola posted:Oh, sorry, I left that part out. " Pinker's List: Exaggerating Prehistoric War Mortality" and "The Prehistory of War and Peace in Europe and the Near East" are two chapters published in the book War, Peace and Human Nature (ed. Douglas P. Fry, 2009) and directly address Better Angels. Eh, I'm skeptical of turning to prehistory to counter Pinker since that time period is the least relevant to what Pinker is talking about, and also the period we are most uncertain about in terms of what it was actually like.
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Fangz posted:Eh, I'm skeptical of turning to prehistory to counter Pinker since that time period is the least relevant to what Pinker is talking about, and also the period we are most uncertain about in terms of what it was actually like. And also if you're going to argue that things are better in prehistoric times than they are now that seems like a pretty hard row to hoe. I like missing out on a large number of deaths that are routinely and easily prevented today.
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