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Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development

TheAgent posted:

ZDFCon. seriously. the gently caress

Credit to Rexzilla, he knows how to milk the wallets of backers :laffo:


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Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?

Lladre posted:

Is Death Stranding worth charging my ps4 controller for?

Death Stranding is very similar to Star Citizen, in that it's a game about carrying boxes while dealing with terrain that can kill you at any minute with an avatar you barely control that exists largely to let its creator capture the likenesses of famous people. Death Stranding is slightly different to Star Citizen, in that you can reliably pick up the boxes and the terrain kills you because you fall and not because you clip through it. Unfortunately, having released, the quality of the game now paints its creator in a light that dreams cannot fix.

In conclusion, if you like Star Citizen you'll probably like Death Stranding. Buy an Idris.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

precision posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if Chris eventually just tries to buy out Hello Games so they can "help" "finish" the "game"
Hello Games has made almost twice what CIG has in less than half the time

it'd be the other fuckin way around

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012


Rex should not skip leg day, dude looks like a toddler below the knees

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

TheAgent posted:

Hello Games has made almost twice what CIG has in less than half the time

it'd be the other fuckin way around

If Hello bought out the rights and actually made the game I would buy it day 1 no questions asked

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
I want to remind people that the $35m a year or whatever CIG brings in is absolutely abysmal in terms of revenue for a AAA game.

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

TheAgent posted:

I want to remind people that the $35m a year or whatever CIG brings in is absolutely abysmal in terms of revenue for a AAA game.

True. Pretty good revenue for a unreleased game though.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
It's about average for an Evangelical Megachurch, so that tracks

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


All those super serious facial expressions and crossed arms for video games.

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Elderbean posted:

All those super serious facial expressions and crossed arms for video games.

I love how all of them are trying to look tough in their boxers. it's like at least put on some drat trousers if your'e gonna make faces.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

Drunk Theory posted:

True. Pretty good revenue for a unreleased game though.
the sakura clicker softcore porn games make just about as much every single year.

I wish I was loving joking.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
and since my research into porn games (and creating one) lead me down into some interesting number poo poo because as a german auditor thats just how I do:

patreon porn games (that are visible) make more than $20m a year in donations, with top games earning as much as $50k/mo

some games featuring content that patreon blocks go around this by having content releases on "files" sites, with links to the donation pages or bitcoin wallets -- these unseen and often borderline illegal games bring in tons of money but I don't have an easy way of researching this poo poo, but talking to some people they probably make more than double what is visible to the outside world. they also accept other digital items (csgo was huge until recently, go figure) and star citizen ships. seriously.

so $35m a year and outside investors and all this poo poo for loving star citizen, of all things, is loving hilarious. they just need a dude producing 400+ renders of one of their AAA cast members loving a gizrackian lizard or whatever and they'd probably make $100m+ a year

TheAgent fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Nov 14, 2019

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018


I just despise all of the fake shallow "community" bullshit that props up around games, and of course its taken to an extra ridiculous level in Star Citizen, because ZDF is formed around a paid professional shill whose contract just expired.

Like I've been part of clans before, but it was always just a group of guys I could jump into a match which once and while, not some mystical teary-eyed brotherhood where we all got together in embarrassing clothes and tried to look tough for the camera. Find people at work or in your actual physical community who need friends, there are plenty of them in this socially atomized oligarchical dystopia we live in.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
poo poo, I'm gonna start making anime porn games

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

TheAgent posted:

and since my research into porn games (and creating one) lead me down into some interesting number poo poo because as a german auditor thats just how I do:

patreon porn games (that are visible) make more than $20m a year in donations, with top games earning as much as $50k/mo

so $35m a year and outside investors and all this poo poo for loving star citizen, of all things, is loving hilarious. they just need a dude producing 400+ renders of one of their AAA cast members loving a gizrackian lizard or whatever and they'd probably make $100m+ a year

It's funny to me that CIG never really went down that route, considering their core neckbeard demographic. The citizens are always calling for every sort of weird and creepy sexuality imaginable to be put into the game. But what exists of the SC "universe" is bizarrely sexless and sterile to the point of going to the other extreme. Maybe Chris is just prudish or the people at CIG know just how loathsome some of their whales are and don't want to open that door even a crack.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
I'll probably make more money producing game porn than I ever would as a somewhat terrible sql/python/vba data guy

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

colonelwest posted:

It's funny to me that CIG never really went down that route, considering their core neckbeard demographic. The citizens are always calling for every sort of weird and creepy sexuality imaginable to be put into the game. But what exists of the SC "universe" is bizarrely sexless and sterile to the point of going to the other extreme. Maybe Chris is just prudish or the people at CIG know just how loathsome some of their whales are and don't want to open that door even a crack.
you should read or listen to what it took to make two characters in the last of us 2 kiss during a cutscene and then ask yourself if the 24 year old senior mocap producer at CIG could ever loving do that ever

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
jesus christ they can't even get their loving character models to fuckin blink right

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Adding in weird sex stuff is something I'm sure they've thought of and they're probably just waiting until interest dries up to talk about it

But they'll make it try to sound harmless. Like they'll brag about how their tech is so good that every npc and player is "fully modeled" and then say something about being able to individually control each part of the players body and people will reach the obvious conclusion

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

TheAgent posted:

you should read or listen to what it took to make two characters in the last of us 2 kiss during a cutscene and then ask yourself if the 24 year old senior mocap producer at CIG could ever loving do that ever

Yeah Mass Effect style sexy time is probably not on the cards right now, but I don't know... A space strip club where the dancers seductively clip through the poles and floors? Or some sexy adverts of something to make the seedy underbelly of space they love to constantly loving allude to seem like its actually seedy?

colonelwest fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Nov 14, 2019

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

TheAgent posted:

I'll probably make more money producing game porn than I ever would as a somewhat terrible sql/python/vba data guy

As it should be

Gamesguy
Sep 7, 2010

Lladre posted:

Is Death Stranding worth charging my ps4 controller for?

I don't feel like looking for the cable.

Do you have a burning desire to work as a mail carrier?

It's one of those games better played on youtube.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

colonelwest posted:

Yeah Mass Effect style sexy time is probably not on the cards right now, but I don't know... A space strip club where the dancers seductively clip through the poles and floors? Or some sexy adverts of something to make the seedy underbelly of space they love to constantly loving allude to seem like its actually seedy?

Interesting point - it never really occurred to me. Chris is always stealing the Blade Runner type look and feel for his "seedy" areas. Problem was, in Blade Runner, you knew there were strip clubs and hookers around every corner, even if you didn't see them on screen. And of course you saw plenty of them onscreen too. But in Star Citizen, the patron saint of games for sexual deviants, it's completely sexless. A strip club is about the only thing you know for a fact isn't behind any of those neon-light doors and smoking vents. I see it more like that scene in Attack of the Clones where Obi-wan and Anakin walk into that bar and get offered some weird space drug - it just has that feel of an 80s special that is made to warn kids about drugs or something, but technically still has to be safe and kid-friendly. Even when Chris is creating an area that's supposed to be black-market dangerous and criminal, it's simplistic and infantile.

Bronze Fonz
Feb 14, 2019




Elderbean posted:

All those super serious facial expressions and crossed arms for video games.

What the gently caress do these guys do in SC besides taking screenshots, trying to carry a box across an empty galaxy star system and float through broken elevators?

Like, what does the "organization" actually do that warrants meet ups, much less an organization/clan/space circle jerk or whatever?

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


Can gamer goons stop acting like playing a shooty game is the same thing as hunting a wild boar with your bare hands?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Bronze Fonz posted:

What the gently caress do these guys do in SC besides taking screenshots, trying to carry a box across an empty galaxy star system and float through broken elevators?

Like, what does the "organization" actually do that warrants meet ups, much less an organization/clan/space circle jerk or whatever?

They hang out and talk about poo poo. At this point they're like a support group.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

TheAgent posted:

I want to remind people that the $35m a year or whatever CIG brings in is absolutely abysmal in terms of revenue for a AAA game.

I want to remind people that whatever AAA games bring in is absolutely abysmal in terms of revenue for freemium mobile games.

trucutru fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Nov 14, 2019

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



TheAgent posted:

I want to remind people that the $35m a year or whatever CIG brings in is absolutely abysmal in terms of revenue for a AAA game.
Yeah, it's nothing.

That's why they cling to crowd funding, although "selling poo poo in a webstore" being crowd funding casts a wide net

Is Steam crowdfunding???

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016

Bronze Fonz posted:

What the gently caress do these guys do in SC besides taking screenshots, trying to carry a box across an empty galaxy star system and float through broken elevators?

Like, what does the "organization" actually do that warrants meet ups, much less an organization/clan/space circle jerk or whatever?

There is a lot of rubbing involved.

TheDarkFlame
May 4, 2013

You tell me I didn't build that?

I'll have you know I worked my fingers to the bone to get where I am today.

Gamesguy posted:

Do you have a burning desire to work as a mail carrier?

It's one of those games better played on youtube.

Well the PS4 thread has a fair few people who are really enjoying the game, its atmosphere and its actual mechanics. Apparently delivery quests, walking simulators and inventory management can be interesting gameplay features if your game is designed around systems that make it compelling and challenging, and rewarding to progress with. In most games that poo poo is jammed in there to either fill time or limit and frustrate the player, but posters there say it works well and does some interesting things if you're into it.

Admittedly an appreciable amount of them are the sort that will say Kojima is insane and/or a massive idiot but gladly play anything he makes, and even they agree his exposition is so overt and bad even for him that it has to be intentionally overdoing it for some reason. It seems to have some very big ideas it wants to get across about how people are disconnected from the world around them or something, but it is still Kojima so... Well, one of the characters is named Deadman and another is Diehardman. He's been like this for decades probably, Metal Gear has a number of these. It's also got his usual problem with lengthy cutscenes.

I haven't seen if anyone's finished it yet to get a more complete post-game opinion of everything but that lot are generally alright, and they're into it enough that even the critics in the thread are hiding their spoilers and discussing what Kojima is trying to do rather than making GBS threads all over the game and anyone who likes it. Some of the things people posted made it clear it's weird and apparently has some inexplicable Monster energy product placement, but they're enjoying it, so I'll trust them that it's not an empty shell of hyped up auteur garbage.

While it's not one I'd play, it's definitely a game, even if fun is apparently not the right word for it. There's mechanics and features to work with, things actually happen as you progress through it and the game seems to you know actually function. Star Citizen has a lot of work to do to catch up with what is apparently the Gran Turismo of delivery quests and walking simulators.

Anyway I hope the SC thread enjoyed my second-hand report of Death Stranding, an actual video game where you carry boxes across a landscape and sometimes run into lovingly rendered actors and celebrities.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

colonelwest posted:

It's funny to me that CIG never really went down that route, considering their core neckbeard demographic. The citizens are always calling for every sort of weird and creepy sexuality imaginable to be put into the game. But what exists of the SC "universe" is bizarrely sexless and sterile to the point of going to the other extreme. Maybe Chris is just prudish or the people at CIG know just how loathsome some of their whales are and don't want to open that door even a crack.

Almost certainly the latter - they remember the Wulge and backers asking for photos of Chelsea's feet.

Plus of course Chris fully expects a vast mainstream audience to materialize on release, better not scare them off.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Zzr posted:

There is a lot of rubbing involved.

You mean turborubbing.

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"
Canopies. The new doors?


PROSPECTOR COCKPIT GLASS GETTING BLOWN OFF WHEN MINING




COLLECTE DEAD COMANDER



quote:

STEPS TO REPRODUCE

kill some ship
look for dead people
find them
lock them
go trouth them
make them in to my ship

ACTUAL RESULT


i collect dead peapole


EXPECTED RESULT


smesh them whith my ship


WORKAROUND


cane you repet the questio

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Scruffpuff posted:

Interesting point - it never really occurred to me. Chris is always stealing the Blade Runner type look and feel for his "seedy" areas. Problem was, in Blade Runner, you knew there were strip clubs and hookers around every corner, even if you didn't see them on screen. And of course you saw plenty of them onscreen too. But in Star Citizen, the patron saint of games for sexual deviants, it's completely sexless. A strip club is about the only thing you know for a fact isn't behind any of those neon-light doors and smoking vents. I see it more like that scene in Attack of the Clones where Obi-wan and Anakin walk into that bar and get offered some weird space drug - it just has that feel of an 80s special that is made to warn kids about drugs or something, but technically still has to be safe and kid-friendly. Even when Chris is creating an area that's supposed to be black-market dangerous and criminal, it's simplistic and infantile.
Everything I've seen about SC looks bland and generic. It all seems like someone took pieces from various genres or IPs, because those pieces look cool and not because they want to create an atmosphere or tell a story. Of course everything in future must look like it's made from bolted steel (desks with bolts? sure why not), of course alien ships look more organic, smooth and asymmetric than blocky human ship (why? no one knows! it just looks different enough), of course evil guys have spiky armor and spiky teeth (although SS wore Boss), of course future looks a bit like Blade Runner (but without any hint of dystopia), of course we will have sand(i) worms, because they look cool. Why? Everyone else does it and people like it, no other reason to it, no meaning. It's like populism of game-development.

Dwesa fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Nov 14, 2019

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

his nibs posted:

I'd like to think that some day, when the time is right* the fav posters will return for a goodbye rooftop gig.






*CIG shuttering the offices

Barbecue party at Uncle Derek's?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Elderbean posted:

Can gamer goons stop acting like playing a shooty game is the same thing as hunting a wild boar with your bare hands?

Please, I only hunt with my Star Citizen-themed AR-15

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Saw this in the in the Dwarf Fortress thread today

https://twitter.com/eigenbom/status/1194769143221772288

See, so in comparison Star Citizen is way ahead of schedule.

ZekeNY
Jun 13, 2013

Probably AFK
Star Citizen: cane you repet the questio

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his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

Beexoffel posted:

Barbecue party at Uncle Derek's?

Who could resist Derek's sausage

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