Mr.PayDay posted:

It is beyond me how the SC “defenders” just can’t - literally - see it: SC is last gen graphics, and Cyperpunk might set the bar an inch higher, again, as well.

My explanation: Many of the SC backers did not play Games (especially not on Ultra Settings ) the last years.

Mailer posted:

This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become.

Mr.PayDay posted:

Star Citizen: 2500+ days in development without a game developed

MilesK posted:

Sandi is an interactive character who seems to be the veteran hotshot with attitude.

Beet Wagon posted:

Because for as much as they like to claim "ReAlIsTiC sPaCe SiM" everything Chris Roberts has ever done has been a ripoff of some movie or another and having tons of SPACE FOG is cinematic as hell

Mailer posted:

This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become.

ggangensis posted:

However, Citizens seem to be stuck in that world most of us left in their teenage days and think that some fidelity and gimmick-y features make a good and enjoyable game. Basically, that whole thing died with the scope increase and everyone still giving them money at this point deserves it.

Elderbean posted:

This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories.

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“Looks like they are keeping S42 under tight wraps while showing off with SC. That teaser definitely showed more game assets then what they have been showing in their SC demos. Still hyped going into 2020, its gonna be a great year.”

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“I can't describe how much I appreciate all of the work you have put into this. just thank you so much and merry christmas to all of you at CIG.”

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“starts getting tired of waiting yesterday, watches new trailer today Alright Chris, I'll keep waiting.”

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”Beautiful. love how this game is maturing with the times, never looks dated and the cut scenes match the gameplay. The slow cook method is paying off big time!! It looked promising from the start. Now we enter the age of machine learning and augmented reality, the future looks bright.”

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“So, does this mean we can expect news about the Squadron in the near future...? The roadmap hasn't been meaningfully touched since the swap over to staggered dev, and since then with the roadmap floundering, a lot of the community has become rather disillusioned since the lack of news implies delays being needed as little progress has been observable. This is supported by you announcing yet more resources being redirected from much needed gameplay loop features in the PU to help get SQ 42 out.

Everything is beautiful, but a more meaningful comment on the state of things would be much preferred. It doesn't have to be huge, if we could just get an idea of whether or not the 3 month delay announced in July will suffice, or whether the Squadron will need more time.

CIG spent Citizen Con delivering a message that the depth of gameplay needs to match the fidelity of the visuals. Leading into the new year i hope you stick to that, and would love to have some information as to what we can expect to see in Squadron, and when at least ballpark we can expect to see it. At this moment people think it's coming at the end of next year, and I'd prefer this didn't become another one of those way optimistic timelines that people trot out to rub it in the faces of your dedicated community.”

G0RF posted:

So...

Chris tossed out that Squadron 42 visuals hodgepodge for one reason only. He did it to change the Squadron 42 narrative that he himself created with their catastrophic 2019 roadmap.

The citizenry, unsurprisingly, reacted in ecstasy. Many of the same would’ve been grousing about things only a couple of weeks ago. Reddit threads about Squadron have been full of these sorts of lines for months.

“Why won’t they tell us anything?”

With the hodgepodge, Chris told them exactly nothing except that he’d recently seen a Marvel movie. Even so, the hodgepodge was a top 50 YouTube trender with nearly 400k views so far. Chris is surely happy to see these sorts of comments in reply:





Yes, machine learning... (You’re the machine, bro, learning to get excited by the “augmented reality” that everything is great in Squadron land.)

Alas, there are realists in the mix, too:


There’s a few of these sorts even in the most rhapsodic of crowds. Their sensible requests will be ignored as they always are.

The important thing is that the surprise release of new visuals (on Christmas Day no less) has distracted the masses from the depressing message conveyed by the roadmap — that Squadron 42 will NOT be releasing by Summer 2020 (their original claim with the Calder PR tour), nor will the Beta be ready by Summer 2020 (their downgraded target after the buzz from their original one faded.)

With this montage, Chris has primed them for the least surprising bad news in the history of CIG, “Squadron 42 will be late (again).” The montage is the spoon full of sugar to help the medicine go down, and having swallowed it, they’ll be getting their medicine soon enough. Methinks a good time for that would be early in the new year. A special Chris Roberts cameo on Inside Star Citizen, or perhaps a guest appearance on a new RTV (if Chris has the guts.)

It’ll be a “good news bad news” thing, as it always is, with Chris harkening back to the teaser often. Talking about SSOCS, or how Planet Tech 5.0 is critical for Squadron, or some other plausible sounding excuse for why a game originally due in 2014 and promised most years since now needs yet more time to get “just right.”

Maybe new consoles will get invoked as a new goalpost. Maybe new investments will get discussed “because we only get one chance to do this right.”

Whatever the particulars, it’ll just be yet another hostage negotiation with the Stockholm Syndrome Society. He won’t be negotiating for a release, he’ll be negotiating for a delay, and like the helpless wussies they are, the majority will only too happily accede to Chris’s pleadings. In so doing, he’ll be arming his loyal zealots with the cudgels they’ll need to beat back the whiners when new Roadmaps telegraph yet more delays.

(Well, that’s what I think is gonna happen anyway.)

Elderbean posted:

This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories.

Mailer posted:

I don't mind cinematics. There's obviously the MGS 4 Death Stranding Exception where it's a goddamn feature-length movie, but in general I'm happy to take a break and sip my drink while stuff happens. I absolutely prefer them to the popular modern alternative. Those moments where they lock you into a slow walking animation and your interaction is limited to pressing forward, sometimes to follow an NPC, while the game tries its best to make you look at the canned scene that's playing out somewhere on screen. See the intro town walkthrough in The Last of Us or... basically all of Red Dead Redemption 2. That poo poo is as much gameplay as SC is a space sim.

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In line with your goalpost shift, it's true that initial dates changed due to scope creep, but this is scope creep that the backers were polled on and overwhelmingly voted in favor of.

Dementropy posted:

Lets be fair though - Bethesda/Zenimax would give Todd Howard's left and right nuts to have access to the StarEngine CIG is using to make Star Citizen for their games like Elder Scrolls - Fallout and Starfield.

A Fuckwit on Frontier Forums posted:

I just popped back into this thread to see the reaction based on the incredible progress in the latest patch. The opinions seem unchanged and pretty irrational. It's human nature. Once they invest so much in a position nothing is likely to change their minds.

The progress has been slow but it does seem to be picking up speed. There's plenty to criticize but it's hard to deny that it's done things on a scale we've never seen before.

I own the game but haven't installed it in years. I don't have time for non-VR games but when this gets a bit more stable I might give it a try.

Grubby Hobo posted:

Wow. I wonder if my life would be happier if I were that easy to please.

Paladinus posted:

Hey! Was just wondering, how much will it cost me to buy a Christmas-themed hat in the game?

Mr.PayDay posted:

???
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13971-Letter-From-The-Chairman-47-Million

"Speaking of stretch goals, last time around we put their future up to a vote. 54% of Citizens voted that we should continue to offer goals, and we’re going to honor that choice."

It is amazing how they change the narrative and truth. Chris Roberts is a liar, so the SC White Knights have no reason NOT to lie as well.
It is the essence of all Joe Blobers, Cymelion etc posting etc.
Ignoring reality, defending a dream and pretending that the POS PTU with 42 fps and janky broken animations is state of the art like we have 2014 again, and just pretend SQ42 is well on track.
Exactly, that SQ42, that we only got "videos" and "trailers" of. I would love to see a playable demo/slice/part, spoilerfree, just as a PROOF they have developed ANYTHING on a Mass Effect level from a decade ago.

precision posted:

See, this is why I really hope the game comes out. I'm sure it's comedy gold

Elderbean posted:

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hopefully CRs physics rework will sort it all out.

Bofast posted:

I think Planescape Torment or some similar game had rat enemies that got smarter and more dangerous (to the point of casting spells?) the more there were in the same small area. I guess Citizens become dumber and/or more crazy the more of them there are in the same online forum?
Edit: old backers who woke up and left not included, of course

Mr.PayDay posted:

???
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13971-Letter-From-The-Chairman-47-Million

"Speaking of stretch goals, last time around we put their future up to a vote. 54% of Citizens voted that we should continue to offer goals, and we’re going to honor that choice."

It is amazing how they change the narrative and truth. Chris Roberts is a liar, so the SC White Knights have no reason NOT to lie as well.
It is the essence of all Joe Blobers, Cymelion etc posting etc.
Ignoring reality, defending a dream and pretending that the POS PTU with 42 fps and janky broken animations is state of the art like we have 2014 again, and just pretend SQ42 is well on track.
Exactly, that SQ42, that we only got "videos" and "trailers" of. I would love to see a playable demo/slice/part, spoilerfree, just as a PROOF they have developed ANYTHING on a Mass Effect level from a decade ago.

Elderbean posted:

This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories.

I no longer have the link, but there was a fascinating blog about a developer who worked for Active Worlds, a virtual world that predated Second Life. Investors wanted to create a virtual mall in this primitive 3D chat program and they had no idea what the limitations on the average user were. They looked at pre-rendered footage of virtual lobbies and assumed users would be able to navigate them in real time, walk into virtual stores, grab digital items off of shelves, place them in their simulated carts, and walk to the next store. They were so focused on making a SIMULATION it never occurred to them that

A. It wasn't possible.
B. It ignored all the advantages of online shopping entirely.

It reminded me so much of Star Citizen. Stupid goals, SIMULATIONS, and lots of money.

Mailer posted:

This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become.

Pixelate posted:

[SQ42] Bug - Every Time I Change Gear, My Gun Gets Bigger



bigger

Pixelate posted:

what’s going on now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSZQ7yXD3w

3.8 seems to have broken entity scale or something. Full vid here: TINY STAR CITIZEN!!!

Pixelate posted:

what’s going on now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSZQ7yXD3w

3.8 seems to have broken entity scale or something. Full vid here: TINY STAR CITIZEN!!!

Agony Aunt posted:

Remember when CR said increasing the scope wouldn't delay release?

Good times.