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Mr.PayDay posted:It is beyond me how the SC “defenders” just can’t - literally - see it: SC is last gen graphics, and Cyperpunk might set the bar an inch higher, again, as well. This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become.
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Just a reminder to anyone who didn’t see the 2016 leaked sq42 script or the vertical slice video that confirmed its real. Full Burn is a totally real song that NPCs will be singing and Sandi is an interactive character who seems to be the veteran hotshot with attitude.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 01:37 |
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Mailer posted:This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become. True, and this is a fact I find quite interesting. I mean, who didn't fantasize with his friends after school about "cool" game ideas, like "Counter Strike with completely destructible environment and vehicles!" because we played that Half-Life Mod and read an article about the first Red Faction. Or even tried to make games, back then in form of a Quake 3 "mod" where we increased the firing rate of the MG by increasing some number and loaded other weapon models. But we were about 15yrs old at that time and, as we all grew older, got a "feeling" about what a game can do and what not. I remember reading some Ultima 9 preview in a magazine, "see this mountain on the horizon? You can walk up to it if you want", instead of unreachable skyboxes we all knew from Quake. Yeah, this was mind blowing, nowadays it is totally standard and in all honesty, such open worlds did not contribute much to gaming in my opinion because up to this day they mostly feel bland and empty. You can always feel the artificial nature of it and the limitations. Then we saw dynamic day/night cycles, gigantic procedural worlds, nearly photo realistic graphics, branching stories, ... but in the end it all still felt gamey. But you know what? This is okay because after all, these are video games. However, this fact seems to be completely lost on the Citizens. They really believe (or 'dream') that CR removes all these gamey elements: Real snow on spaceships, no artificial and limiting maps, real, working escalators and unlimited detail down to whiskey physics and nothing less than a living universe. This in itself is completely insane, not just from an economical perspective, but because it puts emphasis on things that are completely irrelevant to a fun game. However, Citizens seem to be stuck in that world most of us left in their teenage days and think that some fidelity and gimmick-y features make a good and enjoyable game. Basically, that whole thing died with the scope increase and everyone still giving them money at this point deserves it.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 02:17 |
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Mr.PayDay posted:Star Citizen: 2500+ days in development without a game developed
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 02:19 |
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MilesK posted:Sandi is an interactive character who seems to be the veteran hotshot with attitude. See, this is why I really hope the game comes out. I'm sure it's comedy gold
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 04:06 |
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Beet Wagon posted:Because for as much as they like to claim "ReAlIsTiC sPaCe SiM" everything Chris Roberts has ever done has been a ripoff of some movie or another and having tons of SPACE FOG is cinematic as hell space fog hides a lot of poo poo too
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 04:09 |
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Mailer posted:This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become. Are you trying to imply this is a bad thing?
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 04:23 |
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ggangensis posted:However, Citizens seem to be stuck in that world most of us left in their teenage days and think that some fidelity and gimmick-y features make a good and enjoyable game. Basically, that whole thing died with the scope increase and everyone still giving them money at this point deserves it. This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories. I no longer have the link, but there was a fascinating blog about a developer who worked for Active Worlds, a virtual world that predated Second Life. Investors wanted to create a virtual mall in this primitive 3D chat program and they had no idea what the limitations on the average user were. They looked at pre-rendered footage of virtual lobbies and assumed users would be able to navigate them in real time, walk into virtual stores, grab digital items off of shelves, place them in their simulated carts, and walk to the next store. They were so focused on making a SIMULATION it never occurred to them that A. It wasn't possible. B. It ignored all the advantages of online shopping entirely. It reminded me so much of Star Citizen. Stupid goals, SIMULATIONS, and lots of money. Elderbean fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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Elderbean posted:This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories. I basically agree with that, but FF nostalgia makes me want to carve out an exception for overwrought anime style cutscenes. A cutscene with Gary Parpman, with Cloud-style hair, on a Chocobo, would really make me look at SQ42 in a new way.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 05:43 |
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I just came here to remind everyone to call their parents and that anime is good.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 05:47 |
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Hope everyone had a very merry christmas spent with friends and/or family and if you didnt why the gently caress didnt you message me so i could chill with you while we play through Halo Reach or gently caress around in Warframe or some poo poo?
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 07:14 |
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So... Chris tossed out that Squadron 42 visuals hodgepodge for one reason only. He did it to change the Squadron 42 narrative that he himself created with their catastrophic 2019 roadmap. The citizenry, unsurprisingly, reacted in ecstasy. Many of the same would’ve been grousing about things only a couple of weeks ago. Reddit threads about Squadron have been full of these sorts of lines for months. “Why won’t they tell us anything?” With the hodgepodge, Chris told them exactly nothing except that he’d recently seen a Marvel movie. Even so, the hodgepodge was a top 50 YouTube trender with nearly 400k views so far. Chris is surely happy to see these sorts of comments in reply: quote:“Looks like they are keeping S42 under tight wraps while showing off with SC. That teaser definitely showed more game assets then what they have been showing in their SC demos. Still hyped going into 2020, its gonna be a great year.” quote:“I can't describe how much I appreciate all of the work you have put into this. just thank you so much and merry christmas to all of you at CIG.” quote:“starts getting tired of waiting yesterday, watches new trailer today Alright Chris, I'll keep waiting.” quote:”Beautiful. love how this game is maturing with the times, never looks dated and the cut scenes match the gameplay. The slow cook method is paying off big time!! It looked promising from the start. Now we enter the age of machine learning and augmented reality, the future looks bright.” Yes, machine learning... (You’re the machine, bro, learning to get excited by the “augmented reality” that everything is great in Squadron land.) Alas, there are realists in the mix, too: quote:“So, does this mean we can expect news about the Squadron in the near future...? The roadmap hasn't been meaningfully touched since the swap over to staggered dev, and since then with the roadmap floundering, a lot of the community has become rather disillusioned since the lack of news implies delays being needed as little progress has been observable. This is supported by you announcing yet more resources being redirected from much needed gameplay loop features in the PU to help get SQ 42 out. There’s a few of these sorts even in the most rhapsodic of crowds. Their sensible requests will be ignored as they always are. The important thing is that the surprise release of new visuals (on Christmas Day no less) has distracted the masses from the depressing message conveyed by the roadmap — that Squadron 42 will NOT be releasing by Summer 2020 (their original claim with the Calder PR tour), nor will the Beta be ready by Summer 2020 (their downgraded target after the buzz from their original one faded.) With this montage, Chris has primed them for the least surprising bad news in the history of CIG, “Squadron 42 will be late (again).” The montage is the spoon full of sugar to help the medicine go down, and having swallowed it, they’ll be getting their medicine soon enough. Methinks a good time for that would be early in the new year. A special Chris Roberts cameo on Inside Star Citizen, or perhaps a guest appearance on a new RTV (if Chris has the guts.) It’ll be a “good news bad news” thing, as it always is, with Chris harkening back to the teaser often. Talking about SSOCS, or how Planet Tech 5.0 is critical for Squadron, or some other plausible sounding excuse for why a game originally due in 2014 and promised most years since now needs yet more time to get “just right.” Maybe new consoles will get invoked as a new goalpost. Maybe new investments will get discussed “because we only get one chance to do this right.” Whatever the particulars, it’ll just be yet another hostage negotiation with the Stockholm Syndrome Society. He won’t be negotiating for a release, he’ll be negotiating for a delay, and like the helpless wussies they are, the majority will only too happily accede to Chris’s pleadings. In so doing, he’ll be arming his loyal zealots with the cudgels they’ll need to beat back the whiners when new Roadmaps telegraph yet more delays. (Well, that’s what I think is gonna happen anyway.)
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 07:20 |
G0RF posted:So... Hey, remember when we used to joke about a 2020-2024 release date and the spergs would lose their absolute poo poo? Yeah. Good times.
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Elderbean posted:This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories. I don't mind cinematics. There's obviously the
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 08:09 |
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Mailer posted:I don't mind cinematics. There's obviously the I'd also rather have a cutscene than a quicktime event. I'd also prefer not to have my control taken away than either of those, regardless of how "cinematic" they are. I'm playing a loving game, not watching a movie. But if you're gonna give me cutscenes come hell or high water, let me sit back and watch them without occasionally tossing bullshit prompts my way to give the illusion of involvement. Dragon's Lair got old about 15 minutes after it hit arcades.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 08:11 |
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quote:In line with your goalpost shift, it's true that initial dates changed due to scope creep, but this is scope creep that the backers were polled on and overwhelmingly voted in favor of. ??? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13971-Letter-From-The-Chairman-47-Million "Speaking of stretch goals, last time around we put their future up to a vote. 54% of Citizens voted that we should continue to offer goals, and we’re going to honor that choice." It is amazing how they change the narrative and truth. Chris Roberts is a liar, so the SC White Knights have no reason NOT to lie as well. It is the essence of all Joe Blobers, Cymelion etc posting etc. Ignoring reality, defending a dream and pretending that the POS PTU with 42 fps and janky broken animations is state of the art like we have 2014 again, and just pretend SQ42 is well on track. Exactly, that SQ42, that we only got "videos" and "trailers" of. I would love to see a playable demo/slice/part, spoilerfree, just as a PROOF they have developed ANYTHING on a Mass Effect level from a decade ago.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 10:03 |
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Dementropy posted:
"Good news, everyone! We're finally getting a new engine! No more Gamebryo!" *finger on monkey's paw curls down*
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 10:44 |
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A Fuckwit on Frontier Forums posted:I just popped back into this thread to see the reaction based on the incredible progress in the latest patch. The opinions seem unchanged and pretty irrational. It's human nature. Once they invest so much in a position nothing is likely to change their minds. The quintessential Citizer.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 11:38 |
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Grubby Hobo posted:Wow. I wonder if my life would be happier if I were that easy to please. Just test the Idriss in a free swim week. Once the happyness is implemented, even the tier 0 will make you feels good.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 11:45 |
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Paladinus posted:Hey! Was just wondering, how much will it cost me to buy a Christmas-themed hat in the game? There is no game.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 11:59 |
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Mr.PayDay posted:??? This whole "but the citizens wanted the scope creep!" in itself is laughable. You don't ask
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 12:20 |
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precision posted:See, this is why I really hope the game comes out. I'm sure it's comedy gold I want to see some of sandi's ig scenes before ELE come to fruition. That will be my wish for next year.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 12:22 |
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With Ben's commentaries.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 12:24 |
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quote:hopefully CRs physics rework will sort it all out.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 12:58 |
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[SQ42] Bug - Every Time I Change Gear, My Gun Gets Bigger bigger
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 13:10 |
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Big Head Mode? No, Big Gun Mode! Other game devs could learn a lot from CIG. They're including easter eggs that the rest of the industry hasn't even conceived of yet.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 13:12 |
I can't wait until some form of squadron 42 is released and every citizen tries to convince themselves that actually they love escort missions or whatever old bullshit mission design that undoubtedly is the foundation of whatever they will end up releasing.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 13:16 |
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I think Planescape Torment or some similar game had rat enemies that got smarter and more dangerous (to the point of casting spells?) the more there were in the same small area. I guess Citizens become dumber and/or more crazy the more of them there are in the same online forum? Edit: old backers who woke up and left not included, of course
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 13:40 |
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Bofast posted:I think Planescape Torment or some similar game had rat enemies that got smarter and more dangerous (to the point of casting spells?) the more there were in the same small area. I guess Citizens become dumber and/or more crazy the more of them there are in the same online forum?
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 13:59 |
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Mr.PayDay posted:??? Remember when CR said increasing the scope wouldn't delay release? Good times.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 14:02 |
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SQ54 teaser analysis in full flow... Anyone else notice the Vanduul are T-posed at 1:34?
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 14:26 |
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Elderbean posted:This is me and cinematics. I remember playing FF7 and loving it but thinking it would be so much cooler with more CINEMATICS and CUTSCENES but now I hate having gameplay interrupted by long-rear end cutscenes and I generally think that Hollywood shouldn't be informing how games tell stories. Here's the link: https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=35440 It's a nice read.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 14:59 |
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Why is the 1080p version of the trailer actually 800p?
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 15:00 |
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Mailer posted:This would make sense if you were both seeing the same thing. Your eyes tell you that the game looks mundane in screenshots and hilariously bad in motion, but citizens don't see with their eyes. They see with their dreams. Everyone talks about the game in a state that exists entirely within their minds. The dumpster fire that is the current "alpha" game might as well not exist because all that matters is what it could become. Interestingly this is also how people are currently "seeing" Cyberpunk. Granted, Cyberpunk will probably exist at some point but the absolutely ludicrous expectations people have for it are borderline with Star Citizen.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 15:34 |
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what’s going on now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSZQ7yXD3w 3.8 seems to have broken entity scale or something. Full vid here: TINY STAR CITIZEN!!!
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 16:10 |
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star citizen non-apologists truly are oppressed
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 16:27 |
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This is how they punch above their weight, nothing to see here. monkeytek fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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Pixelate posted:what’s going on now The types of errors they keep getting blow me away.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 17:44 |
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Pixelate posted:what’s going on now The full vid is worth zipping around in. Tiny Citizen wandering through the plants is
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 17:45 |
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Agony Aunt posted:Remember when CR said increasing the scope wouldn't delay release? He said it would speed things up. I love everything about this game, I desperately want it to release and watch the meltdowns as 4/10 after 4/10 review comes in. That'll be the real pay off to me, when the Angry Joes and Jim Sterlings and all the other unwashed twats of the internet have open season on the thing,
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