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ultrafilter posted:I think pay-to-participate crosses the line, but at the same time I recognize that people might want to offer some kinds of rewards for their supporters. I wouldn't be OK with pay-only content, but if people want to post content earlier for subscribers, I think that's fine. I kind of had that thought myself after posting, to be honest. I do think it would hurt a thread to be paid participation only as opposed to something where anyone can jump in. But if you want to have rewards - and having them probably helps draw supporters! - it's kind of hard to do something other than "influence the lp" when all you do is... lp. I guess you could let them vote on which games to play? But at least personally, when i lp it's because i wanted to do a specific game... Dash Rendar posted:Any good rule will allow for interpretation of the people enforcing it to prevent abuse. Of course, but since it's a new rule, i'm just trying to get a feel for what kind of interpretations we can expect - Fedule posted:We'll certainly not ding anyone for throwing in a direct thanks at the end of a thread. We might raise an eyebrow or three if someone's finding a way to bring it up in every post. - and this seems like a reasonable attitude towards the whole thing.
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vilkacis posted:I kind of had that thought myself after posting, to be honest. I do think it would hurt a thread to be paid participation only as opposed to something where anyone can jump in. But if you want to have rewards - and having them probably helps draw supporters! - it's kind of hard to do something other than "influence the lp" when all you do is... lp. I guess you could let them vote on which games to play? But at least personally, when i lp it's because i wanted to do a specific game... I guess it'd be alright if there are a couple games that you want to do, or if you need specific hardware to for example, capture from a 3DS or something like that.
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One of the joys of being the third one to make a statement on this is that I can say that Fedule and Dash have already laid out my exact thoughts and comments. Though like them I also have some reservations about people potentially abusing the Patreon unlock tier function to create early access or bonus updates for their donors at the expense of the regular posters in the thread. While this was what Patreon was kind of structurally built for, when it comes to LPs we all consider it bad form, especially, as Fedule said, that the rules of the sub clearly state that LPs should be made for the LP subforum first and foremost. Although as conduct like that qualifies as off-site stuff, we can't really do much about it except strongly discourage it, so my modly advice would on that would be just use your common sense on it. The alternative would be to allow it but to instate a forum-wide rule that discussion of Patreon early/exclusive updates is prohibited in threads until the update is properly posted on SA, if ever. Think of it as a global no-spoiler rule for the LP itself, not just the game that is being LP'd. The only other issue I can think of would be people who would be gauche enough to buy banner ads for the forums linking directly to their Patreon. We've had a few people here without naming names who've bought banner ads to advertise their LPs, and while that's fine if a little gaudy and kinda desperate in my view, we let that stuff slide. I'd be less inclined to give a pass to someone if it was brought to my attention that they went the extra step and bought an ad leading right to their Patreon page without even going through an LP first. On the one hand that seems entirely counter-productive, and on the other that crosses directly into "Don't Shill For Donations" and that puts us within our rights to come after you with the ban hammer in that case. Ultimately, I trust folks here to be smart about this and I think it's a good idea and I'll try to take things on a case by case basis so as not to ruin it for everyone else, but if abuse becomes endemic, well, Fedule has already outlined what's going to happen. So there's my thoughts on it.
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I know it just came out last week but I would love to put together an LP of Super Mega Baseball 3, especially without any real baseball going on for the next few months. I would like some advice on putting everything together because I am very new to capturing video (and honestly haven't done a screenshot LP in a very long time either). I'm honestly anticipating this being in development for a while before I'm ready to go ahead with posting so this is a rough rough draft right now. Here's the OP I put together I'm thinking that should be split into two posts, one for information and one to choose teams. I actually have them as separate .txt files. Also I know those images need to be resized. What's the standard resolution for screenshots on the forums these days? The link to the guide in the sandcastle OP wasn't working for me. Sample post from midseason with the Beewolves Here's a sample post. There's no commentary on the video and the quality is not great. I'm attempting this on something of a potato so any advice to squeeze the best quality possible out of the video capture settings would be appreciated. I'm using OBS studio to capture and when I do edits I use Openshot. I also have audacity for voice over. Also my steam username is visible at the end there so if you want to say hi then pop on over. Speaking of, I'm not sure how I should present these videos. I don't have a voice for radio (I always sound high when I listen to me), especially sport broadcasts, but subtitles seems so bland for a sports game and I hate just posting videos without context or commentary. Once I get the technical aspects down I'll try to put together a broadcast style video for feedback. Overall for now though, as far as organization of information goes does everything generally make sense? I do need to put together a post about game mechanics and basic baseball rules (written and unwritten), but for an opening post does it work? Thanks for any feedback and advice, sorry if I inadvertently broke any rules or standards, it's been a long time since I posted here. I tried to do my research beforehand so if I missed anything it was entirely accidental. Edit: I have been messing around with my NVidea settings and the in game settings and it's running a bit smoother at higher settings now, so hopefully it will record better next time I give it a go. Cuveball Sliders fucked around with this message at 21:46 on May 19, 2020 |
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I know nothing about baseball so the content's basically a foreign language to me, but images should be at most 900px wide if you want them archived without having them shrunk first. (There's really no limit for the forums, but they will automatically be shrunk to fit the window and so can easily become unreadable if the original image is too big.) Jpg is the correct format for something like this. Almost no one likes the sound of their own voice, you probably sound fine to others so just go ahead and do voice commentary if you are able to do so!
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nine-gear crow posted:The only other issue I can think of would be people who would be gauche enough to buy banner ads for the forums linking directly to their Patreon. We've had a few people here without naming names who've bought banner ads to advertise their LPs, and while that's fine if a little gaudy and kinda desperate in my view, we let that stuff slide. On that note, I'm actually really surprised that the banner ads actually work. The ongoing Your Turn to Die LP had a banner ad, and I wouldn't have clicked on the thread if it didn't, and I see a lot of unfamiliar names in that thread so it clearly does pull people from around the site. At first, I thought the same, that it was a gaudy thing to do, but if done right like that thread, it's just a pretty neat way to get more eyeballs on a cool game.
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vilkacis posted:I know nothing about baseball so the content's basically a foreign language to me, but images should be at most 900px wide if you want them archived without having them shrunk first. (There's really no limit for the forums, but they will automatically be shrunk to fit the window and so can easily become unreadable if the original image is too big.) Jpg is the correct format for something like this. Thanks, I appreciate the info! Are there any good batch image editors for cropping and resizing?
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If its the same thing for each image irfanview seemed useful when i tried it
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Seconding the recommendation for irfanview.
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I'm checking it out now, seems to work pretty well for what I need. Thanks for the recommendation!
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I don't see anything wrong with the post, although as someone also playing SMB3 right now I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to show some actual games along the way. I know season mode at least allows for watching AI vs. AI games and seeing pitch mixes in action or exactly how bad "bad defense" is could help in making some personnel decisions. Also I can confirm that something about the Freebooters sucks because I got annihilated playing as them they other day. 
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 Zero Time Dilemma (SSLP) ---------- I recorded the footage using just the Gamer Bar with Windows 10 - it seems to produce a good enough quality MP4 that I was able to pull screenshots from, but let me know if you feel differently. I played on Steam in the default resolution which resulted in images that were 1200x680 for the first update. I thought that looked too large so I cut them to 600x340 for the second update. I'm worried those ones are too small to read the subtitles well. I might split the difference and go with 900x510 but I'm not sure if that kind of 3/4 resizing will work well. Either way I'll re-do both updates with the same final resolution. Any opinions on it?
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Oh nice, someone else stepping up to the ZTD plate. I think the images are a bit blurry for me on desktop, might want to double check the recording quality on your end (unless the game was blurry too, it's been years since I played it). No real complaints otherwise, the gifs are good quality too.
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As far as I'm concerned, yeah, the subtitles are very hard to read at the 600px resolution. Of course, the game isn't doing you any favors with the font. Anyway, non-integer resizing is mainly a problem with old games with less detailed graphics where the pixels end up looking weird. If you're doing resampling rather than simple resizing on a modern game, non-integer resizing is fine as long as you maintain aspect ratio. I'd say go with 900px and see how that works out. That's the maximum resolution for regular images when it comes to the LP Archive, so 900px is a good width to shoot for in general.
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Mraagvpeine posted:What's the number of people with Patreon in the LP forums?
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Artix posted:I don't see anything wrong with the post, although as someone also playing SMB3 right now I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to show some actual games along the way. I know season mode at least allows for watching AI vs. AI games and seeing pitch mixes in action or exactly how bad "bad defense" is could help in making some personnel decisions. Yeah I had a youtube of a sample game at the top of the Beewolves post, one of my issues is video quality (part of which is just that I have to play at relatively low settings). My plan was to sim most games and either have 1 game per 4 as an AI vs AI video with broadcast style post-commentary or just watch the big matchups and series in division. I could also do both but that may generate a lot of videos depending on how long the seasons go (and I'm hoping to run at least 3 or 4 seasons). If you want a fun experience with the game play as Trey Mondo on the Sand Cats. He's got horrendous stats but for whatever reason you can just destroy opposing batters with him. Edit: Oh did you mean putting up a sample video of a game in the OP? That's an interesting thought. Cuveball Sliders fucked around with this message at 17:32 on May 20, 2020 |
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Zero Time Dilemma (SSLP) ---------- It took some doing but I was able to get OBS to record lossless and switched to VirtualDub2 to open the avi file up and pull captures from it. Images are 900px wide now and look sharper and brighter. Let me know if anything else seems off. Thanks for the help!
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nine-gear crow posted:Though like them I also have some reservations about people potentially abusing the Patreon unlock tier function to create early access or bonus updates for their donors at the expense of the regular posters in the thread. While this was what Patreon was kind of structurally built for, when it comes to LPs we all consider it bad form, especially, as Fedule said, that the rules of the sub clearly state that LPs should be made for the LP subforum first and foremost. Although as conduct like that qualifies as off-site stuff, we can't really do much about it except strongly discourage it, so my modly advice would on that would be just use your common sense on it. So what's the rule on people creating LPs for their patreon supporters first and then later releasing them publicly on here? For instance, ThornBrain's group has been doing that for a while now. They've always been transparent about it and stated it in their OPs. While I like their content, it always seemed a little hosed up to me when there's a rule stating "create your LP for the thread, not the other way around."
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Geemer posted:So what's the rule on people creating LPs for their patreon supporters first and then later releasing them publicly on here? Fedule basically covered it already: Fedule posted:The classic LP-ism is that you should be making your LP for the thread, not the other way round. Therefore, it seems on the face of it that having certain tiered interactions for Patreon backers or having early access to new videos might create some tension with this idea. I certainly wouldn't recommend doing those things. On the other hand, having rules for this would wind up largely as an empty gesture; we don't stop you from giving your thread zero say in the direction of your LP, so how can we meaningfully prevent you from declaring by fiat that you're going to follow the whims of this specific group of people? We don't see anything to gain from policing this ourselves; it's up to you to decide how you want to balance these concerns. Geemer posted:While I like their content, it always seemed a little hosed up to me when there's a rule stating "create your LP for the thread, not the other way around." I technically agree with you - i don't see any difference between posting a finished youtube playlist and a patreon one. But if mods were going to take action for that kind of thing they should have started years ago. Now, when the rules are being relaxed, does not seem like the time to start trying to enforce that kind of thing - and even if they did, anyone who has a healthy patreon at this point can probably be expected to choose that over SA, so in practice it'd just lead to people who otherwise put in enough effort to be appreciated here being chased away. I think that would be a net negative for most people who read and post on this board. (And it's not as if the repost rule has been thoroughly enforced either! People generally don't care as long as the op isn't utterly blatant about it and posting entire playlists at a time.)
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I'm not calling for action being taken. I just wanted to know what the thoughts on it are. I personally think it's a pretty garbage thing to do, having a thread where people respond to your LP that's already entirely after the fact, with no chance of their points being addressed in the commentary of the upcoming episodes. I might as well load up a YouTube Playlist.
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vilkacis posted:I technically agree with you - i don't see any difference between posting a finished youtube playlist and a patreon one. But if mods were going to take action for that kind of thing they should have started years ago. Now, when the rules are being relaxed, does not seem like the time to start trying to enforce that kind of thing - and even if they did, anyone who has a healthy patreon at this point can probably be expected to choose that over SA, so in practice it'd just lead to people who otherwise put in enough effort to be appreciated here being chased away. I think that would be a net negative for most people who read and post on this board. I think that there's a place for finished LPs, but it doesn't really jive with the traditional LP thread style which is a pseudo-live experience with discussion and posting. A number of people have and continue to parceled out already finished LPs by basically just setting the videos to private in advance and then and making the videos public and updating the thread on a schedule. I don't like this - to me, this seems very disingenuous and against the spirit of the subforum. Other LPers record multiple updates in advance but keep to a specific release schedule - this is generally fine, by all accounts. Sometimes updates are recorded months before they are actually posted - to me, this is less fine, because any discussion or interaction with the pseudo-live nature of LP is stretched or lost, and when the distance between when updates are recorded and when updates actually get posted is too large, the difference between this and an already-finished LP that's just released on a schedule can be hard to discern. The mods traditionally have not appeared to be interested in enforcing the rules against youtube dumps very strictly so long as certain pretenses are kept in place, but I'd like to think that there's an alternative to simply opening the floodgates... I don't know how feasible it would be to do something like create a separate subforum of Let's Play specifically for already finished LP's, along the vein of the aforementioned StrawHatNo LPs that were "Patreon-first", but that would be my suggestion. In other words, keep the main Let's Play space for new, original content, while providing a place where people feel welcome to openly post their pre-existing/Patreon-first/whatever LPs with at least a minimum of standards (so no drive by Youtube dumps) for discussion, using the existing rules format for both.
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I've been posting all of my videos to my Patreon a few days before they go public - the "early access" is pretty thin, but I feel like it's a nice gesture for the two people who managed to figure out that it exists and make pledges that I never collect because the implications of accepting money are more than I want to handle. I don't intend to create any Patreon-exclusive content, and if I did, I wouldn't talk about it here. From the perspective of someone who does want to make money from their Patreon, some kind of reward is not only reasonable, but almost required - anything that provides benefit to the people who support you without incurring any extra cost just makes sense. I just wouldn't want anyone who doesn't pay to feel like they're getting a lesser experience. So I'd avoid letting patrons influence the LP more than non-patrons, such as through patron-only voting, but some reasonable degree of early access to videos makes sense while keeping in the spirit of what the forum is about. Patron-exclusive LPs that aren't advertised on the forum can be great rewards for people who really like the content and want even more. Maybe some exclusive behind-the-scenes stuff. Discord rewards can be a big plus. And, of course, there's always the shout-outs at the end of the video. And just before I hit post, it occurs to me that some LPers let patrons choose which game they're going to play next, or request specific games. As long as the full playthrough is then equally available to everyone, I can't imagine any non-patrons having more of a problem with that than with the LPer choosing games with no input at all. And I know I'm not the only person here who tends to record multiple videos in batches and then spread out posting them due to schedule constraints with work and other responsibilities, and while there are drawbacks, nobody's ever suggested that "that's a good point, but the next three videos are already in the can, so it will be fixed after that" is against the rules, so I don't see why filtering some number of updates through Patreon first would be any different.
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Here's the rule in question, verbatim:Fedule posted:No YouTube dumps or reposts! Honestly, the first sentence of that second paragraph there is one of those rules that in a certain sense I don't like very much - because while I think more or less everybody knows what we mean by it, I don't like the fact that it doesn't say what it means, but also I don't know how concisely I can write what we actually mean by it. I've already reworded it once, slightly, since posting. Like more or less everything else in the LP Rules, it's there as a course correction because we were headed somewhere we didn't like. We don't want people literally dumping complete video series on the forums in a single go and then leaving - even if, by virtue of people not really liking it, those threads all get minimal engagement, the number of them threatened to become a problem. Hence, the rule. The thing is, we differentiate between "a YouTube dump" and "a pre-recorded series", and we don't mandate and never have mandated any particular level of interaction between the thread and the content of the videos. Some LPs are fully and viscerally interactive, and some are set in stone from the moment of conception. This is completely fine. As we state, there is no rule against recording an entire playthrough in advance; what it comes down to is the posting. Similarly, I think the key differentiator between a traditional YouTube dump and a Patreon-led LP (including the specific example of strawhatno that was raised) is that making a video available only to your patrons isn't publishing it in the sense we really care about. It's not making it available to everyone, so bringing it to the forums is still meaningful. This continues to hold true even if your Patreon audience is massive. I agree and have already stated my reasons for agreeing with the argument that running ahead on Patreon like this is not an ideal way to run a thread, but fundamentally, it doesn't seem worth trying to legislate. Fedule fucked around with this message at 14:46 on May 21, 2020 |
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Super Mega Baseball 3 attempt at live commentary TURN DOWN YOUR VOLUME BEFORE CLICKING: Super Mega Baseball 3 attempts at post commentary (Sorry about the audio crackling and super loud commentary, my mic settings were way too high. I was able to fix it somewhat through post processing and it shouldn't be an issue going forward). I still have to work with editing the audio track into the video, my levels are clearly pretty wild in the second video and the voice overpowers gameplay. I also need to take more thorough notes pre game, I kept tripping over names and positions. That said, content wise the post commentary seemed easier. A lot of what happened did surprise me since I went off and gardened while it was recording but I at least had an idea of how the game went and how quickly the innings went. The live commentary attempt was tough because the pace of game is so much faster than actual baseball. I could be talking about the last play and suddenly the innings over. On the other hand, the live commentary is much easier to put together and I think resulted in a much better looking and sounding product just from not going through as many layers of processing. I'd appreciate any feedback you guys have as far as content goes, I've been working on the technical aspects and getting the hand of the software as well. Commentary was actually kind of fun even if the result wasn't great! Edit: Also thanks for taking the time to help me with the test posts and this Cuveball Sliders fucked around with this message at 22:57 on May 21, 2020 |
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in regards to only posting your thread once you finished recording everything beforehand, frankly it seems pretty prudent given how often starting an LP thread on SA seems to blow up your computer, kill your grandma, void your employment and toss you out on the streets. there's also degrees even within the space of "recorded everything", ranging from having all commentary recorded, edited and uploaded, recording commentary as you update the thread and respond to questions that way, or recording new footage and editing it into your original footage. poo poo like that's why the spirit of the rule matters more than the letter anyway.
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a cartoon duck posted:in regards to only posting your thread once you finished recording everything beforehand, frankly it seems pretty prudent given how often starting an LP thread on SA seems to blow up your computer, kill your grandma, void your employment and toss you out on the streets. I started to record all footage ahead of time so that way I wouldn't get burned out like mid game and stop recording and going on hiatus. That way any delays weren't down to me just not playing.
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Here's a baseball primer I put together for people who know little to nothing about the game itself. Is it generally helpful and, if not, what would make it more helpful? Thanks for the feedback. https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=156734
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McFetusBurger posted:Here's a baseball primer I put together for people who know little to nothing about the game itself. Is it generally helpful and, if not, what would make it more helpful? Thanks for the feedback. Overall, it's good and interesting! Rules-wise, though, I don't think you actually address pitching and batting at all? Like, what a strike or a foul is, or that three strikes is an out, or any of that. You also don't address base stealing. You also may want to organize around rules (what an inning is, 3 strikes = out, tag the base before the runner = out), practices (what a relief pitcher is, when to steal), and mindset (that wonderful upfront section). You also don't address the infield fl::is tackled and savagely beaten::
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skeleton warrior posted:Overall, it's good and interesting! Rules-wise, though, I don't think you actually address pitching and batting at all? Like, what a strike or a foul is, or that three strikes is an out, or any of that. You also don't address base stealing. There is sooo much to go through in this sport. Thanks for the feedback! I think adding a rules section and incorporating some of the existing info into that is a great idea. I'm trying to not create the baseball encyclopedia (which could overwhelm casual readers), just offer enough background to participate without feeling left behind. Thought I did address relief pitchers
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For reference, I did an LP of The Closer (it's on the Archive) where I did a whole lot of baseball explaining. You can check that out and if you want to crib some of it for your LP, you're more than welcome to. No need to do the same thing over and over.
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Man I read that entire LP, it was absolutely brilliant! You did an awesome job showing off the game and the sport Edit: Is it alright if I include a link in the OP to your update zero in addition to what I've put together?
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McFetusBurger posted:Edit: Is it alright if I include a link in the OP to your update zero in addition to what I've put together? Sure, go ahead. If you want to grab some stuff from the updates where I go over particular stats and rules when appropriate, you can do that too. We don't need two people to explain the balk.
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Thanks, I appreciate it. Thank god Super Mega Baseball didn't feel the need to model the balk. Edit: Here's the updated infodump post. I included strikeouts, walks, and a section about the video game itself at the end. https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=156739 Edit 2: Here's an updated OP with links to the baseball guides and McD's archive LP. I also linked a more gameplay specific guide that I made over on reddit. https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=156740 I feel pretty good about this at this point. The videos will definitely be a learning curve but I think a lot of it is just the willingness to put myself out there. If there aren't any glaring flaws I think I'm about ready to get started, maybe this weekend. I was thinking of looking for a co-commentator but I think I'd like to find my own voice for now. I'll post a commentary free option with every video for the people who prefer it. Thanks for the help and feedback to everyone who took the time! Cuveball Sliders fucked around with this message at 23:09 on May 22, 2020 |
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Hi, I'm making a huge mistake and doing a lore-focused Dark Souls LP. Please let me know if I have made any lesser mistakes in the process. https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=156752 https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=156757
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Sorry, I'm new to the Let's Play subforum/SA in general but have considered doing an LP for some time. Is it alright if I start a Let's Play of a game that was previously started by someone else, but was then abandoned? (The specific game I want to Let's Play is The House in Fata Morgana, for context. It's one of my favorite VNs.) I read and understand the rules for the subforum, just wanted to make sure this was kosher before I go about writing anything up. Thanks in advance.
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citriccenobite posted:Sorry, I'm new to the Let's Play subforum/SA in general but have considered doing an LP for some time. Is it alright if I start a Let's Play of a game that was previously started by someone else, but was then abandoned? (The specific game I want to Let's Play is The House in Fata Morgana, for context. It's one of my favorite VNs.) There's no rule that says you can't LP something that somebody else already did, even if the LP wasn't abandoned, hell, even if the LP is still ongoing. We've had parallel threads of the same game before (Dark Souls, for instance, had parallel threads, I think). If you want to take over where the other LPer stopped and use their updates as a base, you should check with them first, but it's not unprecedented (I had the inverse of this happen to me with me taking over an LP that somebody else started but wasn't able to continue because of life happening). If you're starting fresh, you can just go for it and it's fine.
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Sibyl Disobedience posted:Hi, I'm making a huge mistake and doing a lore-focused Dark Souls LP. Please let me know if I have made any lesser mistakes in the process. The "text description" link gives me "access denied" on google docs The posts themselves seem fine to me on first glance. Someone who actually played Dark Souls might want to provide input on the videos, but on a quick glance them seem OK to me.
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