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Nenonen posted:Ensign Expendable (or anyone), do you have any interesting trivia or hard facts on the rear facing turret machine guns on especially Soviet (but also others - Japanese?) tanks (BT-7, KV, IS)? These machine guns were requested after the Spanish Civil War (also rear facing flamethrowers!) and also separately after Khalkin Gol. There were complaints that samurai would climb up on the tanks and stab important elements like the radiator with their swords. BT and T-26 tanks were built with a rear machine gun port or a pistol port. The idea was that you would take down either the AA machine gun or the coax and fire it out the back. The A-20 and further T-34 prototypes didn't have this anymore, but they did have a pistol port. T-28, T-35, KV, and IS tanks had this feature too, but it didn't seem to be considered very useful since these ports were welded shut on IS-2 tanks post-war. It turned out that just making the engine deck more samurai-proof and also having infantry escort your tanks was a better idea. Pistols and grenades were used for close defense, I'm not aware of any weird inventions specifically for this purpose.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Could we built a tank-destroyer battleship. Like a battleship with a fixed forward gun, to take out other battleships? We call those "guided missile cruisers"
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Ensign Expendable posted:These machine guns were requested after the Spanish Civil War (also rear facing flamethrowers!) and also separately after Khalkin Gol. There were complaints that samurai would climb up on the tanks and stab important elements like the radiator with their swords. Are you... are you serious? i knew japanese tanks could be sabotaged by sticking stuff in surface grates, but I can't tell jokes when it comes to WW2 tank bullshit.
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sullat posted:Where I live, the Native Americans ate salmon, salmon, and more salmon. So that would be native food. hmm time to make dinner opens up kitchen pantry I wonder what I should make today?  everybody ok with salmon?
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TaurusTorus posted:Are you... are you serious? i knew japanese tanks could be sabotaged by sticking stuff in surface grates, but I can't tell jokes when it comes to WW2 tank bullshit. You could get to the oil radiator on the T-26 by poking through the grates, plus the older models had hatches that weren't quite flush so they could be jimmied open.
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This is a local caterer who does native american food and has a cookbook that I want to check out now. He also has the best name for a native american food entity: http://sioux-chef.com/
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Nenonen posted:Ensign Expendable (or anyone), do you have any interesting trivia or hard facts on the rear facing turret machine guns on especially Soviet (but also others - Japanese?) tanks (BT-7, KV, IS)? They were for anti-infantry duties over the rear arc (or rear/side) of the tank. You could only get so much use out of them and they were phased out because they waste valuable turret space and required the loader/commander to operate. Explosive close defence as a makeshift device? Doubtful, I certainly have never seen any to my recollection. There have been improvised AA mounts for MGs, though.
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crazypeltast52 posted:This is a local caterer who does native american food and has a cookbook that I want to check out now. He also has the best name for a native american food entity: That's a drat good name. Ensign Expendable posted:These machine guns were requested after the Spanish Civil War (also rear facing flamethrowers!) and also separately after Khalkin Gol. There were complaints that samurai would climb up on the tanks and stab important elements like the radiator with their swords. This is extremely anime, but I'm not sure if it's anime in a good or bad way.
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Can't you just have the next tank over hose you down with the coax
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Cyrano4747 posted:I don’t even know where this should go but I figure people here might enjoy it. Conveniently, I have a historical cooking thread!
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aphid_licker posted:Can't you just have the next tank over hose you down with the coax That's an option now, where the co-ax will only scratch the paint. (It's called "scratch my back.") In an inter-war tank I'd think machineguns would have a higher chance of damaging a tank, especially the sides or rear.
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I cannot imagine the brass genitals needed to jump on a hostile tank and jimmy the engine hatch open
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MikeCrotch posted:I cannot imagine the brass genitals needed to jump on a hostile tank and jimmy the engine hatch open
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MikeCrotch posted:I cannot imagine the brass genitals needed to jump on a hostile tank and jimmy the engine hatch open Well, to be fair, I've never heard of anyone trying to jimmy the engine hatch open. You're generally trying to toss a molotov, grenade, anti-tank mine, or other explosive device onto/into the tank to blow it up. Its just that you usually have to get very close to guarantee a kill.
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I spent 10bux and got a kindle copy of Technowar in Vietnam. And can I just observe: what in the actual gently caress?
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Hubris is a hell of a drug.
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What does the next page say? It almost looks like he was winding up to explain what was wrong with that point of view.
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It's interesting because I distinctly remember Asimov writing a letter which by coincidence, debunks the same argument being made by Kissinger.
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If we could take that snippet unironically and stuff it in the same head that shares Guns, Germs, and Steel, then I think we would have made the most punchable American ever.
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Nessus posted:If there was one thing the IJA had it was big brass balls, they just didn't back it up with anything else beyond decent jungle tactics(?) very good at night fighting and honestly the gear was mostly fine for intended purposes (beating on China, occupying islands, rough terrain ops)
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Stolen from PYF to make a few people probably twitch in anger and also tank destroyers:
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Tank destroyers aren't tanks, wtf maaaaan
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Nenonen posted:Tank destroyers aren't tanks, wtf maaaaan Have you seen reporting about the riot police lately? If you put enough armed men in a van, it becomes a tank.
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Only if you consider them "ablative armour"
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Nenonen posted:Tank destroyers aren't tanks, wtf maaaaan Halftracks definitely are though. Chamale posted:Have you seen reporting about the riot police lately? If you put enough armed men in a van, it becomes a tank. In the context of a supposedly civilian police force, anything designed to withstand explosions to the detriment of its ability to function on normal roads counts as a tank, because they've got as much place on the road as a fishbowl.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Halftracks definitely are though. That one was actually categorized as a tank destroyer too, which goes to prove how hosed up the US doctrine was.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I spent 10bux and got a kindle copy of Technowar in Vietnam. And can I just observe: what in the actual gently caress? The belief that Western Europe more or less managed to dominate the world for a good century or so has inspired some seriously insane poo poo in people for a long time now and right-wing people especially love twisting themselves into knots to come up with an explanation for how it happened. Of course, they also have a romanticized version of the whole thing and love to overstate the influence Western Europe had and their achievements. At some point we should probably reconsider renaming The Enlightenment or just putting hyphens around it so people know we're being sarcastic.
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's interesting because I distinctly remember Asimov writing a letter which by coincidence, debunks the same argument being made by Kissinger. I'd like to read that, if anyone knows where I can find it.
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Some amazing paintings in this thread: https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1278437361169379329 https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1278438389038100482 https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1278442528887517190 https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1278443762096705536 https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1278635958473236481 e: for once the quoting the previous tweet thing actually does something useful
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That artist was amazing and had guts. I am not surprised that Moltke the elder had that reaction as the dude is polar opposite of what the message his art was trying to convey.
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MikeCrotch posted:I cannot imagine the brass genitals needed to jump on a hostile tank and jimmy the engine hatch open You should ask this guy how he gets his pants on. https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/battles/rebel-throws-grenade-down-tanks-barrel/5045185381001
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Also, since it has come up lately, how did the Soviets react to the US assistance to the Mujahideen? I am certain that the Russians were aware that the United Stated was providing assistance to the rebels in Afghanistan. How did this knowledge affect Soviet policy, if at all?
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PeterCat posted:Also, since it has come up lately, how did the Soviets react to the US assistance to the Mujahideen? At that point there's been a full 20-30 years of supplying each other's enemies in conflicts across the globe. It's just something that was priced into everyone's assumptions.
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Makes for an interesting calculus on when you use someone else's covert actions as a casus belli. I suppose there is no hard and fast rule and it ends up being ignored when an open war isn't wanted and trumpeted when one is wanted.
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PeterCat posted:You should ask this guy how he gets his pants on. I think that video has been discussed here before, and it turned out to be fake.
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ChubbyChecker posted:I think that video has been discussed here before, and it turned out to be fake. Fake as in staged?
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PeterCat posted:Fake as in staged? yeah
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Anyone remember that old book pdf that was like, a communist guide to disrupting things nonviolently? I remember a passage that was something like "Start a committee with the more people the better, as it will drastically slow down work"? I need it ...because of the reality of meetings in my line of work.
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Saint Celestine posted:Anyone remember that old book pdf that was like, a communist guide to disrupting things nonviolently? It was actually the OSS guide to simple sabotage or something like that. The CIA has it somewhere on thier site of you search those terms.
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Saint Celestine posted:Anyone remember that old book pdf that was like, a communist guide to disrupting things nonviolently? https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/simple-sabotage.html
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