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i'm able to watch abema now, i assume they just air lower divisions?
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Aug 3, 2020 12:57
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I’m watching some of these and HOO BOY that’s a lot of really long names that I’m going to have trouble keeping straight. And their dress and hairstyles being similar doesn’t help things much. Interestingly even the non Japanese folks adopt Japanese names. Anyway I guess exposure is the only way to get over this hump.
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Aug 3, 2020 15:27
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They get given a special Sumo name, it's part of the requirement of being a wrestler. Join a house, get a new name, dress in outfits straight outta 875. Gotta grow your hair out and have it in the correct style as well, when you watch new wrestlers you can see they're in the process of growing it.
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Aug 3, 2020 16:51
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Thauros posted:i'm able to watch abema now, i assume they just air lower divisions? They were airing the entire thing from what I was watching
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Aug 3, 2020 17:00
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Chinook posted:I’m watching some of these and HOO BOY that’s a lot of really long names that I’m going to have trouble keeping straight. And their dress and hairstyles being similar doesn’t help things much. Belt colour was one of the first things I used to tell people apart before I got used to the names and started recognizing people. That and I think part of Ishiura and Enho's appeal is that they have super distinct body types that make them instantly recognizable even by first time watchers.
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Aug 3, 2020 18:44
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Chinook posted:I’m watching some of these and HOO BOY that’s a lot of really long names that I’m going to have trouble keeping straight. And their dress and hairstyles being similar doesn’t help things much. An easy way to get started recognizing guys is by using the color of their mawashi (the silk loincloth thing they wear). While they occasionally change the color, most guys rock the same color for quite a while (Kaisei has been orange as long as I can remember, same with Tamawashi and the sky blue). Then, pick out a couple guys who are really physically distinctive. European foreigners can be easier in this respect because they stand out, like Tochinoshin, Kaisei (although he's actually Brazilian), and Aoiyama. There are also some very distinctive looking non-European wrestlers, like Chiyomaru (huge round belly, no neck), Takarafuji (almost bald), and Enho (looks like a tiny child). Then you'll get used to the whole "massive dudes with identical haircuts" thing and be able to recognize most of the key players. Don't feel bad if it's hard though. I've been seriously into sumo for several years now, and I still couldn't pick Sadanoumi out of a lineup. Daiesho is now consistently in the top ranks and I'd give it even odds that I'd confuse him with someone else.
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Aug 3, 2020 18:46
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You'll probably start out by identifying rikishi by physical features like I did - the small one, the gigantic one, the hairy one, the one with the sideburns, the really pasty one. Then when you start noticing the ones that you like and want to root for, you'll make an effort to learn their names then it snowballs from there.
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Aug 3, 2020 18:51
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Chinook posted:I’m watching some of these and HOO BOY that’s a lot of really long names that I’m going to have trouble keeping straight. And their dress and hairstyles being similar doesn’t help things much. most of the japanese guys also adopt ring names known as shikona that wouldn't be used by normal people. while the latter is also used in many japanese family names the reason you see a lot of zans and yamas for example is that both mean "mountain" and are written with the kanji 山. certain heya/stables have specific traditions like all of the Koto* guys who are teammates. there are exceptions like enho, endo, and ishiura who all just use their birth name. and yeah, when i first started following it a couple years ago they almost all just seemed like interchangeable large men (esp as enhou wasn't in makuuchi yet) at first. give it a shot tho and you'll quickly hone in on a couple guys who stick out for various reasons. english commentary does help for understanding style and tactics a bit. Thauros fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Aug 3, 2020 19:10
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Thauros posted:most of the japanese guys also adopt ring names known as shikona that wouldn't be used by normal people. while the latter is also used in many japanese family names the reason you see a lot of zans and yamas for example is that both mean "mountain" and are written with the kanji 山. certain heya/stables have specific traditions like all of the Koto* guys who are teammates. there are exceptions like enho, endo, and ishiura who all just use their birth name. Enho's name is a Shikona, his real family name is name is Nakamura. He was was Enho Yuya (his real first name) for 1 basho, but then changed it to Enho Akira after a childhood friend who passed away. I linked a Twitter thread about Shikona just a couple pages ago, here it is if you don't wanna scroll:
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Aug 3, 2020 20:51
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So when it says:code:I'm guessing the E and W represent East (left side of the screen?) and West (right side), but I don't know the purpose of the number before the E or W. And then the 0-1 / 1-0 is the record those men have in the current tournament? And then the 4-3 is all of their previous matches ever?
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Aug 3, 2020 22:18
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Chinook posted:So when it says: East and West are part of your rank; Maegashira 4E is one rank up from Maegashira 4W. And yes, re: previous matches, current tournaments. I can't remember if this only counts for previous matches in sekitori (makuuchi and juryo, the top two divisions) or not.
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Aug 3, 2020 22:37
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Chinook posted:So when it says: The number before the E or W is the rank in that division, which goes: Jonokuchi (Jk) Jonidan (Jd) Sandanme (Sd) Makushita (Ms) Juryo (J) and then the top division called Makuuchi, in which there are several different ranks: Maegashira (M) Komusubi (K) Sekiwake (S) Ozeki (O) Yokozuna (Y) East is considered slightly higher than west, so the guy ranked M1e is just below Komusubi, the guy ranked M17w is at the bottom of Makuuchi (it's not always 17 exactly, but this time it was) The other numbers I'm having trouble telling where you're pulling them from, is it from Natto's or Kinta's videos or what? If I had to guess, you're looking at day 2 in which both wrestlers lost their match on day 1, and the 4-3 is their record against each other in previous meetings.
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Aug 3, 2020 22:40
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Edit: eek, too slow. Tl;Dr: the above explanations got it right! The number is their ranked placement. For the top division wrestlers, being maegashira 1 means they're at the tippy top of the rankings, behind only the special ranks of komusubi, sekiwake, ozeki, and yokozuna. Maegashira 17 (or whatever is the lowest in any given tournament) means they're only one step above the second division, juryo, so they better not get a losing record or they'll end up back there in the following tournament. There's two people at every rank (with the possible exception of the very bottom one, maybe? Not sure if there needs to be two wrestlets at the bottom rank to fulfill the banzuke requirements), with east being one spot higher than west. The special ranks follow this system, too -- if you see a yokozuna 1E and a yokozuna 1W, the east wrestler had a better showing in the previous tournament. The 0-1 is the current score and the 4-3 is the record of their previous head to head bouts, yeah.
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Aug 3, 2020 22:41
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The number is their rank. On the banzuke, you'll notice that guys are paired, so there's two guys at maegashira 1, two at M2 and so on. The East and West distinguishes each pairing. East is the higher ranked one. Efb!!!
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Aug 3, 2020 22:42
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The only other thing when you see Name (8E, 0-1) is that sometimes it will be 2-3-2 or something. The third number in this case is any days missed due to any reason (injury, illness, suspension, whatever). It's still counted as a loss in the tournament standings, so 8-3-4 is functionally the same as 8-7 in terms of where you rank in the next tournament but I think people take it into account when doing career stats and stuff. You don't see it as often in the tournament videos because usually people don't miss days unless they are incapable of coming back, but in the before times, guys might have missed a day or two with a cold or something and in the last tournament, we saw Kotonowaka come back and try to salvage a win or two at the end that could have saved his spot in the top division. Skjorte posted:There's two people at every rank (with the possible exception of the very bottom one, maybe? Not sure if there needs to be two wrestlets at the bottom rank to fulfill the banzuke requirements), with east being one spot higher than west. The special ranks follow this system, too -- if you see a yokozuna 1E and a yokozuna 1W, the east wrestler had a better showing in the previous tournament. There could be an odd number at each rank. ie if there are 3 Yokozuna or Ozeki, there will be a Y2E but no corresponding Y2W. There's 42 guys total in Makkuchi and there are theoretically an unlimited number of Yokuzuna and Ozeki (though since wins are 0 sum, it's impossible to sustain too many guys at those ranks and have them all hit the minimums needed to keep then), so every additional Y/O just eliminates the lowest M rank. Also next tournament, we're probably also seeing an extra Sekiwake appear as an 11 win performance from Daieisho at Komsubi should be enough to force a promotion which will eliminate the M17W position.
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Aug 3, 2020 23:48
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Weeeeeeeelp: https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1290376075252502535 https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1290379084795711489
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Aug 4, 2020 09:30
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Some sumo channels on youtube are getting hit with copyright strikes again Maybe if the sumo association actually gave more of a poo poo about broadcasting sumo to the rest of the world they wouldn't have to be dickheads about it
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Aug 4, 2020 09:44
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Brut posted:Weeeeeeeelp  Tomokaze seemed to have a super promising career ahead; I hope it's not him. Selfishly, I'd like to continue watching him and Abi compete, but their stupidity literally put everyone in sumo at risk, so expulsion really wouldn't be too harsh a punishment IMO. Maybe Abi'll take the bullet for being a bad influence as a higher ranked wrestler or something.
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Aug 4, 2020 10:16
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Brut posted:Weeeeeeeelp: That's some grim news. Looking further down the divisions the guy who won the Sandanme title, Fukai, was the only wrestler to go 7-0 in that division. It's his second basho and he seems to have leapfrogged Jonokuchi and Jonidan and started at Sandanme 100 which I think means he had a good university career? He went 5-2 in the basho before this one so possibly one to look out for i the future.
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Aug 4, 2020 12:15
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pseudodragon posted:There's 42 guys total in Makkuchi and there are theoretically an unlimited number of Yokuzuna and Ozeki (though since wins are 0 sum, it's impossible to sustain too many guys at those ranks and have them all hit the minimums needed to keep then) I thought you couldn't lose Yokuzuna? But I guess still you mean they would be forced to retire?
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Aug 4, 2020 13:29
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Sub Rosa posted:I thought you couldn't lose Yokuzuna? But I guess still you mean they would be forced to retire? yeah, if a yokuzuna clearly can't perform up to the standards of the rank 'll be basically forced to retire. this happened to kisenosato last year. same goes if a sufficiently serious scandal occurs like with Harumafuji, Asashōryū,and back in the '80s Futahaguro(if you're a pro wresting fan you may know him better as koji kitao!). i've heard 10 wins referred to as an informal "yokozuna kachikoshi" as the basic line they're expected to stay at. there's a board called the yokuzuna deliberation council which is a different group of old guys than the nsk elders. they decide the fates of yokuzuna in these siutations in addition to promotions to the rank. instead of ex rikishi its comprised of various prominent writers, lawyers, businessmen, etc.... Thauros fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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Aug 4, 2020 13:52
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Brut posted:Weeeeeeeelp: Uuuggghhhh this is so stupid.
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Aug 4, 2020 18:09
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Welp. Such a sad ending to a promising career. https://twitter.com/tachiai_blog/status/1290710871388360704?s=19
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Aug 4, 2020 19:10
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Can someone explain what happened to him? He is still young right?
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Aug 4, 2020 19:19
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Foehammer007 posted:Can someone explain what happened to him? He is still young right? He violated the guidelines for coronavirus by going out for dinner.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:27
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Foehammer007 posted:Can someone explain what happened to him? He is still young right? Him and a couple other guys broke quarantine to go partying in the middle of the tournament and the NSK decided to tell him to gently caress off. The council probably threw the book at him because a popular 3rd division guy died earlier so they were in no mood to be forgiving.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:31
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rare Magic card l00k posted:He violated the guidelines for coronavirus by going out for dinner. pseudodragon posted:Him and a couple other guys broke quarantine to go partying in the middle of the tournament and the NSK decided to tell him to gently caress off. The council probably threw the book at him because a popular 3rd division guy died earlier so they were in no mood to be forgiving. Oh wow thats wild! Thanks for the quick answers
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Aug 4, 2020 19:51
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Also, he didn't just go out to dinner. The place he went out to fall into a category of "night entertainment" that ranges from stuff like Hooters to places where there's some fairly serious sex work. I don't know if it specifically came out where on that spectrum the place he went to was, but given that those sorts of establishments trend towards "lots of physically close interactions" it's basically one of the worst ways he could have broken the rules.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:58
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Brut posted:I even won a prize one time, got a little blue towel with a cartoon version of Abi on it. I guess I have a collector's item now. gently caress.
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Aug 4, 2020 20:37
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Crazy to throw your career away like that
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Aug 4, 2020 20:54
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are there any punishments in sumo in between "stern warning" and "your career's over"? as a fairly new fan i'm legit unsure. he hosed up and a punishment's warranted but it sucks that it has to be this extreme instead of being suspended for a couple basho or something.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:15
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Thauros posted:are there any punishments in sumo in between "stern warning" and "your career's over"? as a fairly new fan i'm legit unsure. he hosed up and a punishment's warranted but it sucks that it has to be this extreme instead of being suspended for a couple basho or something. Yeah, you can be forced to sit out a Basho, for example.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:23
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Well deserved, but also a huge letdown. I found his style of oshi-sumo really fun to watch, whether he managed to make it work or he was made to crash and burn, and having a guy with that kind of personality around was an interesting contrast. But yeah, hard to expect them not to throw the book at him for putting all his co-workers at risk, especially after he should've had his eyes opened to the risks when Shobushi died.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:53
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i wonder if he thought he wouldn't be caught?
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Aug 4, 2020 22:19
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I'm gonna miss Abi. He was a one-trick pony but he was pretty drat good at it. When I started watching the sport early last year his goofy face while he palms the poo poo out of the other dude is the reason I consistently remembered his name before everyone else's
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Aug 4, 2020 22:28
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Not sure how many of you subscribe to Kintamayama’s newsletter but there was something interesting today:Kintamayama posted:Nine (of 19) Shikihide beya rikishi ran way from the heya today, citing the okamisan's strict behavior. They sent a message notifying the Kyokai, and the Kyokai will call in the sides to hear their story today and try to reach some sort of settlement. They took refuge at a Karaoke place near the heya. "Moral harassment" is what they are claiming. The Oyakata himself has been ill since the beginning of the year and was out of the last basho so he could not oversee the training or give any guidance. Instead, the Okamisan was training them (???) but the rikishi lost their patience and ran away from the heya. The rikishi were complaining that the okamisan joined the heya's chat group and was reading everything and giving lout instructions and when someone was slow to respond he was reprimanded. Using of electrical appliances was allowed only by her. When rikishi ordered stuff online and the stuff arrived or when stuff arrived from their parents, she forced them to take pictures of what they bought and to post them in the group chat. "It's an invasion of privacy!" they cried out. She used to periodically hold surprise checks of the contents of their lockers as well. When anyone attempted to challenge her she threatened to throw them out of the heya or report them to the Kyokai. After the basho was over she demanded the rikishi write her a "letter of reflection." It seems the okamisan was trying in her own way to be in charge, but was not accepted by the rikishi and eventually it led to a mass walkout instead. The rikishi were training in earnest and longing for the Oyakata, but he is still ill, and they could not control her, some say.
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Aug 5, 2020 01:04
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Okamisan: "It..it's not like I want to train you! Baka!"
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Aug 5, 2020 01:35
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was trying to remember where i knew that name and didn't realize that's the hattorizakura stable until i looked them up.quote:All members of Shikihide stable have to complete their high school education, and Shikihide has also introduced yoga to his wrestlers after they have finished training for the day.[3] The stable is known for its "open door" policy, allowing anyone who can meet the entry requirements to join regardless of ability. It has several relatively small wrestlers such as Omote weighing only 67 kg (148 lb) and Baraki just 167 cm (5 ft 5 1⁄2 in) tall, and 14 of its 18 wrestlers have yet to make it past the bottom two divisions of jonokuchi and jonidan
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Aug 5, 2020 01:49
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Dr.Radical posted:Not sure how many of you subscribe to Kintamayama’s newsletter but there was something interesting today: Where does one subscribe to this? Also people running away probably isn't good..
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It's suboptimal, but it's not unheard-of. Tochinoshin actually ran away from his stable when he was a fairly new wrestler, and he ended up making ozeki!
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