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It's such an arbitrary distinction though. It lists the Oilers the 26th ranked organization despite having arguably the two best forwards on earth neither of which is yet to hit age 25.
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ThinkTank posted:So the Canucks have Petterson and Hughes as prospects? Yeah, the Sabres have Dahlin, the Canes have Svech, etc. And strictly speaking, he’s been calling it a young players ranking rather than prospects ranking. So he’s not only added in young NHL stars, but he’s also taken out older guys who haven’t cracked the league yet.
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ThinkTank posted:So the Canucks have Petterson and Hughes as prospects? Yes. ThinkTank posted:It's such an arbitrary distinction though. It lists the Oilers the 26th ranked organization despite having arguably the two best forwards on earth neither of which is yet to hit age 25. Everything is arbitrary. Why is 25 NHL games the distinction of no longer being a prospect?
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Sep 10, 2020 20:49
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He's got Detroit at 18th which I find to be very generous.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:57
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Twin Cinema posted:Everything is arbitrary. Why is 25 NHL games the distinction of no longer being a prospect? Rankings are designed to create clicks by stirring up controversy so I get it but what is he ranking here? Team's young cores or prospects that have yet to make a tangible impact at the NHL level? Because it's neither right now.
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ThinkTank posted:Rankings are designed to create clicks by stirring up controversy so I get it but what is he ranking here? Team's young cores or prospects that have yet to make a tangible impact at the NHL level? Because it's neither right now. He is ranking players 22-and-under by September 15th by team.
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I find it funny that for something as subjective as rankings, he has a strict definition of what a prospect is.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:33
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You're all bring ridiculous. It's a well known fact you can't judge a player's potential until their 350th NHL game.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:37
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There will inevitably be more controversy when the Rangers are ranked #1 with their top prospect being a guy they haven't drafted yet.
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That is a ludicrous definition of a prospect. Just say it's a top U22 list. Pronman's list sucks anyways. Has he ever done the work to show if it's any better than consensus or public rankings?
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No, but it wouldn't be hard to check it out. He's continually going back and evaluating his evaluations. He is pretty vocal in what he's gotten wrong, and how he can learn from that in evaluating players later.
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Strict U22 is defensible if what you're trying to get out of a prospect/futures ranking is team improvement, since even elite and established young players may be plausibly expected to improve.Twin Cinema posted:No, but it wouldn't be hard to check it out. He's continually going back and evaluating his evaluations. He is pretty vocal in what he's gotten wrong, and how he can learn from that in evaluating players later. Giving reasons/descriptions is the most important part. Listening to Craig Button spend half an hour describing MacKinnon, Drouin, and Jones pre-draft is when I realized that he really knew what he was talking about. (He just hosed it up when it came time to actually rank them and he fell back on "can't teach size.")
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Zodijackylite posted:There will inevitably be more controversy when the Rangers are ranked #1 with their top prospect being a guy they haven't drafted yet. Didn’t they get ranked #1 by someone a year ago before they even got that pick?
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Hand Knit posted:Strict U22 is defensible if what you're trying to get out of a prospect/futures ranking is team improvement, since even elite and established young players may be plausibly expected to improve. But that's not what anyone reasonably interprets "prospective" as meaning, and it excludes older defensemen and goalies in particular. In other news, the Canes dropped their AHL affiliate in Charlotte and swapped to the Chicago Wolves for some reason even though they're famously not accommodating to young prospects.
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eXXon posted:In other news, the Canes dropped their AHL affiliate in Charlotte and swapped to the Chicago Wolves for some reason even though they're famously not accommodating to young prospects. edit: Charlotte != Raleigh. Still crazy
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grack posted:I'd say asking a first for Matt Murray is ridiculous given his current play and medical history but gently caress it, it's the Oilers, you may as well try. Cups baby now give us a first
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eXXon posted:But that's not what anyone reasonably interprets "prospective" as meaning, and it excludes older defensemen and goalies in particular. Thus the move from ranking organizations by prospective players to ranking organizations by young players.
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eXXon posted:But that's not what anyone reasonably interprets "prospective" as meaning, and it excludes older defensemen and goalies in particular. Well, this is bad and stupid.
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https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1304206343008649217
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Using September 15th for a season that is starting like 2 months late is dumb.
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eXXon posted:That is a ludicrous definition of a prospect. Just say it's a top U22 list. He is calling it that. The only people calling it a prospects list are people that don’t actually read he article and just look at the numbers next to their favourite team and complain. “The first words of his intro” posted:Welcome to The Athletic’s look at the top young players in hockey and our 2020 ranking of the NHL organizations’ young talent. The word “prospect” is used once at the very end of the piece saying it was too drat hard to come up with a non-arbitrary definition of prospect that didn’t have weird inclusions/exclusions anyways. Aphrodite posted:Using September 15th for a season that is starting like 2 months late is dumb. It’s the draft cutoff so at least you are using guys with the same level of experience and it makes the most sense as a date to use going forward assuming the NHL doesn’t mess with eligibility rules. Edit: and it’s probably easier for hockey purposes than actual birthday since you can just look at draft class and say anyone in the 2016 draft and onwards is on the list. Especially for draft guys who probably have draft years memorized. pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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About time
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/mighty-ducks-shaun-weiss-sober-transformation-new-teeth.amp Never fly alone Shaun! 
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https://twitter.com/ThePHWA/status/1304215345213906947 Draisaitl, Marner, Backstrom, Landeskog, Glendening.
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Homer opinion: Phil Danault doesn't get the credit he deserves.
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Cartoon Man posted:https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/mighty-ducks-shaun-weiss-sober-transformation-new-teeth.amp Good God he looks decades younger Don't do meth, folks
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Spelling Mitsake posted:Homer opinion: Phil Danault doesn't get the credit he deserves. He’s pretty good but doesn’t have the points to win it.
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 at JT Miller getting a 2nd place Selke vote and nothing else. The homerist of votes.
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Matt Murray is the only rookie to win TWO Stanley Cups and if that isn't the kind of winning attitude you want in Edmonton then I don't know what to tell you give up that first rounder dammit
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Draisaitl with a fifth place vote is hilarious. 
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Maybe the price being too high is matt murray + jack johnson for a conditional 7th Haha just kidding the penguins love jmfj
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Quit helping the pens/caps/blackhawks you jackholes
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Speaking of Jack Johnson, I picked up my 2006 Future Watch Hockey News issue, and I forgot how big of a prospect Jack Johnson was. In the blurb about him, it says his style has been compared to Ed Jovanovski and Scott Stevens. The issue also has a 5- and 10-year rewind, and they ranked Klesla has the top prospect in 2001. Top-10 from 2001 is the most pathetic group of prospects I have seen: Klesla, Heatley, Jani Rita, Mika Noronen, Ari Ahonen, Jamie Lundmark, Maxime Ouellet, Vaclav Nedorost, Pavel Brendl, and Milan Kraft.
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Wonderllama posted:Quit helping the pens/caps/blackhawks you jackholes Uh, when have the Caps ever gotten Pens/Blackhawks level lopsided trade/salary dump?
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https://twitter.com/antonj85/status/1304454101279879171 Very Excited for Bobby Broberg
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Chad Sexington posted:Uh, when have the Caps ever gotten Pens/Blackhawks level lopsided trade/salary dump? Trading Orpik, having him bought or, then resigned cheap.
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Chad Sexington posted:Uh, when have the Caps ever gotten Pens/Blackhawks level lopsided trade/salary dump? They always manage to get a bevvy of picks for every one one of their forgettable middle six guys on a $4m contract.
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Zodijackylite posted:Trading Orpik, having him bought or, then resigned cheap. Yeah, I was specifically referencing this.
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