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GotLag posted:lol what happened was the Australian PM falling over himself to try and help the US administration deflect blame for totally loving up their COVID response by attempting to climb aboard the INVESTIGATE CHINA bandwagon Imagine actually believing this, that the initial response to the virus shouldn't be investigated because it Hurts Chinese Feelings and that the only possible reason anyone can be upset with China is because of perfidious Yankee influence
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Do you actually believe that the demand for an investigation was seriously expected to go anywhere and wasn't just posturing (for mostly US domestic consumption)?
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Sep 28, 2020 04:21
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Mm yes, truly the real problem here is the act of asking China to do things, and not China being run by raging pissbabies
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Sep 28, 2020 04:27
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Fojar38 posted:Mm yes, truly the real problem here is the act of asking China to do things, and not China being run by raging pissbabies China are the baddies for being pissbabies over what was a pretty innocuous thing ScoMo did. "Hey, lets have an international investigation into this Virus that seemed to come out of China." No question. But ScoMo only did that to suck up to Trump, and make it look like he was one of the big boys in international relations and Australia is important, really we are. China's tantrum response and over-reaction etc. is indeed sad, pathetic, and awful. But don't paint ScoMo as a shining knight fighting the good fight against Chinese oppression.
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Sep 28, 2020 04:33
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I don't care about the virtue or lack thereof of ScoMo and I think that trying to turn the discussion into a question of his moral character or fitness to lead is an attempt to distract from the substance of what he actually did and China's reaction to it.
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Not So Fast posted:Wait, why the gently caress would Hololive give a poo poo about One China, they're Japanese. Have confidence *China* No confidence
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Sep 28, 2020 04:57
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GotLag posted:Do you actually believe that the demand for an investigation was seriously expected to go anywhere and wasn't just posturing (for mostly US domestic consumption)? The investigation could have been called for by anyone, regardless of their integrity, and the PRC would have cried about it just as hard. They're offended by the fact that another country would call their official word into question, not the unspoken motivations of the Australian PM. Your concern about him is legitimate, but it's not what the PRC is complaining about and thus is a derail from the conversation.
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Sep 28, 2020 05:09
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oohhboy posted:Imagine Americans still getting steam out of the ears angry over Canada burning down the White House that one time instead of having a laugh today or France still pissed at Germany over both World Wars. Not France, but the British still absolutely are to this day. In a big part of the British press and media, all Germans, no matter when they were born, no matter if they're Jewish or not, or anything else that makes it unlikely or impossible, are 100% Nazis.
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Sep 28, 2020 05:54
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Yes but when eg the Daily Mail call someone Nazis does that make them for or against?
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There shouldn't have been a need to call for an investigation. An investigation should have happened as a matter of protocol and science no different from investigating an air crash. Even if it came out of Xi's butthole nobody would have cared as finding the source, information to fight the virus is the goal, not to assign blame. By engaging in a cover up and loving over WHO they made it a problem. The truth would have set them free. China only have themselves to blame. Trump being Trump is immaterial. We should still have an investigation to find the natural reservoir, figure out what happened, so we can prevent future outbreaks. Imagine the Soviet Union acting like China with Chernobyl. Madness.
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screamin and creamin posted:Not France, but the British still absolutely are to this day. In a big part of the British press and media, all Germans, no matter when they were born, no matter if they're Jewish or not, or anything else that makes it unlikely or impossible, are 100% Nazis. The Brits (well, the English, tbf) never got over losing their empire and consequently never tried to become a modern European nation. They are currently enjoying the many consequences of having such a mindset. I'd point and laugh if I wasn't painfully aware of the suffering visited upon many of my friends and family members there rn  The parallels to the situations of many other contemporary nations overrun by nationalism fueled by historical ressentiment, for example say, China, are pretty obvious. e: typos and missing words barbecue at the folks fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 07:19
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oohhboy posted:Imagine the Soviet Union acting like China with Chernobyl. Madness. Is the similarity the joke?
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The Soviets weren't calling everyone racists or selling substandard iodine pills. They sure af didn't build more of the drat things.
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Devils Affricate posted:The investigation could have been called for by anyone, regardless of their integrity, and the PRC would have cried about it just as hard. They're offended by the fact that another country would call their official word into question, not the unspoken motivations of the Australian PM. Your concern about him is legitimate, but it's not what the PRC is complaining about and thus is a derail from the conversation. China is pissed off at the slight. All the PM was trying to do was slight China to suck up to the yanks.
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Yes China is pissed off at being called out. But they are picking on Australia, because ScoMo was the first/loudest, (I think. I may be very wrong), to put their heads up and formally/officially call them out. And ScoMo was so loud/quick to call for the inquiry, because he wanted brownie points with the US and Trump. None of this excuses the tantrum, the fact that China actively withheld information from the world, and their own populace, also whilst actively threatening and bullying individuals and organizations trying to help.
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Sep 28, 2020 08:36
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barbecue at the folks posted:The Brits (well, the English, tbf) never got over losing their empire and consequently never tried to become a modern European nation. They are currently enjoying the many consequences of having such a mindset. I'd point and laugh if I wasn't painfully aware of the suffering visited upon many of my friends and family members there rn We have friendly relations with Germany and I have never ever seen a Brit seem genuinely mad at Germany over the war, including grandparents who fought in it??? Even the utter dregs of the Daily Mail will gently mock them for being too organised, or as rivals for the sunbeds on a Spanish beach. Where in our media are people going 'remember the Blitz never forget, 2000 years of history, Suez belongs to the Empire' etc?
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oohhboy posted:The Soviets weren't calling everyone racists The 'Meanwhile, you are lynching negroes' bit doesn't count? Strategic Tea posted:We have friendly relations with Germany and I have never ever seen a Brit seem genuinely mad at Germany over the war, including grandparents who fought in it??? Gonna second this - mother's background is so British she craps crumpets and pisses Pimms, but I've never heard anyone on her side badmouth the Deustch. The war's mostly talked about in a 'The latest and hopefully last of our neighbours that we fought against' fashion. WarpedNaba fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 08:57
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Atlas Hugged posted:My father has purchased a box of Costco moon cakes and is currently trying to force my mom to eat them. He has emailed me the following message: "Taiwan #1". :3 a good dad
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Sep 28, 2020 11:36
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Do people ever have moon cake fights with all the left over moon cakes?
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Sep 28, 2020 12:05
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WarpedNaba posted:The 'Meanwhile, you are lynching negroes' bit doesn't count? I guess it's pretty different than China's hurt feelings racism claims in that it was true, whereas racism isn't usually behind whatever China is complaining about.
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Sep 28, 2020 12:12
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Flannelette posted:Do people ever have moon cake fights with all the left over moon cakes? That would cause a lot of unnecessary death and injury.
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oohhboy posted:The Soviets weren't calling everyone racists or selling substandard iodine pills. They sure af didn't build more of the drat things. The Soviets would have leveraged that angle more if it held nearly as much power as it does today. Contemporary ideas of racism and how they intersect with a social media-addicted society serve as a great interface of soft power. This opportunity simply didn't exist prior to the 1990s, the Soviets were never given the chance to use it.
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Sep 28, 2020 16:52
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Weka posted:China is pissed off at the slight. All the PM was trying to do was slight China to suck up to the yanks. If they're slighted by an extremely reasonable call for an international investigation into the origins of the virus then China is still the problem, and I'm also not sure why we're calling the aforementioned extremely reasonable call some sort of unprecedented insult on the sole basis that it aligned with what the US wanted.
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This should clear up what happened. Australia going to bat for Trump is incorrect, if anything it was to get away from WH rear end hats. The EU was also making similar calls at the same time. China picked on Australia for being first, louder and big yet small enough to push around unlike the EU. Some argue Australia should have built up more international support beforehand which is debatable. OZ would have still being that same size target. Chinese pettiness would have played out the same, the disproportionate reaction is more than enough proof along with it's MO. https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/no-longer-a-joke-how-australia-s-covid-19-inquiry-campaign-won-the-day-20200520-p54uoa.html An investigation has been agreed to, but the timetable for that is  .Just about any other country other than China would have welcomed a medical team to help out right from the start no different from any other humanitarian mission. China is the aberration.
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On the other hand: Scomo is ideologically incapable of doing anything for the right reasons.
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Flannelette posted:On the other hand: Scomo is ideologically incapable of doing anything for the right reasons. Don't let one sociopath distract you from the behaviours of the others.
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trunkh posted:Don't let one sociopath distract you from the behaviours of the others. Yes.
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Open in incognito mode/Private mode etc barbecue at the folks posted:The Brits (well, the English, tbf) never got over losing their empire and consequently never tried to become a modern European nation. They are currently enjoying the many consequences of having such a mindset. I'd point and laugh if I wasn't painfully aware of the suffering visited upon many of my friends and family members there rn TIL a new word, that I have needed for decades! Thanks for that.
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Sep 29, 2020 06:29
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if you need ressentiment you also need revanchist irredentist is a good one to know too
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Red Minjo posted:For those who don't watch anime girls play videogames and read memes, two virtual YouTubers called Akai Haato and Kiryu Coco read their viewership statistics, which included Taiwan as a separate country, and instantly got harrassed super hard by Chinese nationalists, and their managers threw them under the bus for it by suspending them for 3 weeks. Not even having a stance on Taiwan, just reading the word off of a list. https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/j1eaj9/a_desperate_cn_fans_probably_last_post/ what this guy said is basically how we, HKers and Taiwanese, deal with mainland Chinese bullies. do they wanna start a fire? let it burn eventually it will backfire
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if you need ressentiment you also need revanchist I Mr. Fix It posted:irredentist is a good one to know too 'm good for revanchist, I'm googling the irredeemable orthodontic now.
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Zakrello posted:https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/j1eaj9/a_desperate_cn_fans_probably_last_post/ I read that and could not understand a word. But that is probably coz I am an old, who doesn't understand either vidja games or people playing them on the internet. Could you explain in plainer language please.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I read that and could not understand a word. But that is probably coz I am an old, who doesn't understand either vidja games or people playing them on the internet. ww3 will be fought with words and memes, all for that anime waifu
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I did not speak out when they came for the waifus, because they were holograms and not real.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I read that and could not understand a word. But that is probably coz I am an old, who doesn't understand either vidja games or people playing them on the internet. Economic decoupling via internet flame war. They are asking non-mainland fans to add oil. Basically make China hate the company so much it gets ejected out of the market thus freed of Chinese influence. If what they are saying is true the Chinese Nationalist have gone completely overboard starting a civil war in China's fanbase. The thread is a microcosm of dealing with the CCP problem.
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If I hadn't just yesterday powered through the latest SA forums drama, "At the moment, the CN hololive fanbase is basically a turmoil of raging clans." would probably be the dumbest internet thing I have read this week. edit: I think I'll just pencil that in, it seems like there's some good stuff incoming: "Worse still, China is having a 8-day holiday starting this Thursday to commemorate the establishment of current governing entity, so the nationalist will be more active in the comming week." barbecue at the folks fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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screamin and creamin posted:Not France, but the British still absolutely are to this day. In a big part of the British press and media, all Germans, no matter when they were born, no matter if they're Jewish or not, or anything else that makes it unlikely or impossible, are 100% Nazis. The Sun and the Daily Mail are not 'the British'.
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barbecue at the folks posted:If I hadn't just yesterday powered through the latest SA forums drama, "At the moment, the CN hololive fanbase is basically a turmoil of raging clans." would probably be the dumbest internet thing I have read this week. Wait, we have drama again?
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feedmegin posted:The Sun and the Daily Mail are not 'the British'. They are the British equivalent of angry Netizens though, but instead of getting angry at Taiwan they get angry at the EU.
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