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BeastOfExmoor posted:There's a negotiation thread in BFC that's very useful. Just be aware that some of the posters in there can be a little aggressive to folks new to this. That is a weirdly hostile thread. The advice is sound but they do get very goony about giving it.
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xsf421 posted:I had the weirdest offer last spring, they threw another $5k at me and wouldn't budge all on their company-standard 10 days of PTO. If i stayed 3 years I could have 12 days! (I did not accept the offer) I've talked a few companies like that, my current job is one of them. They were all older enterprises with policies that were politically very hard to modify.
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Nov 9, 2020 23:28
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Follow up question, how common are credit checks in IT? I know a background check is pretty standard for nearly any job in 2020.
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I'm doing part two of my big migrations tomorrow morning. The first of which blew up last month. I've fixed every issue that was discovered during the first pass and everything is much better understood now. I'm as prepared as I can be, and I've been 100% demotivated to do anything since I sent out the announcements and got final rsvp confirmations from everybody who's apart of it tomorrow Now I'm dwelling and waiting for tomorrow to get this out of the way.
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Yeah for time off, it's always "we cant give you 3 weeks, we're loving over all these people already and they're gonna want that!"
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Nov 9, 2020 23:37
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GreenNight posted:Yeah for time off, it's always "we cant give you 3 weeks, we're loving over all these people already and they're gonna want that!" Yeah, this was some place that ran the backend for auto auctions, and they prided themselves on giving everyone the same benefits package. I'm assuming the VPs/C levels were exempt from that.
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Tetramin posted:
I work with a guy who does the “well if you’re too dumb to follow directions I can come over there and plug it in for you”
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I'm really glad we have a policy of stopping our support at the organization's systems. The tradeoff to not having to commute is you have to provide and maintain your own home office infrastructure. Sometimes there's edge cases we'll do as a courtesy (eg explaining to a doctor why the 4G hotspot in her house in the boonies can't do reliable videoconferencing if anyone else in the house is also trying to use the internet) but for the most part if your laptop can't connect to any wifi, that's our problem, if it can't connect to your wifi, call your ISP first.
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Tetramin posted:That is a weirdly hostile thread. The advice is sound but they do get very goony about giving it. It certainly has its moments, but it also gets a lot of people drive-by posting the same questions over and over. Specifically, the question about leveraging an external offer into a counter-off with your current job gets answered every page. Also, a lot of people reading that thread way too late in the process after already giving up a lot of leverage by way of naming a number, etc. I would definitely encourage anyone in this industry, where demand for talent is high and job changes can bring huge financial gains, to read that thread and internalize some of its lessons. I know I thought it made a huge difference to me the last job switch I made.
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Nov 10, 2020 00:59
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GreenNight posted:Yeah for time off, it's always "we cant give you 3 weeks, we're loving over all these people already and they're gonna want that!"  I should read things like this more often to remind me what the other side of the coin of the higher salaries in the US is (PTO and healthcare, I guess).
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Zotix posted:Follow up question, how common are credit checks in IT? I know a background check is pretty standard for nearly any job in 2020. If they handle any banking data it’s pretty standard in my experience. Every job that’s dealt with financial data has required a credit check.
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Nov 10, 2020 01:45
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GreenNight posted:Yeah for time off, it's always "we cant give you 3 weeks, we're loving over all these people already and they're gonna want that!" Lol I started at 5 weeks
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Nov 10, 2020 02:03
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Calm down Canuk you forgot to convert to American Hours
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Is employer match for retirement savings a thing in other countries? I just realized I had no idea how that worked in countries e: huh I'm dumb I guess there are stock markets in a lot of countries CloFan fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Nov 10, 2020 02:48
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God is it hard to not rail on you for that post. Instead I’ll just say I’ll have a match in 6 months, and it’s a pathetic one.
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CloFan posted:Is employer match for retirement savings a thing in other countries? I just realized I had no idea how that worked in countries In Australia, there is a mandatory 9% of salary paid into a super fund account that you cant touch till you have retired (or under very tight circumstances) that is supposed to be for retirement. This is getting raised gradually up to about 12%, though covid might stop that for a while. Once its in the super fund you can generally chose how its invested. There is a big divide on returns between funds held by banks (poo poo returns, slick marketing, higher fees) and industry run funds (much better returns and lower fees). Some employers allow you to salary sacrifice (pay before tax is calculated) some of your pay into your super as well, but there is a limit of like $30k-$40k on that I think. You can make a standard donation by yourself at any time. Super is also taxed a lot lower than income, so it makes financial sense to throw as much money in there as possible. Also we start at 4 weeks paid leave, which doesnt include sick leave.
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klosterdev posted:I'm really glad we have a policy of stopping our support at the organization's systems. The tradeoff to not having to commute is you have to provide and maintain your own home office infrastructure. Sometimes there's edge cases we'll do as a courtesy (eg explaining to a doctor why the 4G hotspot in her house in the boonies can't do reliable videoconferencing if anyone else in the house is also trying to use the internet) but for the most part if your laptop can't connect to any wifi, that's our problem, if it can't connect to your wifi, call your ISP first. Friday a guy put a ticket in because his hotspot was dropping every five minutes Today we sat for twenty minutes outside on a picnic table while it worked fine You live in the boonies dude. Plus you’re letting your kids put their tablets and poo poo on it.
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Zotix posted:How much do you negotiate when offered a position? I've heard you should always negotiate even if it's just a little bit. Of course it always depends, my current job and my former job have both been public employment. In other words: "here's exactly how much you'll make don't bother trying to counter"
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The Iron Rose posted:how do you effectively delay responding to an offer letter?  on finding out your current employer was getting you for a discount this whole time.To answer this question: just tell them you need until Friday. It's a big decision, you're expecting an offer from another place tomorrow, and you need some time to think about it and discuss it with your spouse. Do not do this: GreenNight posted:I mean you can accept the new places offer and then decline it later if you like the counter. You will be put on their poo poo list forever. I had to move mountains to get a current coworker off our poo poo list for doing just this. You in theory set things in motion at the new company like them declining other candidates, ordering equipment, etc. It's a dick move.
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I dunno, it happens at my company maybe 1 out of every 4 people. They get hired and then decline the job before they actually start.
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H110Hawk posted:
I have done this once in my career. Its not as dire as it seems. Most companies don't have a robust enough HR to even keep track. I wouldn't do this with a fortune 500 though.
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GreenNight posted:I dunno, it happens at my company maybe 1 out of every 4 people. They get hired and then decline the job before they actually start. I can count on 1 hand the people who have done this to me and every day that ticks by makes me more mad at them. The best example I have of this is a guy who quit at 2am of his literal start date. This industry is tiny and you should learn to push back and set expectations with people, it's a key element of your job in general. Of course the hiring manager wants an answer right now on the phone, but will settle for tomorrow first thing. Talk to them reasonably about it. Obviously the lower on the totem pole the less time you can take but asking for a few days should not tank your offer.
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I work for a manufacturing company. HR told me they hired 40 people last month and 6 stayed on. So it's not something I give a poo poo about or let it bother me.
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H110Hawk posted:This industry is tiny and you should learn to push back and set expectations with people, it's a key element of your job in general. As a former coworker of yours, you might be a little biased here. Your industry is tiny, there are probably like 400 people in the USA with your skillset and most of them work at Google/Amazon/etc. Random assholes like me are a dime a dozen  .This is right, though. Speaking plainly about your expectations and needs during a potential job switch is a bar so low that you would have to dig it out of the ground in order to not meet it. Some companies do "exploding offers" but they will be very up front about this and you probably shouldn't work for them anyway. The last job I turned down they posthumously said the offer was valid for 6 months and to email them any time if I change my mind. It's ok to ask for time.
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GreenNight posted:I work for a manufacturing company. HR told me they hired 40 people last month and 6 stayed on. So it's not something I give a poo poo about or let it bother me. Hiring 40 un/semi skilled workers for manufacturing and having 6 of them show up for work a week later is different from hiring theoretically skilled labor in a "professional" environment. If your company is extending 40 job offers for IT people in hopes 6 will still be working there a week later then that is terrifying, hilarious, and you should definitely name and shame. 12 rats tied together posted:As a former coworker of yours, you might be a little biased here. Well that's terrifying, I forget who you are if I once knew it, I have trouble mapping forum names to people. Edit: Creeping your post history and seeing discussion of working in a kitchen I am now 99% sure who you are - you just recently left right? H110Hawk fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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The Fool posted:Current job I asked for an extra $10k and got it, no fuss. My raises are just a full percent under whatever inflation is and "I should be happy to even have a job" Hollow Talk posted:
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GreenNight posted:I dunno, it happens at my company maybe 1 out of every 4 people. They get hired and then decline the job before they actually start. Granted, I'm in a tiny company but I do see this on occasion. It kind of maps to when they do big hiring groups to replace people. One off hires seem to stick around more.
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Methanar posted:I'm doing part two of my big migrations tomorrow morning. It started off a wreck at the very beginning and involved about 30-45 minutes of flailing like an idiot infront of >10 people. I did some on the fly debugging why some services were crashing but I figured out what happened and fixed it relatively quick. SRE wasn't much help lmao After that initial hiccup the next hour and a half went really smooth and without major issues. In reality the whole thing could have been done in 20 minutes if I just banged it out but I deliberately took it slow and talked out loud about what we were doing and how things worked with all the SMEs on the call. 
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I really appreciate having pragmatic upper management. Instead of "put this process here and rely on users to follow it" they understand that users aren't going to follow anything 100% of the time, and guardrails need to be put up to avoid having a system where users inevitably end up following the path of least resistance, even if they're managers.
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H110Hawk posted:Edit: Creeping your post history and seeing discussion of working in a kitchen I am now 99% sure who you are - you just recently left right? September, yeah, that's me. It was a pleasure but my position at that employer unfortunately morphed into something incredibly toxic in the past year or so. At least the stock is doing well!
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So now that work from anywhere seems like its going to be around for a while, I'm thinking of changing up my learning a bit. I was looking into getting into mainly GCP since Google hires for a lot of those jobs locally and my employer has starting getting their feet wet with it. However I'm now thinking maybe I should concentrate on AWS as it seems most GCP and Azure material reference AWS terms and technologies, and AWS is the most popular platform. I figure I'd have more choices when it came to deciding if I want to keep working locally or just go remote. Thoughts?
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Bonzo posted:So now that work from anywhere seems like its going to be around for a while, I'm thinking of changing up my learning a bit. I was looking into getting into mainly GCP since Google hires for a lot of those jobs locally and my employer has starting getting their feet wet with it. However I'm now thinking maybe I should concentrate on AWS as it seems most GCP and Azure material reference AWS terms and technologies, and AWS is the most popular platform. I figure I'd have more choices when it came to deciding if I want to keep working locally or just go remote. Learning relevant content is always a good idea.
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Bonzo posted:So now that work from anywhere seems like its going to be around for a while, I'm thinking of changing up my learning a bit. I was looking into getting into mainly GCP since Google hires for a lot of those jobs locally and my employer has starting getting their feet wet with it. However I'm now thinking maybe I should concentrate on AWS as it seems most GCP and Azure material reference AWS terms and technologies, and AWS is the most popular platform. I figure I'd have more choices when it came to deciding if I want to keep working locally or just go remote. Pretty much all of the core concepts are similar across the platforms, some specific services are different and the implementation details are different. AWS is probably the most accessible, just because it is the most popular and there is a lot of content for it.
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Bonzo posted:So now that work from anywhere seems like its going to be around for a while, I'm thinking of changing up my learning a bit. I was looking into getting into mainly GCP since Google hires for a lot of those jobs locally and my employer has starting getting their feet wet with it. However I'm now thinking maybe I should concentrate on AWS as it seems most GCP and Azure material reference AWS terms and technologies, and AWS is the most popular platform. I figure I'd have more choices when it came to deciding if I want to keep working locally or just go remote. It doesn’t matter. Pick one, learn it, the lessons are broadly applicable in every service.
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The Iron Rose posted:It doesn’t matter. Pick one, learn it, the lessons are broadly applicable in every service. Yeah that's why I'm struggling and thought that at least AWS is the most basic but I suppose if I get some certs and experience in all three that won't exactly hurt me.
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12 rats tied together posted:September, yeah, that's me. It was a pleasure but my position at that employer unfortunately morphed into something incredibly toxic in the past year or so. Gotcha. I'm sorry to hear your team turned toxic.  Bonzo posted:So now that work from anywhere seems like its going to be around for a while, I'm thinking of changing up my learning a bit. I was looking into getting into mainly GCP since Google hires for a lot of those jobs locally and my employer has starting getting their feet wet with it. However I'm now thinking maybe I should concentrate on AWS as it seems most GCP and Azure material reference AWS terms and technologies, and AWS is the most popular platform. I figure I'd have more choices when it came to deciding if I want to keep working locally or just go remote. AWS is what the others are trying to catch up to (in most cases.) Learning that will be the gold standard. If you learn Azure you will get very good at making fault tolerant infrastructure, similar in GCP but they're at least intending to do that. Aliyun is another up and coming cloud. I would use it over Azure unless you have some specific reason to use azure. Regardless of which one you learn, pay attention to fundamentals. Define a problem in general terms and draw out how you want it to run, fail, data flows, etc. Then try to implement it in the cloud. You will get good at judging service capacities based on the building block instances available to you. (ec2 + S3 + EBS + glue makes up a huge portion of AWS for example.)
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Background check done, start at new job on 11/30.
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Note: I have not given notice to current job, plan to work both for at least a month.
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The Fool posted:Note: I have not given notice to current job, plan to work both for at least a month. Haha, wait until you get double paychecks. Then you will say "another month".
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