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Accretionist posted:This time-travel discussion reads like mysticism/obscurantism. As has been mentioned the theory of relativity does have its limits and doesn't explain everything, but it seems very unlikely it's just plain wrong. Just like how Newtonian physics doesn't handle some extreme cases, but we didn't find out that actually it was totally wrong that actions have a reaction or something. Elukka fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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poisonpill posted:What do you mean by information? How is there a top speed to information, and what is it in this context? Anything you or a sensor can perceive. This is practically always done with some type of EM radiation, which is all a form of light. Light moves at c (the speed of light). No information may move faster than c, because information is light.
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skooma512 posted:Anything you or a sensor can perceive. This is practically always done with some type of EM radiation, which is all a form of light. Light moves at c (the speed of light). No information may move faster than c, because information is light.
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PokeJoe posted:you'd still probably have to terraform it. earth used to have lots of life and no oxygen in the atmosphere Yeah atmospheres aren't that great. If we love atmosphere so much why is Musk trying to colonize Mars instead of Venus? Venus has tons of atmosphere.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Yeah atmospheres aren't that great. If we love atmosphere so much why is Musk trying to colonize Mars instead of Venus? Venus has tons of atmosphere.
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if theres no ufos and its just us and one day we explore all over the universe then eventually we'll probably accidentally ufo ourselves makes you think
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37134/emails-show-navys-ufo-patents-went-through-significant-internal-review-resulted-in-a-demo " These patents included bizarre technologies such as a “high temperature superconductor,” a "high frequency gravitational wave generator," a force field-like "electromagnetic field generator," a “plasma compression fusion device,” and a hybrid aerospace/underwater craft featuring an "inertial mass reduction device." They truly sound like the stuff of science fiction and seem to describe the theoretical building blocks of a craft with UFO-like performance" lol mass effect is real
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Something doesn't have to be real practicable to patent it
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phasmid posted:Who's this guy? What does he want? I can't share all the details, but what he wants is 'you' for 'anal' 'probing'.
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500excf type r posted:Something doesn't have to be real practicable to patent it Yeah patents don't really mean anything. I could easily patent my good post generator but it sure as poo poo doesn't mean it'll work. Obviously.
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Patents don't actually have to work. it's a little weird the Navy went through the trouble to essentially patent troll, but it's a big org, presumably it only takes on weirdo in the right spot to convince people it's worth the effort. Now if you want a weird UFO/government story, the Army is partnering with Tom Delonge's company/thinktank thing to research their "alien alloys."* *Supposedly they're not alloys, but metamaterials. This actually makes some sense, as there isn't such a thing as an alloy we can't determine the composition of. A material where we know the components but not how to get it into the structure it has that gives it whatever magical alien properties, or even how to describe that structure, is much more plausible as an "unknown alien material." Of course just because it's more plausible doesn't mean it's not bullshit. The F18 guncam vids are one thing, but the alien alloys thing has always seemed like bullshit to me.
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Imo that is the strongest evidence that has not been brought to light yet. UFOs are real and it seems crashed ufos are also real, the government is just not being truthful.
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Yeah wow the government doesn’t know how to make any of the poo poo it claims, that definitely proves ufos. 
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Tetramin posted:https://twitter.com/mnsheriffs/status/1339360845567025155?s=21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXu0YwLiwzo
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Facebook Aunt posted:Yeah atmospheres aren't that great. If we love atmosphere so much why is Musk trying to colonize Mars instead of Venus? Venus has tons of atmosphere. wish elon would move to venus
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Wish he'd take a trip straight to uranus LMAO
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toggle posted:wish elon would move to venus While Elon Elon slowly dies
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Inverted Icon posted:what if the aliens came to teach us magic?? They did, untap>upkeep>draw
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Everyone has a camera phone,if everyone just filmed the sky for one night imagine all the ufo footage there'd be and it wouldn't be dumb infared or radar stuff
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PawParole posted:https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37134/emails-show-navys-ufo-patents-went-through-significant-internal-review-resulted-in-a-demo Lol, so where is this garbage then? They are claiming to posses the most revolutionary technology in human history and have announced it to the public. When are they going to release or actually use it for something? Reminds me of the annual free energy scams that still manage to collect a couple million each time. Oh poo poo, I forgot the free energy machine in my other pants, but I swear it really works. You have to believe me! Our CTO with a PhD from Trump university has seen it too and can confirm it.
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If those were real, functional inventions, why in the hell would you make the patents public when they could be classified.
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Projecy Marauder is my favorite "Oh gently caress we need to classify this fast" type thing if what little is out there is to be believed. Air force made a plasma railgun, published experiments with it make it seem like it works fairly well and then everything gets classified.
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500excf type r posted:Imo that is the strongest evidence that has not been brought to light yet. UFOs are real and it seems crashed ufos are also real, the government is just not being truthful. What if... The government is a ufo? Would explain a lot of things imo
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I like the conspiracy that the whole reason for the sci fi explosion in the 1950s was to prepare us and our cultures for the inevitability of first contact. Really weird that Tom Delonge of all loving people got to be the one picked by the Navy to be like, "Hey check this out, I guess this is growing up." I'm thinking some higher up or their kid must be really into blink 182 so that's how they chose him. Can you imagine if they had asked Maynard or 6ix9ine? Doesn't mean it's necessarily true, but man I wanna believe.
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Or loving Kanye? Best plausible deniability with him.
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frogge posted:I like the conspiracy that the whole reason for the sci fi explosion in the 1950s was to prepare us and our cultures for the inevitability of first contact. Really weird that Tom Delonge of all loving people got to be the one picked by the Navy to be like, "Hey check this out, I guess this is growing up." I'm thinking some higher up or their kid must be really into blink 182 so that's how they chose him. Can you imagine if they had asked Maynard or 6ix9ine? Tom is a dumbfuck and has always been interested in UFOs. They chose him because he was always reaching out to the government and asking them to tell him about UFOs.
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That part I did not know. I'm still picturing if Maynard James Keenan was picked that we'd get a weird, snobbishly loving esoteric 11 hour TOOL album detailing everything he was told about aliens. Tom Delonge hasn't done poo poo unless you count angels and airwaves as being ufo related but that's a stretch.
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I'm sure he probably knows someone who knows someone who is a senator or some poo poo but yeah this is basically Tom Delonge's wet dream. loving built some fake rear end "academy to the stars" and poo poo around it, along with a famous "parapsychologist" loving LMAO. I would love to get real scientists involved but this poo poo is definitely not that. BTW the "parapsychologist" involved has written many "scientific" articles for the church of scientology so I'm sure "To the Stars Academy" is legit just like the Scientologists are. wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:I'm sure he probably knows someone who knows someone who is a senator or some poo poo but yeah this is basically Tom Delonge's wet dream. And that's why I'm skeptical of the alien alloys claim. The Army was at least willing to have one of their labs partner with To the Stars to study their materials, though, so looks like some scientists will be looking at it.
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Biker mice from Mars was ment to prepare us for the alien reveal
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frogge posted:I like the conspiracy that the whole reason for the sci fi explosion in the 1950s was to prepare us and our cultures for the inevitability of first contact. Really weird that Tom Delonge of all loving people got to be the one picked by the Navy to be like, "Hey check this out, I guess this is growing up." I'm thinking some higher up or their kid must be really into blink 182 so that's how they chose him. Can you imagine if they had asked Maynard or 6ix9ine? its his dad op hth
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GABA ghoul posted:Lol, so where is this garbage then? They are claiming to posses the most revolutionary technology in human history and have announced it to the public. When are they going to release or actually use it for something? I think it was harry reid that said basically that ufo stuff exists kind of beyond the oversight of the government agencies designed to track and account for stuff.
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frogge posted:I like the conspiracy that the whole reason for the sci fi explosion in the 1950s was to prepare us and our cultures for the inevitability of first contact. Really weird that Tom Delonge of all loving people got to be the one picked by the Navy to be like, "Hey check this out, I guess this is growing up." I'm thinking some higher up or their kid must be really into blink 182 so that's how they chose him. Can you imagine if they had asked Maynard or 6ix9ine? he's not like you guys (12 majestic lies)
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500excf type r posted:I think it was harry reid that said basically that ufo stuff exists kind of beyond the oversight of the government agencies designed to track and account for stuff.
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The Saucer Hovers posted:its his dad op hth Really? Goddamn how did I not put that together?
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Elukka posted:But why would they just sit on it for decades? I'm pretty sure those patents are nonsense, but let's take them at face value for a moment. They're willing to publicly announce they have all of this technology, which includes some very sought after holy grails like high temp superconductors and fusion power. It's no secret. They just opt to not use it, despite the huge industrial, scientific and military advantage it would give them. They still have Lockheed mess around with a fusion concept that probably doesn't work, they still build conventional fighter jets, and there has been no revolution in superconductors, despite having much superior technology available.
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Elukka posted:But why would they just sit on it for decades? I'm pretty sure those patents are nonsense, but let's take them at face value for a moment. They're willing to publicly announce they have all of this technology, which includes some very sought after holy grails like high temp superconductors and fusion power. It's no secret. They just opt to not use it, despite the huge industrial, scientific and military advantage it would give them. They still have Lockheed mess around with a fusion concept that probably doesn't work, they still build conventional fighter jets, and there has been no revolution in superconductors, despite having much superior technology available. I err on the side of them not having any of the technology but what would be the wise thing to do if you find a craft that is more advanced than anything you can imagine? Let's say that you can take it apart, you can even try it out on a limited basis but you have no idea how it works. What would a country do with that? Would they keep it secret or would they brag about it? Is it an advantage to tell other enemies about a technology that is super advanced but one which you are ultimately unable to use or replicate? Imagine you sent a smart phone back to the year 1920. It has more computing power than anything you'd see in 80 years and its method of manufacture and principles of operation would be completely outside of the scope of that day's science. They could maybe power it up, access whatever's on it and if by gods good grace there's some sort of programming language on there, they could make it do some stuff. They could maybe take it apart and look at the components but would they dare strip the material from the top of the chips to see what's inside? Realistically the best they could hope for is to X-ray it and examine certain elements of it with a microscope and then tuck it away for later. What would a country do with that? How about in a time of war? Now jump ahead 60 years, a fair amount of time, sure. But not a lot of time in the grand scheme of things or in the timeline of a country's internal mandates. So it's 1980. They would be able to analyse the technology much more completely and even gain some familiarity with the more advanced technologies embedded in the device. They may even be able to discern some of the radio protocols used. The current leading 'idea' out there is that governments are sitting on these things no so much because they're in league with aliens or because they're scared of what people will do but it has more to do with international dynamics. It's always best to hide your hand in international politics and having your competitor not know what technologies you have is all the better. Also, if there are alien craft, chances are that nobody knows how they're built or function so they come back at them every 10-15 years as science advances and they take another poke at figuring it out. If there are any craft in the possession of the US at all, which I doubt, but if there are I suspect that these patents and little tastes of legitimacy from the government might be a signal that they think (perhaps incorrectly) that our technological abilities might be close to cracking the case and that there might be something to learn from the public in general by generating serious discussion and inspiring scientists or theorists. I highly doubt that any action taken in that regard would be to ease the public into accepting aliens or whatever.
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