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mobby_6kl posted:So I still didn't manage to beat Razor with any amount of cheating, so I gave up for now and went to try Saints Row 2, which I remember as being the most fun open-world games, and see how it works in comparison. I'll get to that later, but first a few technical issues, which I remember from back in the day, but not as severely: Also, the frame rate wasn't originally capped at 30. The game ran at 60 or higher, but anything over 30 (and especially over 60) would cause cutscenes to poo poo themselves. You used to have to use a mod to cap the frame rate, but the GOG release includes the tweak by default. Oh, and if you played on Windows 7, the entire game would run in fast motion unless you used a third-party tool to tweak the game speed. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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PerilPastry posted:This is especially hilarious given how you are always given an opportunity to turn down a drink. It's the most consistent player choice in the game, and I, for one, am planning on a teetotaling corpo run after this "To this!"
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PerilPastry posted:This is especially hilarious given how you are always given an opportunity to turn down a drink. It's the most consistent player choice in the game, and I, for one, am planning on a teetotaling corpo run after this I tried on my second run, but then I got to the Afterlife bar with Jackie just before the heist. Knowing what's coming I just couldn't refuse the drink he bought me in his glee at finally rubbing shoulders with the legends in the Afterlife. See you in the big leagues pal. 
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Corpo's dialogue with the receptionist during the heist is so good in a "wow, i'm a loving dick!" way
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GREAT SATAN posted:But maybe I'm misreading you, and you're saying that it was more the way that the story was told, and not the story itself that you didn't like. If the artistic integrity of the story you're telling absolutely relies on this temporary character swap, well alright, you can still tell "Johnny Silverhand's story" without an unskippable scene where his girlfriend's bare privates are on display for minutes on end. These are creative decisions that tell me a lot about the mindset of the development team. It says "our game is made for straight male players no matter how much superficial role-playing there might be. Customize your V to your heart's content, but our default story will still oblige you to play through straight sex because straight sex is the default in this story and we didn't think anyone would mind that, or we didn't care." Like exquisite tea said, imagine if the situation was reversed, and the story makes it so that a gay man's personality is implanted in you and all players are compelled to deep-throat a schlong in order to progress the storyline, because said gay man's memories of enjoying massive horsecock is pivotal to the soul of the story. It sounds ridiculous. It is ridiculous.
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mobby_6kl posted:So I still didn't manage to beat Razor with any amount of cheating, so I gave up for now and went to try Saints Row 2, which I remember as being the most fun open-world games, and see how it works in comparison. I'll get to that later, but first a few technical issues, which I remember from back in the day, but not as severely: I think Volition is working on an improved PC port of Saint's Row 2, since they found the previously lost source code about a year ago.
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BrianWilly posted:Like exquisite tea said, imagine if the situation was reversed, and the story makes it so that a gay man's personality is implanted in you and all players are compelled to deep-throat a schlong in order to progress the storyline, because said gay man's memories of enjoying massive horsecock is pivotal to the soul of the story. It sounds ridiculous. It is ridiculous. I think that would be fine. The only reason that wouldn't be fine is because society is still pretty terrible regarding man/man stuff
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Doc M posted:I think that was specifically one of CD Projekt's now-defunct subsidiaries in China or somesuch. They opened a bunch of offices in various countries in the late 00s, just in time for the financial crisis to hit. Max Wilco posted:I think Volition is working on an improved PC port of Saint's Row 2, since they found the previously lost source code about a year ago.
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I'm pretty mad, that they faded black on the granny sex scene with Rogue . This is ageism. 
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Andrast posted:I think that would be fine. The point is that we can all be fine with it in a purely hypothetical way, because the CP2077 with compulsory male/male sex scenes doesn't get made.
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The guys they have working on the Saints Row II PC remaster/update/whatever are actually the same dudes - IdolNinja and Minimaul - who spent years trying to unfuck the original PC port. 
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BrianWilly posted:I mean, it's both. If the game's premise is that you're allowing players to customize their character and their character's sexual preferences, suddenly being forced to press X to gently caress a woman in the middle of that experience is really disruptive, even under the thin justification of you experiencing another character's memories. 3D pornography is weird and I don't want it in the videogames I play. If the game forces the player to partake in simulated sexual acts in order to advance that story, that's also crossing a line that is bad for video games as a whole (extrapolating into the far flung future where games take place in haptic feedback VR worlds that's basically an act of rape (a future which ironically Cyberpunk 2077 also lampoons in some of the in-game advertisements)). HOWEVER, some of the best stories, novels, movies do involve sex in their plots. I just don't see how it is possible for videogame developers to win here. Players want to self-insert and there are an infinite amount of preferences and playstyles your players will bring with them into the game. But there's only so much story you can write to either satisfy them or at least not outright offend them.
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exquisite tea posted:The point is that we can all be fine with it in a purely hypothetical way, because the CP2077 with compulsory male/male sex scenes doesn't get made. Yeah and it sucks that society is still so lovely about it. I just don't consider the thing that actually is in the game bad. Terrible embarassing sex scenes are a wrpg table and all genders/orientations should be able to get in on the action
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didn't someone itt say there's a way to just not gently caress and it's not actually mandatory? Some dialog choice or whatever? The pacifist playthrough is impossible although you could technically get out of the game with zero kills, only KOs, but is the celibate run able to be completed?
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SniperWoreConverse posted:didn't someone itt say there's a way to just not gently caress and it's not actually mandatory? Some dialog choice or whatever? The pacifist playthrough is impossible although you could technically get out of the game with zero kills, only KOs, but is the celibate run able to be completed? V doesn't have to gently caress, but there's one mandatory flashback sex-scene as Johnny Silverhand.
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GREAT SATAN posted:3D pornography is weird and I don't want it in the videogames I play. If the game forces the player to partake in simulated sexual acts in order to advance that story, that's also crossing a line that is bad for video games as a whole (extrapolating into the far flung future where games take place in haptic feedback VR worlds that's basically an act of rape (a future which ironically Cyberpunk 2077 also lampoons in some of the in-game advertisements)). They could just do a fade to black instead of awkwardly grinding 3D models against each other. In fact there's already a scene in the game that does do that so clearly CDPR decided that in the other scenes it was vitally important that the player sees The gently caress as it happens for whatever reason.
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adhuin posted:V doesn't have to gently caress, but there's one mandatory flashback sex-scene as Johnny Silverhand. i could have sworn there was a way to avoid it and just have him talk but idk e: Bland posted:They could just do a fade to black instead of awkwardly grinding 3D models against each other. In fact there's already a scene in the game that does do that so clearly CDPR decided that in the other scenes it was vitally important that the player sees The gently caress as it happens for whatever reason. welp. Can you fast forward with cyber time dilation like whenever you talk to anyone? Lol if no.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:didn't someone itt say there's a way to just not gently caress and it's not actually mandatory? Some dialog choice or whatever? The pacifist playthrough is impossible although you could technically get out of the game with zero kills, only KOs, but is the celibate run able to be completed? You can skip one encounter of the three that you need to go on if you want to access the male/male romance (or even meet the guy involved in it).
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Bland posted:They could just do a fade to black instead of awkwardly grinding 3D models against each other. In fact there's already a scene in the game that does do that so clearly CDPR decided that in the other scenes it was vitally important that the player sees The gently caress as it happens for whatever reason. There are censored versions of Cyberpunk for middle-east and Japan, but they go even farther and censor the manticore ads and other nudity too.
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GREAT SATAN posted:HOWEVER, some of the best stories, novels, movies do involve sex in their plots. I just don't see how it is possible for videogame developers to win here. Players want to self-insert and there are an infinite amount of preferences and playstyles your players will bring with them into the game. But there's only so much story you can write to either satisfy them or at least not outright offend them. Like...plenty of good games with representation exist. Setting it aside as some halcyon pipe dream is simply letting Cyberpunk 2077 off the hook for not only half-assing it but outright regressing in ways that plenty of other studios have outpaced. "You can't please everyone" is a sentiment that serves to benefit people who weren't doing it right in the first place. A good step might be for them to listen to what demographics who feel unsatisfied might have to say, or to have more diverse voices on the team in the first place who would notice these disparities in the development process. edit: And I should make it clear, there are plenty of good things here as well. The actual Kerry romance, once you get past all the vagina requirements, comes across just fine. Plenty of players have been pleased with the lesbian romance as well. It's not like the game needs a top-down overhaul or anything, we're simply talking about some specific issues that disrupt the experience in ways that it shouldn't have to. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Can you fast forward with cyber time dilation like whenever you talk to anyone? Lol if no. Nope you can only fast forward dialogue itself, not actions. Also dialogue while moving is the worst, the game fast forwards but stops you. Once you get into replaying the game you realize that skipping/fast forwarding through some sections really loving sucks. A "skip entire scene" would be great.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Can you fast forward with cyber time dilation like whenever you talk to anyone? Lol if no. Nope, you have to reach climax you can't fake your way out. Sir Tonk posted:car radio stopped working, cool. Sometimes the radio stops to leave way for a news or weather announcement and just... either no announcement or it takes a long time for music to come back.
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GREAT SATAN posted:HOWEVER, some of the best stories, novels, movies do involve sex in their plots. I just don't see how it is possible for videogame developers to win here. Players want to self-insert and there are an infinite amount of preferences and playstyles your players will bring with them into the game. But there's only so much story you can write to either satisfy them or at least not outright offend them. No one in this argument is objecting to the idea of sex in games, or in narratives generally. The problem being raised is that the game offers the idea that it'll be open to all players and their experiences, regardless of their gender or sexuality, when it still largely preferences the male gaze, in some frankly quite ludicrously obvious ways. It can't make any claim to true parity.
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Katt posted:People joke about how the Fallout protagonist is such an outlandish junky what with doing all the drugs all the time but V will just slam any shard into her brain with little to no prompting. From any source even when they mention it has a virus on it. How about chill out and be cool? If I want to do brain drugs and get a virus, I can just reformat my brain. EZPZ.
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nerve posted:doesnt the game also have you carry multiple injured naked women around, on top of the mandatory gently caress? like they wrote it that way. they didnt have to write it that way. it's weird and gross. In such a way that you see their breasts, yeah. When you have to carry men for a quest, they're slung over your shoulder like any random goon.
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PerilPastry posted:The male gaze of this game is so blatant sometimes that you can only laugh at it, really In that scene you control where to stand and where to look, "The male gaze of this game" was coming from inside of you all along
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PerilPastry posted:The male gaze of this game is so blatant sometimes that you can only laugh at it, really With the harness, it creates a literal heart shaped rear end. This poo poo is ridiculous.
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adhuin posted:I'm pretty mad, that they faded black on the granny sex scene with Rogue . There was no scene, doesn't rogue call it off?
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Savy Saracen salad posted:There was no scene, doesn't rogue call it off? Johnny finishes the job in his ending route
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Savy Saracen salad posted:There was no scene, doesn't rogue call it off? Ending path spoilers If you choose to go guns blazing as Johnny as your ending, there's one last time before the final mission in afterlive. It faded to black though.
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Bland posted:Johnny finishes the job in his ending route So that's why he tried so hard to derail my happier ending. Here I just thought she couldn't cope with Jenny Silverhand's big v energy.
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Pyromancer posted:In that scene you control where to stand and where to look, "The male gaze of this game" was coming from inside of you all along Very true. I saw too many memes about Pam Pam Panams rear end, before I actually visited her. I was very disappointed. She just looked like mechanic fixing her car. This was no Mass Effect 2 buttcam situation.
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Pyromancer posted:In that scene you control where to stand and where to look, "The male gaze of this game" was coming from inside of you all along That's not even my screenshot! As a person of class and refinement, I had V make bunny ears next to the butt, thank you very much.
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BrianWilly posted:That's just untrue. Plenty of games have allowed satisfying self-insert storylines. Plenty of games have included romantic or overtly sexual components without it being ridiculous. Okay, I think we finally drilled down to what the real issue is--representation and what that actually means in the context of video games. My perspective is that I want the games I play to tell me a good story. Sometimes those stories are told from a straight cis POV and sometimes they are not. It seems like you're saying you want good stories too, but you want the option to control the specific sexuality of the protagonist. Sorry if this all comes off as defending the status quo but what I'm really trying to talk about is a writer's ability to tell a story and not being obliged tell every story in every game.
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adhuin posted:Very true. I saw too many memes about Pam Pam Panams rear end, before I actually visited her. Isn't it a Transformers one reference? They really are stuck in that decade, huh? Considering the Portal reference.
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adhuin posted:Very true. I saw too many memes about Pam Pam Panams rear end, before I actually visited her. This is my opinion as well. You can literally talk to her from any angel. I did not even see that scene as I was talking to her from near the driver's seat. All I saw was a woman whom was an expert mechanic and has a short temper. If you are going to talk about that? What about the Judy scene in the diving suit ? Or manmeat River forcing you to walk behind him in slo-mo in his quests?
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GREAT SATAN posted:Okay, I think we finally drilled down to what the real issue is--representation and what that actually means in the context of video games. My perspective is that I want the games I play to tell me a good story. Sometimes those stories are told from a straight cis POV and sometimes they are not. It seems like you're saying you want good stories too, but you want the option to control the specific sexuality of the protagonist. Yeah but don't you think it's a little weird how the kind of stories that get told over and over again kind of make it seem like male/female sex is the standard, default experience that everyone has to sit through and anyone who wants to see something different has to go looking for it, sometimes by hilariously crawling right over the compulsory hetero parts?
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