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Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

SkySteak posted:

I've been meaning to ask this, and it relates more to Youtube Pop/Semi Serious history people more than anything else; but does TIK have some sort of controversy to him? I remember Military History Visualized in one video speaking about how he supported TIK on something even if he (to paraphrase) "didn't agree with all his views,". It just seemed like such a specific disclaimer that it made me wonder if there is some sort of contention more than usual when it comes to TIK. Apologies if this isn't really relevant to this thread but I felt it'd be the best place to ask.

Oh, him! I remember watching a bunch of his videos a while back. By and large they seemed decent (to my thoroughly untrained eye), but then during some Q&A video he started going on a somewhat unprompted long tangent about how great Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard were, and how the Austrian school of economics is the light, and that to be a good historian you should view things through the lens of axioms and "logic" (i.e. praxeology). That, together with some weird asides about how the mean marxists, hegelians, and postmodernists are doing bad history because of a supposed embracing of contradictions or somesuch, all gave me a rather :chloe: vibe.

As it happened his next video suggested by youtube was along the lines of "No, Hitler was totally a real socialist", which somehow had a length of 4 and a half hours. It was about that time that I decided I'd rather bail on that channel.

Perestroika fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 4, 2021

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Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Like many people TIK is alright when he stays within his main focus but rapidly turns to poo poo outside of it.

We really need a recommended/suggested YouTuber list in the OP.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

If you’re like “both of those sound like Sparta”, you’re right.

The rest of Greece wasn’t much better, if you read the Iliad it’s like “:stare: All these guys would be the villain in anything else. “

Aren't you conflating what were basically two almost entirely different societies, Mycenean and Classical Greek?

Loezi
Dec 18, 2012

Never buy the cheap stuff

Perestroika posted:

As it happened his next video suggested by youtube was along the lines of "No, Hitler was totally a real socialist", which somehow had a length of 4 and a half hours. It was about that time that I decided I'd rather bail on that channel.

I've been enjoying his Stalingrad thing, but I have absolutely zero intent to click on the weird long multi hour videos on the precise nature of socialism.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Turns out I'm bad at keeping track of what week this is, have another double:

T-54

T-44 production

Queue: Soviet HEAT anti-tank grenades, T-34-85M, Myths of Soviet tank building: interbellum tanks, Light Tank M24, German anti-tank rifles, PT-76 modernizations, ISU-122 front line impressions, German additional tank protection (zimmerit, schurzen, track links), Winter and swamp tracks, Paper light tank destroyers, Allied intel on the Maus , Summary of French interbellum tank development, Medium Tank T20, Medium Tank T23, Myths of Soviet tank building, GMC M10, Tiger II predecessors, Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.H-J,IS-6, SU-101/SU-102/Uralmash-1, Centurion Mk.I, SU-100 front line impressions, IS-2 front line impressions, Myths of Soviet tank building: early Great Patriotic War, Influence of the T-34 on German tank building, Medium Tank T25, Heavy Tank T26/T26E1/T26E3, Career of Harry Knox, GMC M36, Geschützwagen Tiger für 17cm K72 (Sf), Early Early Soviet tank development (MS-1, AN Teplokhod), Career of Semyon Aleksandrovich Ginzburg, AT-1, Object 140, SU-76 frontline impressions, Creation of the IS-3, IS-6, SU-5, Myths of Soviet tank building: 1943-44, IS-2 post-war modifications, Myths of Soviet tank building: end of the Great Patriotic War, Medium Tank T6, RPG-1, Lahti L-39, T-80 T-62 T-64 T-72A comparative trials, American tank building plans post-war, German tanks for 1946, HMC M7 Priest, GMC M12, GMC M40/M43, ISU-152, AMR 35 ZT, Soviet post-war tank building plans, T-100Y and SU-14-1, Object 430, Pz.Kpfw.35(t), T-60 tanks in combat, SU-76M modernizations, Panhard 178, 15 cm sFH 13/1 (Sf), 43M Zrínyi

Available for request (others' articles):

:ussr:
Shashmurin's career
BT-7M/A-8 trials
Voroshilovets tractor trials
T-55 underwater driving equipment

:911:
Light Tank T37
Light Tank T41
Medium Tank M46
Modernization of the M48 to the M60 standard

:brexit:
Pre-war and early war British tank building

:godwin:
Oerlikon and Solothurn anti-tank rifles
German tank building trends at the end of WW2
Pz.Kpfw.III/IV
Evolution of German tank observation devices

Ensign Expendable fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 5, 2021

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Weka posted:

Aren't you conflating what were basically two almost entirely different societies, Mycenean and Classical Greek?

But the people in the Iliad were heroes to classical Greeks, who didn't know much about Mycenae as a culture beyond that.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Rather like saying modern Englishmen must be like Newton since they revere him.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Rather like saying modern Englishmen must be like Newton since they revere him.

Ehhh, more like saying The Tudors is more about 21st century British values than 16th century English values.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
WW2 Data

Back in the new year with a new update, a continuation of the German rifle grenades available. We have three different types on hand, starting with a flat-headed hollow charge weapon, followed by a propaganda rifle grenade, and lastly an illuminating kind. How did the hollow charge weapon work? How would it act if it didn't make full contact against its intended target? How does one identify the shell of a propaganda grenade? What's the name for the illuminating star rifle grenade? All that and more at the blog!

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Tulip posted:

Ehhh, more like saying The Tudors is more about 21st century British values than 16th century English values.

The Iliad was probably composed at the beginning of the archaic period so unless your talking about Sparta at the time of Lycurgus or something it's more comparable to Shakespeare's play King John (crowned 1199). It represents neither the values of now or the time it is set.

E: is the tudors worth a watch?

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Rather like saying modern Englishmen must be like Newton since they revere him.

As an Englishman...no, I really don't, and if I did it would be for 'being kinda smart' rather than an actual hero? Whereas Achilles or Hector for example actually were admired as such by classical Greeks.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Perestroika posted:

Oh, him! I remember watching a bunch of his videos a while back. By and large they seemed decent (to my thoroughly untrained eye), but then during some Q&A video he started going on a somewhat unprompted long tangent about how great Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard were, and how the Austrian school of economics is the light, and that to be a good historian you should view things through the lens of axioms and "logic" (i.e. praxeology). That, together with some weird asides about how the mean marxists, hegelians, and postmodernists are doing bad history because of a supposed embracing of contradictions or somesuch, all gave me a rather :chloe: vibe.

As it happened his next video suggested by youtube was along the lines of "No, Hitler was totally a real socialist", which somehow had a length of 4 and a half hours. It was about that time that I decided I'd rather bail on that channel.

Uh, wow, idealizing von Mises is some seriously hardcore libertarian “slavery is good!” poo poo. He’d be more in touch with reality if he went on a Qanon rant.

For example:

quote:

The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive. This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as: should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die (e.g., by not feeding it)? The answer is of course yes, following a fortiori from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. (Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society the existence of a free baby market will bring such "neglect" down to a minimum.)

:wtc:

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

"It should be legal to kill childen. Nobody will of course because it'll be more profitable to sell them into slavery."

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Loezi posted:

I've been enjoying his Stalingrad thing, but I have absolutely zero intent to click on the weird long multi hour videos on the precise nature of socialism.

You have more faith than I in people's ability to compartmentalise their insanity

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Ugly In The Morning posted:

If you’re like “both of those sound like Sparta”, you’re right.

Case In point: The narrator In 300 is based on Aristodemus. He was ordered home by Leonidas because his eye was damaged. When he arrived In Sparta he was branded a coward. He regained some of his honor when he died In the battle of Platea, but not all of it because the spartans considered it 'suicide by persians'.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Weka posted:

The Iliad was probably composed at the beginning of the archaic period so unless your talking about Sparta at the time of Lycurgus or something it's more comparable to Shakespeare's play King John (crowned 1199). It represents neither the values of now or the time it is set.

E: is the tudors worth a watch?

The first season or so is kind of okay in a Sunday morning with a hangover just want to binge a thing and Natalie Dormer’s pretty kind of way.

I’m not bitter I watched it but I wouldn’t storm the ramparts to see it.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




One cool thing about the Illiad is that we can date it because Homer describes armor and battle tactics.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Alhazred posted:

One cool thing about the Illiad is that we can date it because Homer describes armor and battle tactics.

Does it like Italian food and a long walk holding hands?

(Sorry. Awful joke because coffee hasn’t metabolized.)

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Jobbo_Fett posted:

WW2 Data

Back in the new year with a new update, a continuation of the German rifle grenades available. We have three different types on hand, starting with a flat-headed hollow charge weapon, followed by a propaganda rifle grenade, and lastly an illuminating kind. How did the hollow charge weapon work? How would it act if it didn't make full contact against its intended target? How does one identify the shell of a propaganda grenade? What's the name for the illuminating star rifle grenade? All that and more at the blog!

Can you try to left align all your text? I lose my mind trying to read more than a sentence or two when every paragraph is centered.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Weka posted:

The Iliad was probably composed at the beginning of the archaic period so unless your talking about Sparta at the time of Lycurgus or something it's more comparable to Shakespeare's play King John (crowned 1199). It represents neither the values of now or the time it is set.

E: is the tudors worth a watch?

Mm, fair enough.

I don't think I finished The Tudors but it was fun. It's got that kind of classic form of historical inaccuracy where it gets a pretty good amount of the details right (not nearly all) but contextualizes everything in a way that's sexy to 21st century viewers to the extent that it's mostly unintentionally funny. Of the half dozen or so dramatizations of Henry 8 I've seen (my mom really likes the era) it's probably got the least interesting thesis (Henry 8 justified a bunch of petty personal vendettas on the basis of preserving the crown, whoa!), but pretty costumes and still fairly fun.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Cross posting from the OSHA thread, apparently there exists film of HMS Barham capsizing as it's rear magazine detonates. Fair warning: 862 people died in this event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Perestroika posted:

Oh, him! I remember watching a bunch of his videos a while back. By and large they seemed decent (to my thoroughly untrained eye), but then during some Q&A video he started going on a somewhat unprompted long tangent about how great Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard were, and how the Austrian school of economics is the light, and that to be a good historian you should view things through the lens of axioms and "logic" (i.e. praxeology). That, together with some weird asides about how the mean marxists, hegelians, and postmodernists are doing bad history because of a supposed embracing of contradictions or somesuch, all gave me a rather :chloe: vibe.

As it happened his next video suggested by youtube was along the lines of "No, Hitler was totally a real socialist", which somehow had a length of 4 and a half hours. It was about that time that I decided I'd rather bail on that channel.

His video on Mussolini was also weirdly positive, repeatedly praised him, and glossed over almost all of the bad Mussolini poo poo. There wasn't a smoking gun or anything in there, and he never outright said that he sure liked this Mussolini guy, but it was just very :chloe: .

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Finally, episode 6 is out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU74NLJsvws

Had some issues the first go-around recording this one, so Mr. X was left out to avoid any further delays in getting an episode out. I also fumbled my numbers for the .30 cal calibre. That aside, we take a look at the Curtiss Model 75 / Hawk 75 / P-36.

Next video will be about the Bristol Blenheim, then maybe a foray into something crazy, like a World War 1 Bomber, Zeppelins, or something from Yugoslavia or Dutch.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Ugly In The Morning posted:

If you’re like “both of those sound like Sparta”, you’re right.

The rest of Greece wasn’t much better, if you read the Iliad it’s like “:stare: All these guys would be the villain in anything else. “

Yeah the story about the guy getting stabbed by widows was Athenian, not Spartan.

Epiphyte
Apr 7, 2006


Are there any books/articles on bringing the Iowa class back in the 80s?

Not so much the political side, but I'd be fascinated to find out what they had to do technically and how they had to try to relearn the institutional knowledge from a bunch of retired 60 year olds

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

Here's a WWII US Army training film covering tank driving. Of particular interest to me is the starting of the diesel engine. Apparently it was done with a shotgun shell, as seen at 10:48.

Also, the tank commander communicated with the driver by putting his foot between the driver's shoulder blades and pressing harder to go faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA-_23PnLu8&t=648s

Also, a training film on tank gunnery, detailing what weapons to use in a particular scenario. Lots of cute stop motion tank action on the sand table, as well as actual footage of M4s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdIfooKL4tY

PeterCat fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jan 6, 2021

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

PeterCat posted:

Here's a WWII US Army training film covering tank driving. Of particular interest to me is the starting of the diesel engine. Apparently it was done with a shotgun shell, as seen at 10:48.

Also, the tank commander communicated with the driver by putting his foot between the driver's shoulder blades and pressing harder to go faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA-_23PnLu8&t=648s

Also, a training film on tank gunnery, detailing what weapons to use in a particular scenario. Lots of cute stop motion tank action on the sand table, as well as actual footage of M4s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdIfooKL4tY

Lots of engines were started by shotgun shell, since they used aircraft engines, which comprised a blank shotgun cartridge to turn the engine over / cranked the engine.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffman_engine_starter


Edit: Some engines had problems with these starters because of the vigorous nature of the starter, and could lead to damage. I believe the max they would typically have was 6 blanks to try and start the engine. For example, the Napier Sabre engine had 5 tries and, if it required all 5 to start the engine, they had to inject oil in all 24 cylinders via the spark plugs.

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jan 6, 2021

White Coke
May 29, 2015

Alhazred posted:

Case In point: The narrator In 300 is based on Aristodemus. He was ordered home by Leonidas because his eye was damaged. When he arrived In Sparta he was branded a coward. He regained some of his honor when he died In the battle of Platea, but not all of it because the spartans considered it 'suicide by persians'.

Didn't he charge out of the phalanx which was a serious taboo?

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

PeterCat posted:

Also, the tank commander communicated with the driver by putting his foot between the driver's shoulder blades and pressing harder to go faster.

This was very common even in tanks with an intercom. Communicating with touch/gestures is faster when you're in an experienced crew.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




White Coke posted:

Didn't he charge out of the phalanx which was a serious taboo?

Sparta had som many taboos you were bound to break them sooner or later. Enjoying loving your wife? The spartans frowned up on that.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

What if I enjoy loving someone else's wife?

White Coke
May 29, 2015

Alhazred posted:

Sparta had som many taboos you were bound to break them sooner or later. Enjoying loving your wife? The spartans frowned up on that.

Breaking from the phalanx was frowned upon throughout Greece.

The Lone Badger posted:

What if I enjoy loving someone else's wife?

That depends on whether they're a Spartiate or Helot.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Reading about that Coffman engine starter was so cool, that interwar period when everyone was figuring out mechanics and engines for the first time is really interesting. I love the image of all these fingerless men running around with pockets full of shotgun shells to start their airplane which they would then immediately crash.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Rather like saying modern Englishmen must be like Newton since they revere him.
nerds who didn't bone; probably

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Something I've been wondering about the American Civil War - did the proximity of the two opposing capitals have interesting effects on the war's strategic balance?

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

FPyat posted:

Something I've been wondering about the American Civil War - did the proximity of the two opposing capitals have interesting effects on the war's strategic balance?

That's a bit of a vague question but if you're wondering about how it affected both sides strategy- the answer is, "extensively". The Confederate Army of Northern Virginia was prioritized heavily in a way that often left the other Confederate forces in the cold for that very reason. A severe defeat on either side left the capital open, and both sides kept sizable garrisons at their capitals(though Davis was less stingy about releasing bits of the Richmond Garrison than Lincoln was about the DC garrison). Early, with a weakened corps in 1864 made it all the way to Fort Stevens outside Washington which drew a heavy response from Grant, whereas Sherman.. well..

Sherman posted:

"drat him! if he will go to the Ohio River I'll give him rations! The nearer the rebels come to us, the easier it will be to kill them."

This is in reference to Hood's late 1864 attempt to counterattack by getting in behind Sherman after Atlanta fell. That all being said, Sherman did send troops to Tennesee to stop Hood, but the defense of capitals, especially on the US side, was a huge concern.

For example, the need to keep a strong force between Richmond and DC was one of the reasons Irvin McDowell was very reluctant to leave his position on the Rappahannock while McClellan was fighting his way up the James to Richmond.

If you take a look at a map, you'll find a huge number of battles(and some of the largest) basically took place in a fairly small geographical area in Northern Virginia, with Antietam and Gettysburg being outliers in the East, both representing Confederate invasions northward, past DC.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Wait a minute, is the USS Hood which Will Riker famously served on named after John Hood? I find this unsettling.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
am i being wooshed? it's clearly named after Samuel Hood

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The Lone Badger posted:

What if I enjoy loving someone else's wife?

Whatever, Alcibiades.

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Polyakov
Mar 22, 2012


Pryor on Fire posted:

Wait a minute, is the USS Hood which Will Riker famously served on named after John Hood? I find this unsettling.

No its named for HMS Hood of the Royal Navy which was named for Admiral Samuel Hood.

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