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uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
papa nurgle is just happy to be here, you know?

look at that grin. just keep laughin'!

uber_stoat fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Feb 5, 2021

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AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
Nurgle is a loving and generous god who treasures all life, right down to the bacteria and viruses

its unfortunate that you have to die and rot so all the little maggots and funguses can get a new home but if you ask very nicely Papa Nurgle will take away all the pain and might even find a way to let you stay in your body without you dying, the maggots and fuguses do need a new home though and they are coming in one way or the other

rideANDxORdie
Jun 11, 2010
My understanding as an outsider is that GW gas always been pretty tight about licensing, and the reason that vermintide and TW Warhammer were made using WHFB property was it was dead IP at the time and they didn't care or think the games would land.

Now the games are popular and people like me are interested in WHFB so they are bringing it back? Regardless, bad business instincts all around sounds like

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
GW is actually pretty savvy. They've got basically nothing to lose with giving out their license because it all comes back to their tabletop game and their insanely good stock values. If a game is a hit like Warhammer or Vermintide then they benefit but if it flops because a budget studio half assed things it doesn't hurt them. They have the clout to throw the license to a hundred different people and they only need to succeed once to recoup their investment.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

The old leadership was bad and ran Fantasy into the ground, while the new leadership is printing money and doing things to appeal to fans.

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues
The real End Times is whichever playthrough you did of TWW1 or 2 where you hilariously beat Archaon up. For me it's always that one very angry tree man marched up and beat them all up before they could even leave the Chaos wastes.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
For me it was the one where Skarsnik and about 20,000 angry gobbos managed to corner him in subterranean beatdowns.

Noir89
Oct 9, 2012

I made a dumdum :(
Mine was when me as Khazrak and Archaon buddied up and burned down the entire old world, all crappy humans, dwarfs and greenskins included :smug:

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013
For me it was the time Vlad ignored the Empire and migrated north, took over Kislev and bullied Chaos and Norsca so much that every single Elector Count allied with him, ganged on Reikland and proclaimed him the Emperor after the Chaos invasion failed to get even out of Norsca.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
I'm partial to when Archaon ran into a wall of dwarfen flamethrowers and lost most of his HP before he even made it into melee... with a group of Slayers, who finished the job.

Burginator
Sep 10, 2007

Two ALL BEEF patties,
Special Sauce?
Let Us Cheese.

TheLastRoboKy posted:

The real End Times is whichever playthrough you did of TWW1 or 2 where you hilariously beat Archaon up. For me it's always that one very angry tree man marched up and beat them all up before they could even leave the Chaos wastes.

One of my first wins was a Nakai game where Archaeon showed up and I just punched him to death with giant punchy kroxigors. I like to imagine he was really excited about the invasion until the first time a 15 foot tall lizard punched him right in the face

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Steamhead Duardins > Chaos tbh

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Burginator posted:

One of my first wins was a Nakai game where Archaeon showed up and I just punched him to death with giant punchy kroxigors. I like to imagine he was really excited about the invasion until the first time a 15 foot tall lizard punched him right in the face

"Everyone Has a Plan Until They Get Punched in the Mouth By a Giant Crocodile Man."

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

rideANDxORdie posted:

Regardless, bad business instincts all around sounds like

Since 2018 GW stock has more than tripled in value, sales are through the roof even through the pandemic and they've managed to keep all plastic manufacturing at home in England instead of outsourced to China or somewhere else and even though their second factory has been delayed in coming online they still managed to increase production at their main factory by 30% during said pandemic. They are quite literally the opposite of "bad business" right now.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Eej posted:

Since 2018 GW stock has more than tripled in value, sales are through the roof even through the pandemic and they've managed to keep all plastic manufacturing at home in England instead of outsourced to China or somewhere else and even though their second factory has been delayed in coming online they still managed to increase production at their main factory by 30% during said pandemic. They are quite literally the opposite of "bad business" right now.

I know I bought models because I'm stuck at home with gently caress all else to do other than assemble and paint up an army

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

SteelMentor posted:

I could whip up some quick descriptions of any of the AoS units in the post above and if they're likely to make it over into TWW3 if anyone's interested in a particular unit of weirdos.

Please do

Noir89
Oct 9, 2012

I made a dumdum :(

Burginator posted:

One of my first wins was a Nakai game where Archaeon showed up and I just punched him to death with giant punchy kroxigors. I like to imagine he was really excited about the invasion until the first time a 15 foot tall lizard punched him right in the face

I like Archaon but my heart have a soft spot for giant angry crocodiles, tho I prefer the non-puncy variant, just giving every angry younger race a propper paddlin.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I'm grateful to my strong negative interest in painting army dolls for saving me from spending tons of money on tabletop. I love the idea of having a cool looking army, but :effort: and holy poo poo some of the prices are insane. This series makes me happy because I get to be a Warhammer player without having to do any of that poo poo.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

SteelMentor posted:

I could whip up some quick descriptions of any of the AoS units in the post above and if they're likely to make it over into TWW3 if anyone's interested in a particular unit of weirdos.

i'm interested in this in general because, goddamn if the warhammer wiki isn't completely unreadable. folks were talking about Nagash hurting the chaos gods earlier and i could barely make it thu 2 paragraphs of his entry. something a little more plainspoken would be quite welcome.

rideANDxORdie
Jun 11, 2010
Yeah I understand they are not stingy with the IP now, I meant more about the 2000s and early 2010s. Now there's licensed WH and 40k poo poo everywhere but for a long time they seemed not interested

The "bad business sense" part was referring to licensing out your dead property then scrambling to revive it after the licensing revives interest but clearly I've touched a nerve and also don't know/care that much about tabletop

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Muscle Tracer posted:

i'm interested in this in general because, goddamn if the warhammer wiki isn't completely unreadable. folks were talking about Nagash hurting the chaos gods earlier and i could barely make it thu 2 paragraphs of his entry. something a little more plainspoken would be quite welcome.

oh I can clear up the thing about Nagash hurting the Chaos Gods

When he resurrected all of Nehekhara he literally ripped their souls out of the afterlife and it is said that when he was doing it both gods and daemons screamed in agony

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

TheLastRoboKy posted:

The real End Times is whichever playthrough you did of TWW1 or 2 where you hilariously beat Archaon up. For me it's always that one very angry tree man marched up and beat them all up before they could even leave the Chaos wastes.

For me it will always and forever be



It feels sad to know that probably no playthrough of Warhammer 3 or the combined Mortal Empires is going to have a moment that matches up to this one.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Dandywalken posted:

Steamhead Duardins > Chaos tbh

I am still unsure where the Steamhead Duradin thing came from, cause it does not exist.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Whats happening in that pic?

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Whats happening in that pic?

Deathclaw Karl-Franz's mount is stomping on Archaon.

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

TheLastRoboKy posted:

The real End Times is whichever playthrough you did of TWW1 or 2 where Archeon dies off screen because before the latest patch chaos invasions were a joke.

ftfy

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





MonsterEnvy posted:

Deathclaw Karl-Franz's mount is stomping on Archaon.

Lol rekt

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
Now for everyone to go play OvN as halflings and realize that the true best race is never coming in.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Eej posted:

Since 2018 GW stock has more than tripled in value, sales are through the roof even through the pandemic and they've managed to keep all plastic manufacturing at home in England instead of outsourced to China or somewhere else and even though their second factory has been delayed in coming online they still managed to increase production at their main factory by 30% during said pandemic. They are quite literally the opposite of "bad business" right now.

This was well after the old CEO was forced out, to be fair.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Cythereal posted:

I'm partial to when Archaon ran into a wall of dwarfen flamethrowers and lost most of his HP before he even made it into melee... with a group of Slayers, who finished the job.

its how he wanted to go

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Chaos Weirdos from AoS who might get into TWW3 to pad out the Army Rosters IDK: Khorne

Bloodreavers


A berserker cult that forms a large part of Khorne's forces known as the Bloodbound in AoS, the Bloodreavers are cannibals who gather up the wounded and incapacitated left over after a victorious battle, offering them a choice. Join their feast as an honoured guest, or join it as the main course. Those who accept, no matter how underhanded or insincere their answer is, are doomed the moment the raw meat touches their lips, infecting them with the same madness that infects their new comrades.

Might be an interesting addition to the game as a fast glass cannon unit, though their whole deal could step on the Norscan Berzerkers' toes a little. They get either dual hand weapons or a great weapon.

Blood Warriors


Chosen that have completely given themselves utterly to Khorne, what little rationality a Chaos Warrior has scoured away by sheer rage. So utterly consumed by Khorne's blessing, Blood Warriors will fight on through the most grievous of injuries, showing resilience to make Nurglites blush.

A mainstay unit for Bloodbound, Blood Warriors come with either double hand weapons, a hand weapon and bladed buckler or a great weapon, which would make them a handy mainstay unit for a Khorne faction. Their main ability on the TT is to fight as they're killed, which would make for a cool Frenzy like ability (does the HPA get something like that or am I misremembering?).

Slaughter Priests


Khorne may look down upon formal temples as a coward's form of worship, but he does have his own priesthood. Slaughter Priests are warriors struck with a divine calling to exhort the legions of Khorne onto greater acts of barbarism. Prestigious soldiers in their own right, Slaughter Priests can augment their allies with direct blessings from Khorne, though if the priest fails to provide the necessary worthiness of such interventions, they may just explode in a geyser of boiling blood.

If they're gonna do Khorne any thematic justice then there's gonna be zero access to magic for a Khorne faction. Slaughter Priests would be a great way to fill in the need for buffs and direct damage the same way Runepriests do for the Dwarfs while being a solid offensive hero unit.

Khorgorath


A Khorne specific kind of Chaos Spawn born from apex predators drawn into Khorne's thrall when their need to kill becomes not just driven by hunger, but by the satisfaction of murder. Reshaped by Khorne into a more bizarre form, newly born Khorgoraths find their animalistic hunger replaced by a need to devour the skulls of fallen foes to stave off the pain of its tortured existence, a satisfaction only temporary as Khorne compels them to surrender their feast to his throne.

Obviously Chaos needs monsters and Khorne has these doofy fuckers. The smaller kind (left) would fit in as monstrous infantry like the current spawn, while the Greater Khorgorath (right) would make for a good anti-large monster imo.

Skullreapers and Wrathmongers


Technically introduced as part of End Times rather than AoS, we might probably see these thrown in like I feel Blight Kings will be for Nurgle, just for variety's sake. Warrior Elites who form their own castes inside Khorne's forces, both teeter on the precipice between ascending higher or becoming a mindless spawn. Skullreapers are heavily mutated weapons masters who seek out only the most worthy foes while Wrathmongers are partially possessed berserkers. The latter have a named character, Skarr Bloodwrath, whose gimmick is that Khorne refuses to let him die.

Skullgrinders


Murderously silent metalsmiths who've claimed a blessed Brass Anvil from Khorne's own forges, Skullgrinders forge powerful weapons for worthy Khornates who prove themselves. In battle, they haul these anvils about on massive iron chains, supernatural strength allowing them to crush their foes in such spectacularly brutal ways it inspires lesser warriors around them.

Another candidate for Khorne-unique heroes. Kinda like a bigger, buffer Goblin Fanatic without being quite as suicidal. Could provide some interesting army bonuses to represent their between-slaughters work.

Deathbringers


Lesser champions of Khorne who have not yet earned the renown to lead their own armies of the Blood God. Exalted Deathbringers (left) tend to lead sizable tribes and will act as war council to greater Lords of Khorne they pledge themselves too, while Aspiring Deathbringers will either lead small warbands or will band together themselves to seek glory on the battlefield.

While I doubt we'll see much variety in Khorne's generic Lord choices, it would be neat to see Exalted Deathbringers as a specialised sort of combat Lord, especially if they give them a polearm/spear like the one pictured. Likewise, Aspiring Deathbringers would make for a cute retheming of either the existing Exalted Champions heroes or Aspiring Champions units.


Next up, Tzeentch's musclebois and birbs.

SteelMentor fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Feb 5, 2021

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

rideANDxORdie posted:

Yeah I understand they are not stingy with the IP now, I meant more about the 2000s and early 2010s. Now there's licensed WH and 40k poo poo everywhere but for a long time they seemed not interested

The "bad business sense" part was referring to licensing out your dead property then scrambling to revive it after the licensing revives interest but clearly I've touched a nerve and also don't know/care that much about tabletop

The bad business sense was made back in the years of their loony management. Once they ditched mr crazy they saw the value of their old IP with the good press from the video games and put to work reviving the line. There were a lot of people mad at how End Times went down and how barebones Age of Sigmar was at launch. The Old World, 40K 8th edition and the much sharper business sense for media tie ins is a direct response to ten years of stagnation and bizarre management decisions.

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

TheLastRoboKy posted:

The real End Times is whichever playthrough you did of TWW1 or 2 where you hilariously beat Archaon up. For me it's always that one very angry tree man marched up and beat them all up before they could even leave the Chaos wastes.

My most recent one was Throt and way too many heavily mutated Hellpits and skavenslaves trapping Archaon in the chaos wastes.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
They should use Sigvald's AoS sculpt tbh

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
The actual end times was when the psychotic knife ears in Athel Loren decided to return everything to the forest, through a combination of excessive aerial bombardments and angry tree people. Archaon tried to save the world from forest apocalypse but got turned into a pincushion for his trouble.

At least that's how my last wood elf game went.


Edit: you'd think tzeentch wouldn't be the one with so many BEEF LARGECHEST infantry, but holy poo poo the bird god doesn't like his followers skipping gym day. They got bullied one too many times by Khorne's followers and are out for revenge.

Don Gato fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 5, 2021

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

SteelMentor posted:

Chaos Weirdos from AoS who might get into TWW3 to pad out the Army Rosters IDK: Khorne
Boy, I don't think I like any of those!

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Mordja posted:

Boy, I don't think I like any of those!

They all just look like variants on standard Marauders and Warriors for the most part. Nothing special or particularly interesting. Not even very differentiated models.

A Perfect Twist
Aug 15, 2007

"What have I done? I'll have to start again. To forget and to disappear. I'll head north, far-north, to that big question mark, the Northern Territory"

Mordja posted:

Boy, I don't think I like any of those!

I don't like them either but I might enjoy killing them with dinosaurs when I get the chance.

Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019
It kills me that WFB got merked right before the lovely management got chucked in the bin. It was doing bad enough for drastic measures to be needed, but you coulda probably salvaged the setting and just thrown out the lovely rules. instead of blowing the whole thing up.


I'd also point anyone even remotely interested in buying actual minis towards your local/online 2nd hand retailer where you can probably score most minis at a fair discount. Still pretty steep pricing though, especially for Americans.

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AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
The AoS Khorne stuff is the least differentiated from their Undivided counterparts I like the other three better myself

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