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Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


It's not from anything Marvel-related but I think Douglas Adams inadvertently came up with the best explanation for their multiverse:

Mostly Harmless posted:

Very little of this is at all comprehensible to anyone below the level of Advanced God, and since it is now well-established that all known gods came into existence a good three millionths of a second after the Universe began rather than, as they usually claimed, the previous week, they already have a great deal of explaining to do as it is, and are therefore not available for comment on matters of deep physics at this time.

You don't stand the remotest chance of understanding it. You can therefore say "What?" and "Eh?" and even go cross-eyed and start to blither if you like without any fear of making a fool of yourself.

The first thing to realize about parallel universes, is that they are not parallel.

It is also important to realize that they are not, strictly speaking, universes either, but it is easiest if you try and realize that a little later, after you've realized that everything you've realized up to that moment is not true.

The reason they are not universes is that any given universe is not actually a thing as such, but is just a way of looking at what is technically known as the WSOGMM, or Whole Sort of General Mish Mash. The Whole Sort of General Mish Mash doesn't actually exist either, but is just the sum total of all the different ways there would be of looking at it if it did.

The reason they are not parallel is the same reason that the sea is not parallel. It doesn't mean anything. You can slice the Whole Sort of General Mish Mash any way you like and you will generally come up with something that someone will call home.

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radlum
May 13, 2013

Barry Convex posted:

well, on top of asking fans to wait five years or more for the actors playing LGBT characters to age up, in a franchise starved for LGBT representation, you're not getting a gay Wiccan/Hulkling romance on screen with a 14-year-old actor playing Billy, at least not in any form that most fans of that pairing in the comics would be happy with

which brings me to what I was alluding to last post: with Chavez being cast so young, and it still being an open question whether Tommy/Billy will be aged up anytime soon, and with canonically straight YA members Kate Bishop and Cassie Lang both being played by actors well into their twenties... well, if the twins aren't aged up in the WV finale, it would certainly raise the concern that Marvel Studios is deliberately casting LGBT characters very young so they have an excuse not to do romantic subplots with said characters anytime soon.

that might sound a bit paranoid, but it's not like Marvel Studios has exactly earned any benefit of the doubt with respect to LGBT representation


except that Hailee Steinfeld is 24, and with Cassie Lang, they actually replaced the teenage actor who played her in Endgame with another 24-year-old, Kathryn Newton

I share your fears; people who are too into Marvel stuff say that the kids who play Billy and Tommy might have filmed DS2 so I fear that Marvel is gonna try to keep those characters too young for a while so they can avoid mentioning that they are gay/bi by just making them too young to have significant romantic plots.

I still hope that's not the case, but this is Disney we are talking about.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Have they ever elaborated what powers Vision has from the mind stone and what his body normally has?

Seems like flying and the beam are obviously because of the stone. But, was the Ultron able to phase? Seems unlikely.

Is White Vision essentially just a very strong and very durable walking dude?

Somewhat related: Why did the mind stone make Quicksilver super fast?

Gaebril
Dec 18, 2016
I'd say that the Vision body should be able to do anything that an early Iron Man armor could do, which includes flying and beams

Mage_Boy
Dec 18, 2003

This hotdog is about as real as your story Steve Simmons




Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:


Somewhat related: Why did the mind stone make Quicksilver super fast?

Either they retconned it so it didn't or they haven't explained it yet. If they change it they might go with the "he already had a power and being exposed to the stone activated it." This could also explain adding mutants as someone else suggested.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Have they ever elaborated what powers Vision has from the mind stone and what his body normally has?

Seems like flying and the beam are obviously because of the stone. But, was the Ultron able to phase? Seems unlikely.

Is White Vision essentially just a very strong and very durable walking dude?

Somewhat related: Why did the mind stone make Quicksilver super fast?

Evil Fed dude mentioned being exposed to the source reactivating him, so he may just be getting residuals from the crazy mind stone power Wanda is putting out that let him perform stone related abilities.

As for Quicksilver, my guess is maybe he was like Wanda in that he had a residual, untapped power that the stone super charged. Weird seems to run in her family.

Gaebril
Dec 18, 2016

Party Boat posted:

The way this interacts with time travel is simply that universe designations follow stories. Following the time heist the MCU is now a different universe to one where they didn't time travel, but it's still Earth-199999 because that's the story we're following. The universes where the Avengers just gave up after failing to stop Thanos exist but have gone unnumbered because there's no story there.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting this, but the MCU isn't "now a different universe", it's established that you can't change your history like Back to the Future. They borrowed the stones from a different universe, and that universe would quite likely have a different progression of history, at minimum because they lose their Thanos. That universe doesn't have an Infinity War and Endgame, while "our" MCU doesn't have Cap whispering "Hail Hydra" to Sitwell.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Kung Food posted:

Evil Fed dude mentioned being exposed to the source reactivating him, so he may just be getting residuals from the crazy mind stone power Wanda is putting out that let him perform stone related abilities.

As for Quicksilver, my guess is maybe he was like Wanda in that he had a residual, untapped power that the stone super charged. Weird seems to run in her family.

I was thinking maybe Wanda actually gave her brother super speed.

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

Barry Convex posted:

well, on top of asking fans to wait five years or more for the actors playing LGBT characters to age up, in a franchise starved for LGBT representation, you're not getting a gay Wiccan/Hulkling romance on screen with a 14-year-old actor playing Billy, at least not in any form that most fans of that pairing in the comics would be happy with

Why not? :colbert: I know this isn't something you're saying, but there's nothing wrong with kids having cute kid crushes. Googly eyes, blushing, stuttering. Maybe even hand holding. 14 is perfect "first crush" age and it would be incredibly cute.

There's this weird idea that kids being lgbt is like, inappropriate somehow and I hate it. Straight kids get plots like this all the time, Boy Meets World, Malcolm in the Middle with Cynthia, the boy next door on Sister, Sister who had a crush on the sisters when he was like 12, Six had a crush on Joey in Blossom, etc.

Come on, Disney, it's time to tell kids it's ok to be gay. Do iiiiiiiiit

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The last season features Phil Coulson going to hell and then being reborn as a sentient robot that gets stuck in a time loop and fucks Ming-Na Wen.

Also, they go back in time to find a young Bill Paxton who gets teleporting powers after a nazi injects him with the blood of a man with no eyes.
My favorite part was when they had the DARKHOLD of DARKNESS: THE DARKENING, a magic book where reading it makes you evil and insane, and they had the bright idea to have a robot read it because it couldn't possibly work on a robot, and then that robot turned evil and insane.



Also wow Clark Gregg aged like 30 years over the course of making that show

Assepoester fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Mar 3, 2021

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
So, anyone taking bets that Evan Peters is playing some random dude from Westview with speed powers completely unrelated to the Foxverse?

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

Bedshaped posted:

So, anyone taking bets that Evan Peters is playing some random dude from Westview with speed powers completely unrelated to the Foxverse?

It would be beyond trolling to cast Evan Peters as Quicksilver and have it turn out that he's just a random guy who happens to have that face. Plus, Deadpool 3 is going to be part of the MCU so they're going to bridge the gap eventually anyway.

enki42
Jun 11, 2001
#ATMLIVESMATTER

Put this Nazi-lover on ignore immediately!

live with fruit posted:

It would be beyond trolling to cast Evan Peters as Quicksilver and have it turn out that he's just a random guy who happens to have that face. Plus, Deadpool 3 is going to be part of the MCU so they're going to bridge the gap eventually anyway.

I mean, Deadpool is probably the one franchise where they can just do it without any justification or backstory whatsoever (or just outright acknowledging the idea of cinematic universes and movie production companies fighting over rights), so I don't think Deadpool 3 is forcing Disney / Marvel's hand on anything

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice
It's a shame the CCP would censor outright gayness (or would they?) because there's a huge market for it in China. They toned it down for the tv series but The Untamed on Netflix (or the better Chinese name: Founder of Diabloism) is a wildly popular and super gay series of books.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010


I would give so much to go out in the world with my art with the confidence of Rob Liefeld
Clearly he's got major deficiencies but fuckin' first sketch ink and color that badboy we're on a deadline, ship it

There's something deeply admirable about that

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice
What are the chances Kamala Harris shows up on Ms. Marvel? I'd give it 90%

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

I can't wait to entertain you.
It’s not been established who is president in the current MCU. We know Obama was a one term president and replaced with Ellis. I’m guessing at some point someone is going to reference Trump, which would mean he followed Ellis and was another one term president as well. Seems like something which might be addressed in Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

rivetz posted:

If Wanda's Vision has Vision's soul but is lacking his true body, and White Vision has Vision's actual body but no real soul (?), maybe she just hot-swap or combine em somehow. This seems totally obvious in hindsight but it's only just now occurring to me as an easy way to get Vision back onto the team for good.

The whole theme this show has been revolving around is 'how do you deal with grief?'

If it turns out the show's answer is 'just bring your loved one back to life!' that will suck immensely.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Thundercracker posted:

What are the chances Kamala Harris shows up on Ms. Marvel? I'd give it 90%
Nah these properties are too international for Marvel/Disney to gently caress it up with explicit real world politicians and they know it. You'll get vague analogy characters that don't mean anything like Ellis at most.

radlum posted:

I share your fears; people who are too into Marvel stuff say that the kids who play Billy and Tommy might have filmed DS2 so I fear that Marvel is gonna try to keep those characters too young for a while so they can avoid mentioning that they are gay/bi by just making them too young to have significant romantic plots.

I still hope that's not the case, but this is Disney we are talking about.
Yeah there's a lot of conjecture about Marvel gearing up long-term for a "Young Avengers" movie which makes a certain sense, but the 24 year-old actresses for some of the prospective characters + 10-14 year-old actors for others mean we're going to have to wait and see if there's any real traction there. Do we know who's playing Ironheart yet?

lomzus
Mar 18, 2009
Dominique Thorne is playing Ironheart.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

I would give so much to go out in the world with my art with the confidence of Rob Liefeld
Clearly he's got major deficiencies but fuckin' first sketch ink and color that badboy we're on a deadline, ship it

There's something deeply admirable about that
Just to clarify, that particular shot of ROMAN is by Marat Mychaels, one of Liefeld's proteges. He obviously learned that confidence from Liefeld, though.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
Hasn't it been announced that Young Avengers is going to be a show, or is that just speculation?

gey muckle mowser
Aug 5, 2003

Do you know anything about...
witches?



Buglord

The United States posted:

My favorite part was when they had the DARKHOLD of DARKNESS: THE DARKENING, a magic book where reading it makes you evil and insane, and they had the bright idea to have a robot read it because it couldn't possibly work on a robot, and then that robot turned evil and insane.


I loved that season, the actress who played Aida was so good. In fact AoS S4, taken on its own, might be my favorite MCU thing to date.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

gey muckle mowser posted:

I loved that season, the actress who played Aida was so good. In fact AoS S4, taken on its own, might be my favorite MCU thing to date.

Yeah, by far the best season. They managed to take Ghost Rider, the Darkhold, and LMD's, re-invent the Matrix and somehow make it all work. Plus bringing back Ward (and as a good guy!)

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


swickles posted:

Yeah, by far the best season. They managed to take Ghost Rider, the Darkhold, and LMD's, re-invent the Matrix and somehow make it all work. Plus bringing back Ward (and as a good guy!)

Just chiming in to say that I stopped at Season 3 I think since I thought they couldn't top it but I will definitely be watching Season 4 now at least!

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

live with fruit posted:

Hasn't it been announced that Young Avengers is going to be a show, or is that just speculation?

Speculation, there’s been no such announcement.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

live with fruit posted:

Hasn't it been announced that Young Avengers is going to be a show, or is that just speculation?

Pure speculation.

There are no big Avengers projects announced, the X-Men and Fantastic Four are still huge question marks, and while they have plenty of characters to slap together an Avengers project for (Falcon, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Ant-Man) including new blood (Shang-Chi, Eternals, She-Hulk) the fact that no such project has been announced is curious.

There's also no clear "goal" like the first Avengers movie or the Infinity Stones being worked toward. All we know is "Multiverse, Young Heroes, Disney+, Mutants and FF eventually."

Then you correlate that with all the younger heroes-- most of whom are deliberate legacy heroes (Kate Bishop, Ms. Marvel, Ironheart, Wiccan/Speed, Stature), and it's a reasonable guess that if they were building for a Young Avengers event movie way down the road, that's the starting block to work from.

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


Thundercracker posted:

What are the chances Kamala Harris shows up on Ms. Marvel? I'd give it 90%

lmao what in the world? this won’t happen, inshallah

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

mind the walrus posted:

Pure speculation.

There are no big Avengers projects announced, the X-Men and Fantastic Four are still huge question marks, and while they have plenty of characters to slap together an Avengers project for (Falcon, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Ant-Man) including new blood (Shang-Chi, Eternals, She-Hulk) the fact that no such project has been announced is curious.

There's also no clear "goal" like the first Avengers movie or the Infinity Stones being worked toward. All we know is "Multiverse, Young Heroes, Disney+, Mutants and FF eventually."

Then you correlate that with all the younger heroes-- most of whom are deliberate legacy heroes (Kate Bishop, Ms. Marvel, Ironheart, Wiccan/Speed, Stature), and it's a reasonable guess that if they were building for a Young Avengers event movie way down the road, that's the starting block to work from.

Fantastic Four isn't a question mark. They have a director and they've started looking for a writer. And I think Feige has said that there won't be big Thanos-level threats but smaller contained storylines like the WandaVision/No Way Home/Multiverse of Madness trilogy.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

live with fruit posted:

Fantastic Four isn't a question mark. They have a director and they've started looking for a writer. And I think Feige has said that there won't be big Thanos-level threats but smaller contained storylines like the WandaVision/No Way Home/Multiverse of Madness trilogy.

Until the sightings of the shiny man on the surfboard start appearing. But I'm guessing that's probably phase 6, if they ever get there. For some reason I expect either Eternals, Thor 4, or GotG 3 to have a small Galactus reference.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

The_Doctor posted:

Until the sightings of the shiny man on the surfboard start appearing. But I'm guessing that's probably phase 6, if they ever get there. For some reason I expect either Eternals, Thor 4, or GotG 3 to have a small Galactus reference.

Captain Marvel's rumored to be in Thor 4 so they might as well start planting some Cosmic Avengers seeds.

An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Bedshaped posted:

So, anyone taking bets that Evan Peters is playing some random dude from Westview with speed powers completely unrelated to the Foxverse?

live with fruit posted:

It would be beyond trolling to cast Evan Peters as Quicksilver and have it turn out that he's just a random guy who happens to have that face. Plus, Deadpool 3 is going to be part of the MCU so they're going to bridge the gap eventually anyway.



Get ready to be trolled! I read an article yesterday that interviewed the director of the final episode. They said that people are going to be disappointed by the ending based on current fan theories.

To me that means they are not ready to do a big mutant reveal. I think hiring Evan Peters is just a tease of how phase 4 will end, a little foreshadowing.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


The_Doctor posted:

Speculation, there’s been no such announcement.

Indeed, I am basing this on the rooster of characters they have been announcing. So, you put it all together and consider that there might be that chance. Aside that the old Avengers are all getting too old already. Something tells me Disney and Marvel would love this franchise to continue for another 20 years.

Edit:

An Ounce of Gold posted:

Get ready to be trolled! I read an article yesterday that interviewed the director of the final episode. They said that people are going to be disappointed by the ending based on current fan theories.

To me that means they are not ready to do a big mutant reveal. I think hiring Evan Peters is just a tease of how phase 4 will end, a little foreshadowing.

Yeah, I had could hear the sad trombone when I read that.

I'm already making up my mind that Fietro is totally going to be some random person/a hexed cicada/whatever unimportant and nothing else.

Desperado Bones fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Mar 3, 2021

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

live with fruit posted:

Fantastic Four isn't a question mark. They have a director and they've started looking for a writer. And I think Feige has said that there won't be big Thanos-level threats but smaller contained storylines like the WandaVision/No Way Home/Multiverse of Madness trilogy.
Fantastic Four is on the docket, but still a huge question mark.

Feige did say that there would be more smaller threats, that's why I'm saying that Young Avengers seems more plausible as speculation. If all the Disney+ shows take and the actors are all playing ball, suddenly it's a layup to do a "Young Avengers" Disney+ show or movie in 2024-5 to pad out the portfolio.

Test Pattern
Dec 20, 2007

Keep scrolling, clod!

Alchenar posted:

The whole theme this show has been revolving around is 'how do you deal with grief?'

If it turns out the show's answer is 'just bring your loved one back to life!' that will suck immensely.

Very, that's why, if he is resurrected, he has to immediately leave Wanda. An MCU with a Vision in it who still cares for Wanda but is not with her and repulsed by her actions and a Wanda who is finally grieving her loss of Vision rather than denying it with tricks and is remorseful for her abuse of a whole town is an MCU with interesting storytelling opportunities that use two genuinely good actors.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
There's also theories that he's Mephisto or Nightmare or whoever the big bad is so it could be a misdirect.

It's also possible that he's playing a Quicksilver if not exactly the Quicksilver from the Fox movies. It sounds like Foxx and Molina are playing versions of their S-M characters but not the actual guys.

live with fruit fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Mar 3, 2021

Adus
Nov 4, 2009

heck

An Ounce of Gold posted:

Get ready to be trolled! I read an article yesterday that interviewed the director of the final episode. They said that people are going to be disappointed by the ending based on current fan theories.

To me that means they are not ready to do a big mutant reveal. I think hiring Evan Peters is just a tease of how phase 4 will end, a little foreshadowing.

yeah when he didn't show up at all last episode i figured it was going to be disappointing because there's no way they're going to try and fit in a big thing like that while also resolving everything else.

i think my only hope now is they don't really explain him too well and there's at least a possibility that's who he is. because i'd really like his version of quicksilver not to be lost due to that x-men universe basically being done otherwise.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
Agnes says "he's my crystalline creation" something to that effect. My take was she created a body and Wanda pulled the real pietro into that shell. A quicksilver golem, of sorts. I believe his line about "I died and then I heard you calling me" as truthful. Why knows, I assume I'm wrong.

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


iirc she calls him a crystalline possession, which implied to me she didn’t create the body

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KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

Jam Buddies

I think that, seeing as we know Scarlet Witch will be in Dr Strange, but have heard nothing of Bettany being present in it and thus no Vision, that this is gonna end with a similar arc to Vision's reaction to some of comic book scarlet witch's trauma bullshit:

Him saying he loves her, but he can't be close to her because shes hurt too many people, and that he needs time to think.

It's too bad this series already took a lot from the Vision run about his synthoid family and its dysfunctional attempts to exist.

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