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from some of the campaign spoilers in Okoii’s most recent video I think this DLC is a direct lead up to the events of warhammer 3. all the way up to quest battles against demonic forces (no demon units but khorngors I bet)
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i assume they learned some kind of lesson from the Norsca debacle.
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Jul 13, 2021 20:49
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uber_stoat posted:i assume they learned some kind of lesson from the Norsca debacle. We know they did, if for no other reason than because the preorder race for 3 isn't available in 2. I hope I'm wrong about the release date, and that it'll launch in good shape this year. I guess so many other games facing delays and/or botched releases recently just has me pessimistic in general, but it's true that building a third game off the work done in the first two should hopefully put them in a stronger position than a lot of other games with big problems.
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Jul 13, 2021 21:06
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Sinteres posted:We know they did, if for no other reason than because the preorder race for 3 isn't available in 2. If the preorder race is Ogres, then they found a nifty way of making them available in 2 without actually making them available.
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Jul 13, 2021 21:13
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I was debating a Dwarf/Greenskins as my next campaign to play as I've not tried either. The new Dwarf rework settles that for me (though I hear Orkz are in a great place right now) - anyone have any suggestions on the most interesting/fun LL or campaign to do?
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Jul 13, 2021 21:21
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In regards to the concept of "defensive armies," my exception to them as Empire is keeping one around to protect Marienburg and the northern coast from Norsca and Rakarth. Because gently caress actually going there to put them down and eating attrition while their other armies sneak around your invading force. They can come and die on the shores of the Empire all day long.
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Jul 13, 2021 21:27
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:They did the unique campaigns in WH1 with woodelves and beastmen, nobody liked them or played them much and they charged a extra 10$ for the time spent on the map nobody played. I liked them but Rome 2 and Attila had much better smaller campaigns. Warhammer is the perfect scenario for smaller campaigns, they just need to be...interesting.
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Communist Thoughts posted:I want them to rush ham3 out the door so we can get to the ogres faster
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Jul 13, 2021 21:44
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toasterwarrior posted:In regards to the concept of "defensive armies," my exception to them as Empire is keeping one around to protect Marienburg and the northern coast from Norsca and Rakarth. Because gently caress actually going there to put them down and eating attrition while their other armies sneak around your invading force. They can come and die on the shores of the Empire all day long. Last Reikland campaign I thought “what if I just leave those bastards to it” and ignored Marienburg completely. Worked out surprisingly well, various annoying north factions far too busy beating up each other to even bother declaring war on me. Real Cool Catfish fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 13, 2021 |
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Jul 13, 2021 21:50
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Does anyone have some experience with Drycha campaign? I'm feeling kind of aimless in my current one, I've secured the whole province that borders her starting Gryphon Wood on the East/South and have now finished off Mannfred and Vlad. I don't have any active wars with anyone around me anymore. It's around turn 60 and I'm thinking I should have been off using Deeproots to do... something else instead of fighting a mini hellwar with the VCounts. I've looked at some "first 20 turns" style guides which usually end before getting to where I am. Mostly I'm wondering around what turn should I be using Deeproots to move Drycha's army somewhere else? And where to? Should I be killing the other wood elf factions and taking their forests? Also having not played a bunch of Wood Elf before, is it normal to only have one army for a while? I'm feeling particularly pinched economically between the race's weird building mechanics and fairly expensive, elite roster.
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Jul 13, 2021 22:00
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toasterwarrior posted:In regards to the concept of "defensive armies," my exception to them as Empire is keeping one around to protect Marienburg and the northern coast from Norsca and Rakarth. Because gently caress actually going there to put them down and eating attrition while their other armies sneak around your invading force. They can come and die on the shores of the Empire all day long. I don't know, I find Marienburg is one of the easiest places to defend as soon as you get walls. The money is too good to ignore too. I don't even bother completing the province, the city itself makes bank. Once those walls are up you're set and it takes like 2+ full stacks to get you out of there. Great choke points on that map and you can usually just recruit Gotrek and Felix to defend it when you see them coming.
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Jul 13, 2021 22:06
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Nah, Marienburg is cool but I also generally leave the rest of the regions in that provinces to the Nordlanders or Middenlanders. I do keep Grung Zint though, for the marble resource. Finally, it's not necessarily an army meant to sit in Marienburg, I will have it assist in nearby areas, and especially Bretonnia because those dudes can actually make decent headway towards loving up the Norscans.
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Jul 13, 2021 22:10
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My last playthrough as Empire I made a decent bit of gold out of keeping an army in the Wasteland just from the number of Dark Elf and Norscan armies I ambushed. Any time it got quiet for too long I'd go sack a couple Norscan settlements. Drycha provided the same service, the independent empire factions could never finish her off so every once in a while I'd go sack her tree for a ton of gold.
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Jul 13, 2021 22:39
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AnEdgelord posted:Mandy's review is up "The Warhammer 2 launch was rough..." I mean it's been 5 years, so I have largely forgotten specifics about a video game launch, but I don't recall thinking WH2 had a bad one. I do remember not liking the Vortex and shelving the game until the ME came out.
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Jul 13, 2021 22:40
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Sasgrillo posted:"The Warhammer 2 launch was rough..." That would be called a rough launch.
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Brings it full circle back to the Norsca disaster that delayed everything. That and in the Vortex campaign it didn't take people long to realize that the "vortex race" you were involved in you didn't actually have to do anything and the final battle and battles to prevent others from winning were literally so easy you could afk and come back to a heroic victory.
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Jul 13, 2021 22:59
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Lots and lots of units mysteriously losing 2 melee attack is due to them having frenzy, which is getting buffed by 2 melee attack and now also boosts AP damage. (For anyone briefly mystified like I was) The minor nerf to Depth Guard in particular had me pretty baffled.
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Jul 13, 2021 23:30
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MonsterEnvy posted:That would be called a rough launch. Also people have forgotten how long turn times were before CA cast some sort of magic spell of haste on them.
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Dramicus posted:Also people have forgotten how long turn times were before CA cast some sort of magic spell of haste on them. Yeah. Honestly for me that is when ME really became viable. Prior to that I just played Vortex for the faster campaigns. Dealing with the Vortex itself wasn't bad either, and parts of the map are much better in Vortex too.
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Jul 13, 2021 23:38
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Brings it full circle back to the Norsca disaster that delayed everything. whenever i play a vortex i pretend that it actually matters, and it makes it more fun that way
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bean mom posted:whenever i play a vortex i pretend that it actually matters, and it makes it more fun that way Yeah it was fun the first time around, but after discovering the stakes were imaginary it lost some luster.
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Jul 13, 2021 23:41
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pretty brazen how much of the patch content is based on mods.
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Yeah they definitely forgot to add the skill tree changes into the patch notes. I mean, it happens, and this patch is huuuuuuge, so it's understandable. Mando's concerns are valid, and gently caress do I love how he always manages to bring potential issues to light in a fair, objective, and constructive fashion. He's an excellent reviewer. There's so many content creators on YouTube who sensationalize and catastrophize everything for views, but Mando never does. Legend. I never get tired of watching Jabberslythes belly flop into infantry. They're just so happy to be there!
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Jul 14, 2021 00:47
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Muscle Wizard posted:pretty brazen how much of the patch content is based on mods. A good idea is a good idea, and there’s nothing that says two people can’t have it simultaneously. They give shout-outs to the kidders they’ve displaced - what else would you expect them to do?
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Muscle Wizard posted:pretty brazen how much of the patch content is based on mods. While it sucks for the modders, I genuinely think it's good if studios rip off the best ideas from their mod community and put them in the game. Ideally they get enough credit (or even compensation) that it doesn't destroy the willingness of modders to continue making mods, but a lot of the bigger modders already have patreons where they're getting money for working with the game CA made, so I don't think it's too unfair.
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I just finished up a VH Nakai campaign and oh my, what a refreshing change of pace from the usual empire management. Just wander around Lustria as you like, turning over all the settlement stuff to the AI. Some jerk kicking off and beating up your AI buddy? Stop by when you're next in the area and Nakai plus his punchcroc pals will leisurely and unstoppably amble straight over their armies, their T5 settlements, everything. In the rare event you take some casualties? Why, simply buy some blessed carnosaur replacements with your piles of OldOneBux! It owns.
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Sinteres posted:While it sucks for the modders, I genuinely think it's good if studios rip off the best ideas from their mod community and put them in the game. Ideally they get enough credit (or even compensation) that it doesn't destroy the willingness of modders to continue making mods, but a lot of the bigger modders already have patreons where they're getting money for working with the game CA made, so I don't think it's too unfair. It was pretty funny when GCCM had island battles working like a month before CA put theirs out. Which I think was just unfortunate timing rather than any hostility.
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Muscle Wizard posted:pretty brazen how much of the patch content is based on mods. I don't really see it as being based on mods. There are only so many units and characters in Warhammer lore and many of them are pretty obvious picks. Of course CA is going to add a lot of this stuff in eventually, even if modders got to it first.
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Aurubin posted:It was pretty funny when GCCM had island battles working like a month before CA put theirs out. Which I think was just unfortunate timing rather than any hostility. I so wish GCCM had a way to toggle off specific maps. I like some of them but others are just so, so bad. The Moot map alone keeps me from using it just because fights there are so common and that's not even the worst in the pack.
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Aurubin posted:It was pretty funny when GCCM had island battles working like a month before CA put theirs out. Which I think was just unfortunate timing rather than any hostility. yeah if you aren't gonna put naval battles in then island battles are a no brainer on a map with this much water, really they were just correcting the mistake they made at launch by adding them in
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Sinteres posted:While it sucks for the modders There are modders who desire the e-fame and might throw a hissy fit over it. But generally modders will think it’s awesome that they influenced the game’s development.
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rideANDxORdie posted:Does anyone have some experience with Drycha campaign? I'm feeling kind of aimless in my current one, I've secured the whole province that borders her starting Gryphon Wood on the East/South and have now finished off Mannfred and Vlad. I don't have any active wars with anyone around me anymore. It's around turn 60 and I'm thinking I should have been off using Deeproots to do... something else instead of fighting a mini hellwar with the VCounts. I've looked at some "first 20 turns" style guides which usually end before getting to where I am. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJplBJhmOLftynRO9ewn3Qr8CDok4-Ju6 watch some of that
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Dramicus posted:Also people have forgotten how long turn times were before CA cast some sort of magic spell of haste on them. Ohh I definitely remember. I bounced off the game pretty hard because at the time it took a full minute of waiting for AI turns. Learning the game with that much delay every turn was suffering.
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Raygereio posted:The idea that there’s this adversarial thing between devs & modders is really silly. The main one I can think of who seems to have a somewhat adversarial relationship with CA is Venris from SFO, but I feel like at least some of that might be marketing where he's saying see this is why you need to support my patreon because the base game is meh.
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Sinteres posted:The main one I can think of who seems to have a somewhat adversarial relationship with CA is Venris from SFO, but I feel like at least some of that might be marketing where he's saying see this is why you need to support my patreon because the base game is meh. It absolutely is. This conversation was almost definitely started as a troll anyways - a good idea is a good idea and if the devs said "hey, that's a better version than what we were thinking of", then everyone wins with it coming out. The modder can make a note of it if they want to use it to pad their resume to apply to the industry/within industry, the whole community gets a good system/idea that has full company backing and support, and the modder can move on to new ideas without feeling like they need to update a mod all the time now.
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Jul 14, 2021 03:24
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rideANDxORdie posted:Does anyone have some experience with Drycha campaign?
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In my Drycha playthrough I took Laurelorn forest first and then when I did the quest to confederate Durthu he gave me two stacks near Athel Loren that I couldn't afford to keep, so at that moment I just committed everything to elf war
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Yeah, if you slog through Athel Loren it rewards you with an insane income. My hype play through tonight is Throg with the goal of forming an alliance with Drycha. We're gonna be the new Vlad and Izzy.
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That's funny because Venris straight up starts his favorite Patreon post, which is about the SFO patching process whenever the base game gets updated and thus a helpful one to point to whenever someone goes Update When??, with a sentence that goes "buy the DLC and support CA." SFO fans though, whole different kettle of fish there...
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bean mom posted:whenever i play a vortex i pretend that it actually matters, and it makes it more fun that way yeah just pretend if you see the final battle for another faction you lost and are on pity mode from then on out
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