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merk posted:For what it’s worth, I still like the TT vote over all others. As this day has trudged on and Tom has since done little to participate, I nearly agree. "nearly" because Meen has been even worse by showing up only to spam. ##vote Meen
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Yeah meens weird, was sort of ignoring all that since I don’t have much experience with them and figured it’s new player weirdness
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Oct 30, 2021 18:04
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:if anyone is scummy for spamming alone it's the guy who's spamming for the boon. it's not like it'd be particularly helpful to town for a townie to roll over on this poo poo even if it doesn't result in all the best posts Ignatius M. Meen posted:the facts about merk as I see it are 1. he's made good points so far, 2. he's laid claim to a role that'd mess with town if unknown and presumably will get confirmed D2, 3. he is having fun with posting Read meens posts, nothing other than the weird vote on TT and filler, defense of merk (spamming for the boon is scummy but merk has made good points). No other reads. ##vote meen
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Oct 30, 2021 18:17
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Looking at Meen I see the point - over-concerned with not getting last in red light / green light and I was already baffled by whatever it was he had posted on me. I still like Pinterest who has just been coasting, though. I think the same logic applies to Pinterest, who has posts that look like excuses to add post count. See these after the announcement: Pinterest Mom posted:i think it's unlikely that scum would dayvig a scum, personally Pinterest Mom posted:rest in peace "ignatius m. meen" Pinterest Mom posted:I suppose I'll try watching "squid game" Little to no actual content but almost self-consciously trying to add to post count to get out of the bottom without saying anything at all. Pinterest has still managed to not have a single vote all day despite throwing a tiny bit of shade at Voodoo (the 'geez' post) and Maer (the 'yeah same' post). I still feel good about Pinterest being scum and I think the logic of scum not wanting to get bottom is sound but Pinterest's posts show the most deceptive attempt to get around it - other people were just posting a bunch in a row very obviously but Pinterest disguised post-count inflation in low-to-zero content posts, that reads scum trying to get above the lowest post count but trying not to make it obvious.
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Oct 30, 2021 18:30
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Ughhh that’s a decent argument on PMom, who I usually expect to make some at least somewhat analytical points. I’m a little wary of how quickly Meen just got the same amount of votes as TT though.
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Sandwolf posted:Ughhh that’s a decent argument on PMom, who I usually expect to make some at least somewhat analytical points. I’m a little wary of how quickly Meen just got the same amount of votes as TT though. Yeah it always makes me feel a bit twitchy when that happens. I’d definitely vote PMom too.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:01
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Bifauxnen posted:As this day has trudged on and Tom has since done little to participate, I nearly agree. bad vibes from this post
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Oct 30, 2021 19:02
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Tom Tucker posted:Looking at Meen I see the point - over-concerned with not getting last in red light / green light and I was already baffled by whatever it was he had posted on me. i'm trying to read this post but i'm blinded by the yellow highlight colour, sorry
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Oct 30, 2021 19:02
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Cool let us know if you want to actually look for scum beyond just driveby "geez" and "bad vibes" posts or make an actual vote
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Oct 30, 2021 19:14
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you'll be the first person i call, sure. it does seem to me that some of the posts you quoted were, in fact, substantive, and that you quoting them removed from context like that is borderline deliberate misrepresentation.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:15
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like, yeah, in a block of quotes like that, me having a post that just says "lol" looks bad but in context, i'm responding lol to a completely demented argument made by forums poster "tom tucker" that implied that it's scummy that i didn't specify "town vigs shouldn't indiscriminately kill people" and instead just said "vigs shouldn't indiscriminately kill people", which, i think i gave that post exactly the response it deserved
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Oct 30, 2021 19:18
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Yeah see that's not what I said and maybe that would have come up if you didn't just reply "lol" to the post which was mostly people explaining to me that people use "vig" for scum or town daykills But maybe you're right about removing the substantive portions of an argument - not about me but how you replied "lol" to a post clarifying a single point I had made about you while ignoring the other points completely (adding null content after a daykill, agreeing with a vote without voting yourself thus stealth-bandwagoning, and argumentative strawman post), almost like you hoped with only one vote by highlighting my misunderstanding with a zero-content post you could dodge any mention of your other scummy behavior! And now the most content and effort you've put in all game is when we have other people besides me actually looking at your post history and going "yeah this is a bit scummy" and suddenly there's no more "lol"s or "geez" but instead deeper content defending yourself. Yeah I'm comfortable with my vote.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:25
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you're not typing like someone who's happy
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Oct 30, 2021 19:29
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Pmom and meen are my strongest town reads
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Oct 30, 2021 19:43
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Sandwolf posted:Ughhh that’s a decent argument on PMom, who I usually expect to make some at least somewhat analytical points. I’m a little wary of how quickly Meen just got the same amount of votes as TT though. What votes are you nervous about?
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Oct 30, 2021 19:47
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b-minus1 posted:Pmom and meen are my strongest town reads How do you have a town read on Meen?
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Oct 30, 2021 19:48
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:tom tucker's lean on "I'm an old hand at this and don't care about your drat 'meta' playstyles, scummy play is scummy play" feels actively bad. if you argue to lunch someone for their otherwise universally recognized town behavior because it violates the constants of a normal human mind, it doesn't matter how right you'd be with any of the other billions of humans out there, you're still arguing to lunch agreed town which is pretty anti-town. This is Meen's only content-based post, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:49
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could I please at least get an investigation done on someone before you lunch me?
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Oct 30, 2021 20:01
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Full claim or don’t.
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Oct 30, 2021 20:28
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FULL CLAIM OR DO NOT CLAIM
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Oct 30, 2021 20:32
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Huang-Jun-Ho, Korean police officer looking for their lost brother. At night I can target someone and be told their role.
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Oct 30, 2021 20:35
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if that isn't 'full claim' enough for you then go ahead and kill me, I'll just poo poo-talk y'all from obsdoc with Circl
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Oct 30, 2021 20:37
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A full claim is flavor, role, and results. You just string claimed which is usually scummy. But! Thinking. ##unvote
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Oct 30, 2021 20:39
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A role cop as town with a Miller kind of makes sense. I’ve done that before in a setup. Town didn’t have a cop but did have a role cop and there was a Miller and godfather.
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Oct 30, 2021 20:41
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But…. Idk. Usually you’d have a town cop with the Miller and if there is a role cop it would be scum.
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Oct 30, 2021 20:42
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Rolecop is p alignment neutral but I see what merk is getting at with the inverse cop thing going on
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Oct 30, 2021 20:48
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The string claim was pretty scummy but actually I’m not that against setup speculation this early since we effectively already have five claimed roles and a flipped Miller. Day killer Unconfirmed Mason 1 Unconfirmed Mason 2 Noisy visitor Rolecop Miller Rolecop does make sense in a power role sense set up, as scum or town. To me i always think of rolecop a a scum role to balance out lots of town powers without overdoing it - rolecop and roleblocker being a solid combo. Either way the string claim annoyed the heck out of me especially the first “let me investigate first” so I’d lean towards scum Also noting that b minus still feel like they are coasting along without much content. My top three would be Pinterest then Meen then B minus
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Oct 30, 2021 21:22
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merk posted:But…. Idk. Usually you’d have a town cop with the Miller and if there is a role cop it would be scum. I don't know why I'm needing to tell merk this, but I say disregard flavour spec and keep focused on his actual behaviour and post content. It might be worth giving Meen a "just in case" day to see if letting him use his role proves valuable for town, but that's a different matter. Also can I just say, Ignatius M. Meen posted:could I please at least get an investigation done on someone before you lunch me? It always bugs me when people try and trump up a rolecop by calling it "an investigation" or even "a cop" to try and make it sound all important and extra townie but then nope, it's just scummy-looking rolecop
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Oct 30, 2021 21:28
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When it comes to "giving him a night" the upside is him finding a role like a roleblocker or something that might be scum, if he's town, while the downside if he's scum is it gives him a night to find a cop or doctor. I'm not saying this is a reason to launch him but I don't think it's a reason to give a pass today either, in my view the downside outweighs the upside. This all presumes Meen is a rolecop, either town or scum, which I don't really doubt as it'd be very easy to confirm a lie.
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Oct 30, 2021 21:36
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I think the Meen elimination is good. The string claim is sticking with me.
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Oct 30, 2021 21:42
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I still like Pinterest more but I would support a Meen launch
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Oct 30, 2021 21:56
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Meen, if town, could exist to confirm me. Once he reads I randomly target someone each night, it’s pretty clear I can’t be scum because I couldn’t night kill. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Oct 30, 2021 22:01
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Merk is your role involuntary?
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Oct 30, 2021 22:01
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Voodoofly posted:Merk is your role involuntary? Yes, it is very clear that I will target a player each night. No “may.”
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Oct 30, 2021 22:16
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Do you get to choose?
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Oct 30, 2021 22:20
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Tom Tucker posted:Do you get to choose? Nope. Random.
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Oct 30, 2021 22:20
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I mean not to be a butt or anything but we only have your word and maybe a vague gameplay vibe that you can't do other things during your "visiting", something to keep in mind.
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Oct 30, 2021 22:26
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merk posted:Nope. Random. Mine is the same. Was debating claiming from the start but seeing how it matches your role figure it’s worth it. Each night im forced to visit a random dead body. I get tracked and watched but have no choice and don’t get to target. During my visit I receive information on the next days game. Flavor is I’m a disgraced doctor who is forced by the guards to harvest organs and during the procedure I overhear them talking. Byeong-Ki is name.
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A town role cop seems plausible here. ##unvote I might go back to TT. I probably will.
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