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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's always good to know that the ancient romans had the same garbage taste as your grandma in 1974 Just really highlight the "the more things change, the more they stay the same" with our modern lifestyles vis-a-vis the Romans. Kinda like the anecdote about Ridley Scott scrapping the historically-accurate detail of advertising during games in the Colosseum because he (correctly) assumed no modern viewer would believe poo poo like that actually happened.
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I wish there had at least been billboards around the inside of the arena. We know 100% for sure those were real since they were still intact when the arena of Pompeii was first excavated.
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I wanted to post something like "Asterix continues to be the fictional piece most true to history" and went googling for the Formula 1 advert references in the chariot race album, but something else caught my eye:
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So wait what did the hill tribes of Southeast Asia grow? I'm wondering because I just remembered the concept of Zomia and of them being outside the reach of states but I'm still confused by what they actually ate.
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Lawman 0 posted:So wait what did the hill tribes of Southeast Asia grow? I'm wondering because I just remembered the concept of Zomia and of them being outside the reach of states but I'm still confused by what they actually ate. Rice and opium poppies, mostly, I believe, along with fruit, which they supplemented by hunting.
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See, if I was a rich man, I'd buy one or two of these things and keep them on display in my home. "See that bowl? That loving bowl is 1800 years old, and it's flawless. I can't get a goddamn thing from Amazon delivered unscathed, but that thing has existed for two millennium. That's how rich I am, motherfucker!"
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Jan 30, 2022 02:57
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mycomancy posted:See, if I was a rich man, I'd buy one or two of these things and keep them on display in my home. Well there’s this thing: quote:The Archimedes Palimpsest is a parchment codex palimpsest, originally a Byzantine Greek copy of a compilation of Archimedes and other authors. It contains two works of Archimedes that were thought to have been lost (the Ostomachion and the Method of Mechanical Theorems) and the only surviving original Greek edition of his work On Floating Bodies.[1] The first version of the compilation is believed to have been produced by Isidorus of Miletus, the architect of the geometrically complex Hagia Sophia cathedral in Constantinople, sometime around AD 530.[2] The copy found in the palimpsest was created from this original, also in Constantinople, during the Macedonian Renaissance (c. AD 950), a time when mathematics in the capital was being revived by the former Greek Orthodox bishop of Thessaloniki Leo the Geometer, a cousin of the Patriarch. it is not in a museum. it is, reportedly, in the entryway to jeff bezos’ house
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mycomancy posted:See, if I was a rich man, I'd buy one or two of these things and keep them on display in my home. And people like you with this mindset are exactly why there's almost certainly hundreds of artifacts just like this that don't get properly excavated and recorded and/or remain unknown to the academic world.
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Jan 30, 2022 04:12
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evilweasel posted:Well there’s this thing: This is like finding out that the rock just has stan's loving head in his living room.
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Epicurius posted:Rice and opium poppies, mostly, I believe, along with fruit, which they supplemented by hunting.  I honestly forgot rice terraces were a thing.
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Telsa Cola posted:And people like you with this mindset are exactly why there's almost certainly hundreds of artifacts just like this that don't get properly excavated and recorded and/or remain unknown to the academic world. You...you know I'll never be rich enough to do this, right? You know this was an offhanded comment to elaborate how awesome and priceless such an antique is, right?
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Jan 30, 2022 05:09
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mycomancy posted:You...you know I'll never be rich enough to do this, right? You know this was an offhanded comment to elaborate how awesome and priceless such an antique is, right? Have you heard of NFT's? Any body can be a millionaire or even billionaire in a few years now.
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mycomancy posted:You...you know I'll never be rich enough to do this, right? You know this was an offhanded comment to elaborate how awesome and priceless such an antique is, right? Just because you probably will never be able to make it a reality doesnt mean it's not a lovely mindset to have.
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Telsa Cola posted:Just because you probably will never be able to make it a reality doesnt mean it's not a lovely mindset to have. Oh do gently caress off.
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mycomancy posted:Oh do gently caress off. I literally am a professional archaeologist, have worked in musuem collections, and deal with preservation and the after effects of looters on almost a day to day basis. It's lovely mindset to have. Maybe you should reevaluate why you think that something that unique and interesting should be a conversation piece in some rich persons living room. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Telsa Cola posted:I literally am a professional archaeologist, have worked in musuem collections, and deal with preservation and the after effects of looters on almost a day to day basis. Dude, here, maybe you got some dust from the Levant in your eyes and you can't real well right now, so I'll put it in all caps so you can read it. IT WAS A FLIPPANT OFFHAND POST ABOUT HOW COOL THE BOWL IS. QUIT BEING A oval office ABOUT AN INTERNET POST DESCRIBING A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION THAT WILL *LITERALLY* *NEVER* HAPPEN. Can you read that alright? I'm sure you'll let me know if you can't!
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Telsa Cola posted:I literally am a professional archaeologist, have worked in musuem collections, and deal with preservation and the after effects of looters on almost a day to day basis. museums steal poo poo all the time, dude, even in the present day Guy I know has a cave. He finds a chamber with an obviously old-as-hell human skull sitting in it. Been there for centuries, probably pre-european native 'Oh cool', he says, 'I'm gonna send this to some experts to do an analysis and document the history. so he makes an arrangement with the smithsonian to send it in. He does. They never publish anything, refuse to return the skull, and when pressed, hit him with spurious threats of legal action. Eventually they 'gave in' to the extent that they say they'll send him a plaster cast of the skull, so he can show where it was found in the original context he gets a package from them, opens it up, and it's a plaster gorilla skull racist fucks. Tunicate fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Tunicate posted:museums steal poo poo all the time, dude, even in the present day No but you see posts are the REAL CRIME here! POSTS!
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mycomancy posted:Dude, here, maybe you got some dust from the Levant in your eyes and you can't real well right now, so I'll put it in all caps so you can read it. you still want to do that even if you'll never have the opportunity to
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perhaps, if your first reaction to pushback is "I'll never be rich enough" instead of "it was a joke, I wouldn't really do it even if I was rich", that does indicate something you should think about in yourself
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No flamewars on weekends. Crack a booze of your choice and chill out watching Cities: Skylines videos. I'm almost at the end of a nice bottle of a yamahai junmai.
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cheetah7071 posted:perhaps, if your first reaction to pushback is "I'll never be rich enough" instead of "it was a joke, I wouldn't really do it even if I was rich", that does indicate something you should think about in yourself You sound like you're a ton of fun at parties.
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Tunicate posted:museums steal poo poo all the time, dude, even in the present day They totally do and its an incredibly large issue in the industry and there's constant push back and progess on making them return poo poo they steal. Not everything belongs in a musuem, but it sure as hell doesn't belong in a rich dudes parlor as a conversation piece. Also most archaeological stuff and a lot of musuem stuff gets written up as grey papers and doesn't get published widely. Its still lovely what the musuem did though, though I have opinions about how cultural resources and private land are handled in the US. Chill man, and you might want to edit some of that out so you don't eat a probe. Pretty much anybody in my industry would have and should have called that post out. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Grand Fromage posted:No flamewars on weekends. Crack a booze of your choice and chill out watching Cities: Skylines videos. I'm almost at the end of a nice bottle of a yamahai junmai. A bunch of anal-retentive nerds are super mad that I dared to post that I even THOUGHT about purchasing an antiquity for any reason other than to give it to the Smithsonian, screaming at me "It belongs in a museum!" like some sort of fatter, lamer Harrison Ford. mycomancy fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Telsa Cola posted:Chill man, and you might want to edit some of that out so you don't eat a probe. Pretty much anybody in my industry would have and should have called that post out. gently caress you, you started it. I made a throwaway post and you act like I'm a tomb raider when I havent traveled outside my county in two years. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gonna nominate these posts for the National Register of Historic Posting. Edit: I'll eat a probe for the joke if you deem it necessary. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oh that's a good one, have to see if I can make the filesize reasonable enough to use sometime.
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https://www.crigenetics.com/blog/cri-customer-has-his-dna-traced-back-17000-years Some native American fellow got DNA tested and they reckon the results show his ancestors were in the Americas 17,000 years ago. Any clue how you could tell something like that? Was also surprised to learn it looks like a bunch of people came to America via the Pacific before the Austronesian migrations.
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Weka posted:https://www.crigenetics.com/blog/cri-customer-has-his-dna-traced-back-17000-years In this case it is mitochondrial dna. Mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cells and contain different dna than your dna. This specifically comes from your mother, and she got it from her mother, and it goes back tens of thousands of years before you see a mutation. So many of us share the exact same mitochondrial dna and there actually is a woman at some point in time that is technically the ancestor to all present living humans as traceable via mitochondrial dna. There’s a lot of difficulty in figuring out genetic markers for north american natives because we killed them all. South americans, however, were not so destroyed. As a result, we have a lot of DNA evidence that there was polynesian peoples in Peru a long drat time ago. We’ve long had the theory that they were there because thats where polynesians got sweet potatoes.
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Mr. Nice! posted:In this case it is mitochondrial dna. Mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cells and contain different dna than your dna. This specifically comes from your mother, and she got it from her mother, and it goes back tens of thousands of years before you see a mutation. So many of us share the exact same mitochondrial dna and there actually is a woman at some point in time that is technically the ancestor to all present living humans as traceable via mitochondrial dna.
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Telsa Cola posted:And people like you with this mindset are exactly why there's almost certainly hundreds of artifacts just like this that don't get properly excavated and recorded and/or remain unknown to the academic world. It belongs in a museum basement in a drawer where a grad student might get around to looking at it in 30 years, if we can get the funding!
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Arglebargle III posted:It belongs in a museum basement in a drawer where a grad student might get around to looking at it in 30 years, if we can get the funding! I mean yes, because there is still a significantly higher chance it will be properly documentated and researched then if it gets stuck in some rich dudes parlor till he dies or in the garage in the box of that one uncle who likes to go poke around ruins. What happens is those people die and then their kids sometimes bring what they find in the boxes or parlor to a musuem who looks at it and go "Oh wow this is cool, too bad this is essentially completely worthless for data because you have zero contextual information about it". Musuems have a lot of poo poo and comparatively little money, there's an issue were current collections are not seen as "sexy" and are not often the focus of new research, musuems have a long history of stealing poo poo that's sacred or culturally important and not doing anything with it other than holding it, not that doing anything with them would offset the shittyness of stealing it. All of these are big issues and central topics of discussion in the musuem collection world. But having a something in a musuem collections is still almost always the better option. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Also there's lots of antiques that are both impressive and not unique enough anyone wants to research them. Coins are a typical example, a roman coin collection might look museum worthy but hoards mean indervidual coins are abundant enough for you to buy freely. On the same note, I own some antique weapons - a 1780s french court sword, 1800s afghan musket, west african takoba - interesting weapons, but nothing so historically significant to belong in a museum or not already in the back rooms.
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Mr. Nice! posted:In this case it is mitochondrial dna. Mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cells and contain different dna than your dna. This specifically comes from your mother, and she got it from her mother, and it goes back tens of thousands of years before you see a mutation. So many of us share the exact same mitochondrial dna and there actually is a woman at some point in time that is technically the ancestor to all present living humans as traceable via mitochondrial dna. 17,000 years is way before the Austronesian (including Polynesian) migrations kicked off. After a little more research it seems the majority view is that this is from a population who migrated through Beringia but left no genetic evidence in the modern population of Siberia, and had migrated to South America within 1500 years.
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Is there a current consensus on why pre-Clovis sites are so much rarer than post-Clovis? Lower population density? A material culture that didn't leave as many remains? Or is the premise wrong and the remains are plentiful but harder to spot?
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evilweasel posted:Well there’s this thing: Modern times need a modern? hero. It belongs in a museum 
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cheetah7071 posted:Is there a current consensus on why pre-Clovis sites are so much rarer than post-Clovis? Lower population density? A material culture that didn't leave as many remains? Or is the premise wrong and the remains are plentiful but harder to spot? I don't really have time to write up a big effort post on it, but a lot of pre-clovis sited would also be under water now.
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Did people actually stop going back and forth across Beringia before modern-ish times? Wikipedia tells me there are people speaking related languages on both sides so it seems like people must have been moving across a lot more recently than 13K (or however far back) years ago, but before Europeans started showing up.
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