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Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014



Jonny Nox posted:

Yes, all the cost of a boat combined with all the cost of a plane.

Why isn't everyone doing this?!?

Let me have my cool jerkoff fantasy of island hopping around the caribbean with some hot ladyfriends in my cool planeyacht, drat it

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

Spaced God posted:

The only acceptable lottery plane answer is a Catalina tricked out to be an air yacht thank you very much

Well yeah, that's always been my plan if I won more than 100 million dollars. You'd first have to find one in great shape and completely restore it, replace all the corroded frame pieces, etc. Then you wouldn't want to fly around the world on WW2 radials (or deal with finding 150-octane avgas wherever you went), so you'd have to convert it to twin turboprop to actually use it as intended. After the conversion it would be an experimental-certificate aircraft, and that means you can't fly it over populated areas or into class B airspace or a bunch of other places without specific written permission. So you'd also have to pay to get it tested and certificated as an STP conversion. And then you've just got the basic costs of building the interior into a yacht, and the ongoing cost of running a twin-engine flying boat on the general scale of a Dash-8, and so on...all together I don't think you could realistically do it for under 100 million.

Under 100 million a ready-to-go family-sized single-engine turboprop like a TBM is ideal. About 80% of the performance of a business jet but infinitely more practical.

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.

Sagebrush posted:

Well yeah, that's always been my plan if I won more than 100 million dollars. You'd first have to find one in great shape and completely restore it, replace all the corroded frame pieces, etc. Then you wouldn't want to fly around the world on WW2 radials (or deal with finding 150-octane avgas wherever you went), so you'd have to convert it to twin turboprop to actually use it as intended. After the conversion it would be an experimental-certificate aircraft, and that means you can't fly it over populated areas or into class B airspace or a bunch of other places without specific written permission. So you'd also have to pay to get it tested and certificated as an STP conversion. And then you've just got the basic costs of building the interior into a yacht, and the ongoing cost of running a twin-engine flying boat on the general scale of a Dash-8, and so on...all together I don't think you could realistically do it for under 100 million.

Under 100 million a ready-to-go family-sized single-engine turboprop like a TBM is ideal. About 80% of the performance of a business jet but infinitely more practical.

Yeah but can you get floats for a TBM?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



get them to build another Do.24T

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



College Slice

Has anyone turned a CL-215 or 415 into a flying yacht or are they all firebombers?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

meltie posted:

Yeah but can you get floats for a TBM?

You kinda gotta decide between speed or floats. Can't have both*. You really don't wanna try flying cross-country at Catalina speeds in anything smaller than a Catalina luxury yacht if you can help it. If I wasn't able to afford the aforementioned Catalina conversion, I'd personally probably get a TBM and also something like a 170 on floats to buzz around all the teeny lakes and go camping.


*I will NOT be reading any posts mentioning the XF2Y-1

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.


Sagebrush posted:

After the conversion it would be an experimental-certificate aircraft, and that means you can't fly it over populated areas or into class B airspace or a bunch of other places without specific written permission.

Iíve been looking at experimental kits for a while now, and this is the first Iíve heard of these restrictions. Google isnít helping. Can you provide a citation?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

Loucks posted:

Iíve been looking at experimental kits for a while now, and this is the first Iíve heard of these restrictions. Google isnít helping. Can you provide a citation?

14 CFR 91.319

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.319

You obviously cannot fly an experimental aircraft for hire, so a lot of it is just about commercial restrictions, but these are the big ones that restrict even personal use:

quote:

...

(c) Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator in special operating limitations, no person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental certificate over a densely populated area or in a congested airway. The Administrator may issue special operating limitations for particular aircraft to permit takeoffs and landings to be conducted over a densely populated area or in a congested airway, in accordance with terms and conditions specified in the authorization in the interest of safety in air commerce.

(d) Each person operating an aircraft that has an experimental certificate shall -

...

(2) Operate under VFR, day only, unless otherwise specifically authorized by the Administrator;

I don't know enough about kit planes to say whether the more common models might have automatic exemptions to let you fly over cities, or something. Maybe? I see quite a few RVs out here in San Francisco but they do mostly stay out by the coast and seem to operate mostly from untowered fields.

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 23:51 on May 29, 2020

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!


Do all radials require 100/150 grade fuel? If not, a Grumman HU-16 would be a gorgeous flying yacht.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012



FuturePastNow posted:

Has anyone turned a CL-215 or 415 into a flying yacht or are they all firebombers?

The last time Flying/Floating Yachts came up, I suggested it might be a good idea to ask Japan if they would build you a US-2

karoshi
Nov 4, 2008

"Can somebody mspaint eyes on the steaming packages? TIA" yeah well fuck you too buddy, this is the best you're gonna get. Is this even "work-safe"? Let's find out!

Loucks posted:

Iíve been looking at experimental kits for a while now, and this is the first Iíve heard of these restrictions. Google isnít helping. Can you provide a citation?

Yes, but I don't see how that helps with your regulatory inquiries.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014



MRC48B posted:

The last time Flying/Floating Yachts came up, I suggested it might be a good idea to ask Japan if they would build you a US-2

MrYenko
Jun 17, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

get them to build another Do.24T



Alternately:



Safety Dance posted:

Do all radials require 100/150 grade fuel? If not, a Grumman HU-16 would be a gorgeous flying yacht.

The most common ones (R2800, R1340, etc) were originally certified on up to 115/145, but you can run them on 100LL just fine at lower power settings. Also, you want a G-111. Itís an HU-16 converted to standard category for Chalks, so you can fly them for hire. They converted 13 of them.

MrYenko fucked around with this message at 00:20 on May 30, 2020

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

Civil Aviation Socialist


Spaced God posted:

The only acceptable lottery plane answer is a Catalina tricked out to be an air yacht thank you very much

You're thinking too small. The true answer is getting the blueprints to the Saunders-Roe Princess and finding someone willing to build it in exchange for all of your money.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



College Slice

MRC48B posted:

The last time Flying/Floating Yachts came up, I suggested it might be a good idea to ask Japan if they would build you a US-2

Sold. There's something especially rad about 4-prop planes.


MrYenko posted:



Alternately:



only if you can actually get D-ICKS

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull




Sagebrush posted:

Well yeah, that's always been my plan if I won more than 100 million dollars. You'd first have to find one in great shape and completely restore it, replace all the corroded frame pieces, etc. Then you wouldn't want to fly around the world on WW2 radials (or deal with finding 150-octane avgas wherever you went), so you'd have to convert it to twin turboprop to actually use it as intended. After the conversion it would be an experimental-certificate aircraft, and that means you can't fly it over populated areas or into class B airspace or a bunch of other places without specific written permission. So you'd also have to pay to get it tested and certificated as an STP conversion. And then you've just got the basic costs of building the interior into a yacht, and the ongoing cost of running a twin-engine flying boat on the general scale of a Dash-8, and so on...all together I don't think you could realistically do it for under 100 million.

Under 100 million a ready-to-go family-sized single-engine turboprop like a TBM is ideal. About 80% of the performance of a business jet but infinitely more practical.

Fine, go and crush my dreams then, a Basler BT-67 on pontoons will just have to suffice

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Pacific Clipper famously ran on mogas when it was forced to circumnavigate the globe after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Captain Robert Ford posted:

We took off from Surabaya on the hundred octane, climbed a couple of thousand feet, and pulled back the power to cool off the engines. Then we switched to the automobile gas and held our breaths. The engines almost jumped out of their mounts, but they ran. We figured it was either that or leave the airplane to the Japs.

bennyfactor
Nov 21, 2008


Nebakenezzer posted:

Since we're talking personal aircraft can I just say Knarr, matey!

Not sure about all the engineering* but it does look neat

or have their promotional youtube









*not an engineer


A chill area AND a relax area? How luxurious

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

in fact there is a third unlabeled chill/relax area up in the nose!

MrYenko
Jun 17, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


Platystemon posted:

Pacific Clipper famously ran on mogas when it was forced to circumnavigate the globe after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Note that mogas from Surabaya circa 1941 probably wasnít anything like what weíd consider to be mogas now.

poo poo was probably about 70 octane.

bennyfactor
Nov 21, 2008


MrYenko posted:

Note that mogas from Surabaya circa 1941 probably wasnít anything like what weíd consider to be mogas now.

poo poo was probably about 70 octane.

Until about 5 years ago mogas from Surabaya was likely to be about 82-84 US octane!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



uhhhhhhhhhh no

1941 army field manual specifies 70-77 octane gas

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

Hey bebe





The Real Amethyst posted:

According to this PIA 8303 was at an altitude of 10,000ft only 4 minutes out from landing, and descending at a rate of over 7000ft per minutes at one stage to intercept the glidescope.
https://youtube.com/UEYiiZdvNh4?t=242


I didn't know "landing a Space Shuttle" was a fetish thing for pilots

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

High Energy, Good Feeling!



bennyfactor posted:



A chill area AND a relax area? How luxurious

In an air ship every area is a chill/relax area

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005



Sagebrush posted:

Well yeah, that's always been my plan if I won more than 100 million dollars. You'd first have to find one in great shape and completely restore it, replace all the corroded frame pieces, etc. Then you wouldn't want to fly around the world on WW2 radials (or deal with finding 150-octane avgas wherever you went), so you'd have to convert it to twin turboprop to actually use it as intended. After the conversion it would be an experimental-certificate aircraft, and that means you can't fly it over populated areas or into class B airspace or a bunch of other places without specific written permission. So you'd also have to pay to get it tested and certificated as an STP conversion. And then you've just got the basic costs of building the interior into a yacht, and the ongoing cost of running a twin-engine flying boat on the general scale of a Dash-8, and so on...all together I don't think you could realistically do it for under 100 million.

Under 100 million a ready-to-go family-sized single-engine turboprop like a TBM is ideal. About 80% of the performance of a business jet but infinitely more practical.

What about a Be-200 and $65,000,000 of spare engines

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011



shame on an IGA posted:

What about a Be-200 and $65,000,000 of spare engines

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post


Fun Shoe

Elviscat posted:

In an air ship every area is a chill/relax area

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Nevil Shute posted:

It was pleasant up there sitting by the fins on a fine sunny day and whenever I went up there I would usually find two or three men sitting by the fins and gossiping. We kept a watch up there in daylight hours to keep an eye on the outer cover, and the riggers got so used to it they would walk upright along this little catwalk with their hands in their pockets, leaning against the wind and stepping over my recumbent body as I crawled on hands and knees. Burney lost his wrist watch up there one evening; it lay on top of the ship all night and was found by one of the riggers at dawn the next day, and returned to him.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



I would easily own a crappy airship over a fancy turboprop or biz jet. And with my lottery winnings I would build an amazing one. And Neb and his family would get to borrow it for a luxurious holiday.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



Hmm just thinking about a luxury airship makes the idea seem so obvious. It's easier to make carbon neutral propulsion for it than anything heavier than air. Also, that gas envelope, it must have a certain resonating ability, what if you put a big subwoofer inside it and go cruising?

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019


Ola posted:

Hmm just thinking about a luxury airship makes the idea seem so obvious. It's easier to make carbon neutral propulsion for it than anything heavier than air. Also, that gas envelope, it must have a certain resonating ability, what if you put a big subwoofer inside it and go cruising?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzYLTnI7TUI#t=72s

Ola
Jul 19, 2004




If you are an Unimportant Person, travel time is important to you because you always have to jet to wherever things are happening. If you are a Blimpin' Dude, you have all the time in the world because you are everybody else's destination. Wherever you are, that's where it's happenin'.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



Btw the ...nin' endings are not typical of me, but I'm trying to show off my copy skills and versatility for the advertising department of Neb's inevitable luxury empire.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


Launch is imminent

Livestream
https://youtu.be/bIZsnKGV8TE

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

They made it into space and are on their way to the space station

Congratulations to Tom Mueller and Gwynne Shotwell on their great new rocket.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!


If you told me Bob and Doug were Canadian astronauts, I would absolutely believe you.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


Safety Dance posted:

If you told me Bob and Doug were Canadian astronauts, I would absolutely believe you.

Doug is from upstate new york according to wikipedia so close enough

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye



Ola posted:

Btw the ...nin' endings are not typical of me, but I'm trying to show off my copy skills and versatility for the advertising department of Neb's inevitable luxury empire.

I see you, friend

The Knarr thing I just found surfing images via pinterest. The design is kinda neat - The structure for lifting wind turbine parts just this box-like structure, and the gondola and (presumably) the power plant just hang onto that. They don't have...reverse hovercraft cushions, though, and without anything like normal stabilizers, I guess they want to do everything via thrust?

Also avoids the "flying butt" problems, Kanye West can order one in Saint's Row purple and gold

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