Early FPS Megathread: the kids need to learn about TekWar sooner or later

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c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

FTEQW is by far and away the best quake engine. It can run quake 1, 2, and 3. And hexen 2. It supports every extended limit imaginable. It can run client side quakec, which makes things like custom huds, networking and all sorts of crazy things possible. Spike the developer is always very helpful - sadly the documentation is lacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXgDwiRwBpY

Plus who doesn't love pretty blue lights?

c0burn fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 20, 2017

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 21:57

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# ¿ May 1, 2024 23:46

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

STRAFE is on sale on Humble Store, if anyone wants that.

I've been playing Chasm The Rift lately.

This is a good video review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu19BSDPanQ

# ¿ Nov 20, 2017 22:40

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFSrKNDNGtQ

Want to feel confused? Check out this Doom mod of Quake Champions weapons and abilities, in a recreation of Quake's e1m6, with Quake monsters in the Doom engine.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2017 22:49

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/934978069130911746

# ¿ Nov 27, 2017 08:35

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

nielsm posted:

Continuing from last page, made a very quick "seamless map change" hack for Quake:
http://0x0.st/so0J.webm
It's missing lots of details, breaks in odd ways I haven't yet figured out, and isn't compatible with coop play at all. (What's a good solution to coop support for a thing like this?)

You'd have to trigger the level change on touch of any player to the trigger. Make sure you're using the changelevel command and not the map command.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2017 19:57

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

nielsm posted:

Okay here's a lovely kinda-working "seamless map transitions" mod for Quake: http://0x0.st/soDg.zip
I haven't figured out why it does weird things to the view angle and doesn't return it.
I also found an old thread (c. 2010) on InsideQC forums where someone had put map persistence into an engine. I think it might actually be available in FTE already, if you know what to enable.

In FTE (you can dump fteextensions.qc using pr_dumpplatform command, if you're not familiar with fteextensions.qc, it can be used as a drop in defs.qc replacement)

void(string mapname, optional string newmapstartspot) changelevel = #70; /*Attempts to change the map to the named map. If 'newmapstartspot' is specified, the state of the current map will be preserved, and the argument will be passed to the next map in the 'startspot' global, and the next map will be loaded from archived state if it was previously visited. If not specified, all archived map states will be purged. */

I asked about what it archives, and it's the state of all entities.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2017 19:50

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

With regards to view angles, you can't manually change a players view angle in QuakeC without a bit of extra hackery. Try setting .fixangle = TRUE on the player once you've set the angle. Note that .v_angle and .angles are not the same thing.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2017 19:52

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Quakespasm does not have any quakec extensions. It has things like the .alpha field and a load of increased limits, bsp2 support etc. Once you use things like proper string support, file handling and all of the other nice little things it's hard to go back to a more vanilla engine.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2017 20:19

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61531

More quake goodness

# ¿ Dec 18, 2017 11:46

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

I can't get past Dusks weapon view models. They're SO BAD.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2017 19:37

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://twitter.com/DanielWienerson/status/947991068422709249

# ¿ Jan 2, 2018 10:22

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://twitter.com/khreathor/status/951542490179481602

# ¿ Jan 11, 2018 21:21

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Yeah, good game art is never just about the tech but about the artists and coders skill and understanding what works or not. This is never more apparent than when you look at classic games and how they did it.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2018 15:58

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://twitter.com/meejahor/status/961781129371103232

this owns

# ¿ Feb 9, 2018 21:52

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

juggalo baby coffin posted:

the loading screens make invisible war and deadly shadows almost unplayable for me these days. its just so irritating.

Thief 3 gold patch removes the loading stuff from deadly shadows

# ¿ Feb 17, 2018 22:29

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

The "Mozambique" in titanfall 2 is satisfying as gently caress.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2018 17:14

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://www.dsogaming.com/articles/the-2001-unreal-engine-version-of-duke-nukem-forever-was-90-complete-had-rpg-and-horror-elements/

# ¿ Mar 4, 2018 18:15

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

anatomi posted:

We've been getting back into Quake quite a bit lately, mostly co-op stuff. But lag and packet losses are bumming us out. We're all using Quakespasm or Mark V. Is there a magical engine or solution that'll fix multiplayer issues when playing stuff like AD? We're using Tunngle to set up a virtual LAN, but maybe it's worth it to sort out port forwarding?

Please don't use Tunngle. Although this likely isn't causing your problems it's just unnecessary if you set it up correctly.

In AD, all of the individual particle effects and shotgun pellets are entities. Entities are things like players, and monsters. These are not ran client side and are all networked. Quake was never ever designed to network that much crap, but it's ok in single player. AD lets you turn a lot of that stuff off in multiplayer, please read the AD readme and make sure you do this first!

Quakespasm and MarkV are both "Netquake" engines. Netquake, aka the original quake release in 1996, was only ever designed to be played over LANs smoothly. It does not have clientside prediction or clever delta networking.
Quakeworld was released to combat this. However, stock QW doesn't have coop, and AD is also a Netquake, not QW, mod.

Luckily, we are in the land of many modern sourceports.

FTE is a modern Quake engine, that supports both QW + NQ in one engine. It can run NQ mods with its own enhanced network protocol that should be much smoother. This is my first suggestion.
http://fte.triptohell.info/

There is also http://fte.triptohell.info/moodles/qss/, which is Quakespasm-Spiked, Quakespasm modified by the developer of FTE with some additional features ported over from FTE, including better networking.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2018 23:25

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

anatomi posted:

Interesting! Gonna ditch Tunngle and give FTE/Spiked a go. Thanks a plenty.

Let me know how it goes!

# ¿ Mar 6, 2018 21:43

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Johnny Law posted:

Hey dudes. A few things are motivating me to do an update on the Quake Singleplayer Starter Pack. One of which is that the main developer of the Mark V engine has started another spate of updates, and when he gets the last one in (ad_sepulcher support hopefully within a couple of weeks) I'll want to package in that new version of Mark V.

Since I'm updating the package tho I also have done some other things:

Those last couple of items are big enough changes that I'd like another couple of eyes on them before I do the final release of this new package.

So if you're in the mood to do some public beta-testing, I have a test build of the package here: http://www.eclecticmenagerie.com/jl/quake/quake_sp_starter_pack-1.7-beta.zip

That still has the old Mark V but everything else is the new stuff. If you do poke around in that and find an issue, please let me know. I have private messages here, and also my website linked above has an email address in the footer.

I do want to emphasize that you will need .Net 4.5, not just for the SQL2 but also other stuff. If you are on Windows 8 or 10 you already have it; if you're on Windows 7 the README_FIRST.txt file mentions a link for downloading it. (Windows XP is out of luck.)

I don't use this because I'm oldskool but I appreciate it just the same, it's great for people new to quake. Keep at it!

# ¿ Apr 9, 2018 16:26

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Guillermus posted:

OG Doom pistol is pathetic and even at low ammo the chaingun is the better option.

Hitscan enemies suck in all videogames.

This is why I can never truly love Duke Nukem.

# ¿ Apr 10, 2018 15:47

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

It's not a HL mod it's based upon FTEQW. It's also a total conversion and a lot of work. I don't see a problem with the price.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2018 11:58

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

chaosapiant posted:

Speaking of this, I'm thinking of installing a Win98 or WinXP VM on my Win 10 machine just for these older games that are bitch to get working nowadays. I haven't setup a VM in so long though, what's the go to program these days for that? Would Win98 or XP be better?

Do you have Win 10 Pro? Try Hyper-V. VMWare Player and VirtualBox are good free alternatives.

# ¿ Jun 6, 2018 17:25

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

chaosapiant posted:

What does Hyper-V give me that might make it worth more to me than the freebies? And how do I even get old OSs these days, Ebay?

Virtualization performance depends a lot on loads of different things. It wouldn't hurt to try all three out.

Check this out: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/download-windows-xp-for-free-and-legally-straight-from-microsoft-si/

# ¿ Jun 6, 2018 22:07

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

AVP (2010 edition) is 99p on Steam. Yay or Nay?

# ¿ Jul 3, 2018 22:53

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Quake is the best game of all time. The end.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2018 15:21

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

The bit in Riddick where you get a shotgun and gently caress up stuff in the sewers is cool. I think I'm remembering that correctly anyway

# ¿ Jul 12, 2018 14:51

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Did anyone else hate Max Payne 3 as much as I did? Endless cut scenes with short bits of gameplay in-between. I know MP is typically story heavy but this was ridiculous. Everythibg had excessive blur, camera shake and stupid chromatic aberration effects all over. It was horrible and I don't understand the praise it got.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2018 10:47

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

https://twitter.com/ultrabrilliant/status/1021706263640645634?s=19

# ¿ Jul 26, 2018 08:46

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

david_a posted:

Too bad it’s another arena game.

Yeah, I like the art but the gameplay looks poo poo.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2018 14:49

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Al Cu Ad Solte posted:

I'm lookin' for shooters that deal with supernatural elements. Stuff like Undying (I love it) and Painkiller (it's okay) that's flown under the radar. I was just playing Hunter: The Reckoning and was thinking how much I'd love an FPS in a similar setting. Lemme waltz through dingy rear end subways mowing down monsters with an SMG.

The Darkness II !

# ¿ Aug 8, 2018 08:25

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Al Cu Ad Solte posted:

Just to go on a rant real quick, this sort of poo poo is stuff that Valve does (did ) and it absolutely loving infuriates me. I love Half Life 2 and its episodes but in regards to weapon animations, feel, and sound? It's like they couldn't give less of a poo poo. There's missing faces on every weapon model that you can easily see if you turn with any urgency. You can see Gordon slip the same exact shotgun shell into the breach during the reload animation without trying. The pistol doesn't eject any brass, weapons are missing sound effects, it's a complete loving mess, and that's not even touching on whatever was going on with Team Fortress 2. To say that the weapon animations were lazy in that is the understatement of the decade.

I'm very passionate about the first person view models in shooters okay??

This is why this owns so much

https://youtu.be/pBbcRhDCbcM

# ¿ Aug 17, 2018 17:52

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

I had a voodoo banshee and it sucked and I always wanted a proper voodoo card

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 16:38

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

Copper Vein posted:

Quake Manual

I was using this text as the basis for a cooler intro to my mod. It is of course, like all mods I start, unfinished.

https://youtu.be/mD7N6HY0q1s

# ¿ Aug 30, 2018 14:30

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

New Duke!

https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon/downloads

# ¿ Sep 12, 2018 22:22

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

I'm going to rant about the new Wolfenstein's. Why the gently caress don't you pick up items when you walk over them. There's a million little health packs and armour shards and ammo and you just constantly mash E. It sucks. Wolf 2 seems to pick things up after a delay but also prompts you to press E. Wtf?

# ¿ Dec 27, 2018 14:41

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

The default maps aren't "vised" for alpha water. Set r_wateralpha to 1. You can patch your maps to enable transparent water. https://quakewiki.org/wiki/External_Lit_And_Vis_Files

Certain cvars aren't flagged as "save to config". You can put them in an autoexec.cfg in /id1/ and this will make them stick.

The underwater effect in QS has to be created by a shader as the original effect is a software one. You can try using MarkV or FTE to see if you like their effects better.

# ¿ Dec 31, 2018 00:48

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

FTE can emulate the effect in OpenGL if you want to try it out.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2019 14:19

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

You're right, it is bad.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2019 20:40

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# ¿ May 1, 2024 23:46

c0burn: Sep 2, 2003; The KKKing

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61689

Quake mod jam is out!

# ¿ Feb 14, 2019 19:57

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