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Dyllyn posted:This is the most appropriate thread I could think of, so here goes: You could say the same thing about Raidcall. I just assume these companies are bored rich people who like video games, some people try to help Africa and donate millions to education, some people donate a couple hundred grand to video games. Seems like being a (relatively) high profile entertainment company is kind of a dumb way to launder money, but I haven't really tried to launder money before so who knows. Certainly Saudi princes do dumber poo poo with their money wrt video games on the regular. To me it's just like if the guys who run FXO had decided to make a shell company to run their team instead of attaching the FXO name to it. I mean their actual sponsorship of e-sports can't possibly be bringing any kind of return, it's just something they want to do with their giant buckets of money. As another example there's that other canadian guy who gives tens of thousands to kickstarters all the time, or poo poo there's Notch. It could be the people behind it made their money doing shady poo poo and that's why there's a lot of obfuscation, but I doubt anyone thinks it's a good way to launder money if even internet sleuths think there's no loving way your company makes any money. In the end who cares, e-sports benefits and it can use all the help it can get.
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Apr 26, 2013 20:03
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:Besides it probably not being totally self-contained or just a drop-in setup, probably because they need to lock it down hard if a game server ever got leaked that could be devastating to their ability to control the game ecosystem (i.e. gameplay mod proliferation) and revenue (i.e. all skins, all heroes, on everyone). Eh, it isn't like there aren't at least 4 other games that are the exact same game as LoL, if they can't also continue to get new champs and patches you may as well play the official free version over someone's lovely hacked server.
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Apr 26, 2013 20:06
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Dragongem posted:RIP CW, fun is dead Look on the bright side, now you get to see them play even more games in the relegation matches. 
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Apr 26, 2013 20:49
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silly posted:My main question with these top lane Zacs is why are they maxing Q first? For the trades? Maxing w is bad, maxing E doesn't seem good for top.
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Apr 26, 2013 23:58
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Libertine posted:Holy poo poo Scarra looks extremely strung out. Man these guys are under a lot of pressure to win this. Winner gets a minimum of 2k/player and the loser has a chance to lose their job completely, I think most people'd be a bit stressed.
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Apr 27, 2013 01:17
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I think this is a good display of the issue with that ezreal build, it's great if you get really long engagements where you're poking and chasing, but if it's a contest of who's gonna put out the sustained damage it just doesn't match up.
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Apr 27, 2013 01:37
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Apr 27, 2013 01:43
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blablablabla posted:Blitz op Saint's not very good at him, that's not the same thing as the champ being garbage.
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Apr 28, 2013 03:06
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The Mash posted:When in the game did this happen? Roughly? I'd like to rewind and watch it Chase starts at like 31:30 or 32 or so. Play Yakety Sax for maximum entertainment. Edit: This game has close to 300k concurrent viewers on, that's insane. I think worlds is really going to be an e-sports has arrived moment where we get more concurrent viewers than relevant televised sports.
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Comrade Question posted:Unrelated, but thanks to the twitch chat I just learned that Azubu is a German company. Huh. It's run by a South Korean living in Germany, or something. It's kind of obfuscated.
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Apr 28, 2013 19:09
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Foehammer007 posted:I wish there were more best of 5 series, this poo poo is great. You're in luck then, qualifiers are Bo3 and then Bo5. And all-star is Bo3.
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Apr 29, 2013 02:54
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Allyn posted:True but both still seems like it would be overkill, even for world champs. S2 world champs were group stage into an 8-team single elim; IPL5 group stage into 8-team winner's bracket and 8-team loser's. That's a looooot of games. Hopefully they'll do something like GSL with Double elimination groups into 8-team single elimination playoffs.
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May 7, 2013 00:30
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Studio posted:No, but being a sub doesn't mean much. Atlanta gets really nasty LAN nerves as well. Hey, you should put yourself on Velocity's Leaguepedia page.
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May 15, 2013 09:35
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AdjectiveNoun posted:How quickly does the lolesports page put up replays from matches? Just glanced at the schedule, and I can't pull all-nighters to watch the Shanghai All-Stars matches - does anyone know roughly when they'll be put up for latecomers to see? Assuming it works like LCS, where they stream to youtube/twitch/azubu, the youtube replays will be available immediately, and twitch will be available as they finish the stream. They'll probably go back and split twitch into individual games eventually. You can also watch this reddit thread, which will update with links to the VoDs as soon as they're available. If you really hate Reddit then Leaguepedia has VoDs and brackets/other information updated pretty much in real time, and there's a thread on TeamLiquid.
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May 23, 2013 22:25
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lovely tuna snatch posted:How can professional League of Legends players in the United States of America not have passports? Getting a tourist visa to China is trivial and can be done in like 1-2 business days even by mail if you're willing to pay enough. Business visas I'm not sure, I did mine in a single day but I could at least imagine a situation where they might hold stuff up. Where did anyone see the NA all-stars having visa or passport issues though? They all missed their flights cause they're irresponsible kids but they all did eventually manage to get on planes and are currently in China. The only thing I see talking about all-star visa issues is Soaz(EU) having some problems getting his visa but no real details, and I think he's in China now as well, just didn't get to practice before the games.
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May 23, 2013 23:22
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Championships are definitely after the summer split, these are just to determine how many teams each region gets, then the regions do the summer split to determine which teams they're sending to the world championships. I don't think they've set any kind of definite date for when it's taking place though.
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May 24, 2013 01:17
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Youtube is live now with the countdown, 1 hour to go. Twitch isn't live yet except for some weird stream just plays the trailer over and over here. The twitch stream on na.lolesports.com is a different one though so I'm not sure what that one's about.Riftling posted:All of the teams are having their visas handled by a 3rd party agency that specializes in stuff like this. Even so, leaving your visa until you get screwed cause it gets sent back not even a business day late is silly, they could have taken care of it a while ago. It's not that hard to fill out a form and drop your poo poo in the mail. (NA specifically, I have no idea how EU works.) Do they have to get a business visa for this? I'm surprised they don't have multi-entry tourist visas that'd still be valid from whenever they had to go to Shanghai last to be honest.
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May 24, 2013 05:05
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:I'm not sure even they would know. Consider Snapdragon. That's not really money-for-sales that they paid for, it's money-for-recognition. So the kind of accounting that a company that does that kind of ad budget might not necessarily say "X campaign produced # sales for Y product", but rather measure increase in brand recognition. How many people who might have an Android phone now strongly recognize the brand "Snapdragon", and understand it's a processor that's in their phones? Probably a lot, since League has a lot of teens with smartphones, who aren't necessarily going to go for the upscale option of an iPhone. Hearing Theoddone say "TSM Snapdragon" instead of the drawn out "teeesssemmm" that they used to do is totally worth whatever snapdragon is paying them to me. Anyway I'm a hopeless dork but I do change my retail habits based on companies that give money to e-sports. Marketing departments are a necessary evil of life and hopefully they'll keep giving money to things I'm at least interested in instead of dropping huge money bombs on the Super Bowl or whatever. Also, All-stars is live.
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May 24, 2013 06:11
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Jonny Angel posted:I'm not sure what that Insec vs. Saint game had to do with jungling, but it definitely owned. Yeah, I'd like to say don't worry Saint and Insec will meet later, but I honestly think that NA is going to lose to China, Eu is going to lose to KR, and then NA is going to lose to EU, so they'll never see Korea. 
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May 24, 2013 07:39
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Ninkobei posted:NA forgot to pick a carry. How are they going to do any damage mid/late game The "weakness" in China's game is early. Their goal is to play an agressive game and shut down China's outfarm game. Maybe it'll work. Maybe.
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May 24, 2013 09:38
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facepalmolive posted:vvvvvv Excuse my ignorance, but who's Mark Ferraz? And how was he connected with Quantic? Edit: Guess he's listed as founder and advisor now, he used to be the CEO anyway.
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Love Stole the Day posted:After watching these 1v1 matches, I feel like they have a really bad format. You know they blind pick so they can't see the other person's hero right?
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May 25, 2013 07:15
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China really showing us how production values are done. Take that, symphony orchestra.
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May 25, 2013 07:46
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Watching this actually makes me sad that CLG won in relegation, if they'd disbanded and Doublelift had moved to a better team poo poo would be so much more exciting in the Summer.
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parasyte posted:"Dadyrus" OK this has officially gotten weird. It's cool, it's a heartwarming story of a dad who fires his kid from his job of working for his dad, then kicks him out of his house, but later supports him when he miraculously becomes a professional player of video games.
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Veskit posted:Isn't there also a third place match? No, third place doesn't matter. Just last, first, and the rest.
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I dunno I think you're underestimating how much mastering of the champ the pros expect to have. I mean if you watch Scarra play, he dominates in diamond 1/challenger on a variety of champs, He went mid Alistar at some point in season 3 and completely wrecked. The issue is that he won't play a champ unless he basically feels like he never makes avoidable mechanical mistakes on it. A lot of the time pros can pick a 2-3 week old champ and dominate because it's either OP or people just haven't adjusted to how to play against it yet so your mistakes don't matter as much, or they don't even recognize them so they don't capitalize. It is confusing that they don't take the time to master other champs though, but I guess they feel like losing scrims because someone's on a new champ warps the game, where playing on a "comfort" champ lets them focus on other aspects of the game where they also need improvement, like not throwing at baron every game or finishing out a game they're ahead in before the other team can recover or catch someone.
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May 29, 2013 21:00
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Copycat Zero posted:His range is 550. That's the same or greater base range as every AD Carry not named Ashe, Varus, or Caitlyn. That ignores the fact that Ezreal can Q at 1100, Tristana's scaling range, Kog's W. The only carry with a 550 range that sees heavy competitive use is Vayne, and she scales a lot harder than Kennen. I guess there's also MF but her ult allows her to play super safe and still have a huge impact on a team fight, then move in to clean up.
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May 29, 2013 23:33
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Ninkobei posted:Forgive me for not just letting the Siren attention train die, but you can watch that game here. Siren were actually ahead on kills at one point early in the game. Still, it is no worse of a beating than Korea gave any other team in the all star games. Does that mean the top 1% are really that far behind the top .0001%? How is the team they're playing an LCS team? Wild turtle doesn't jungle. It's one LCS guy in his lane and a bunch of other random diamond 1/challenger people. Really you just have to look at their solo queue record to see they're not competitive, teams who intend to join the LCS don't usually get stuck in Gold. Not like there's elo hell in ranked 5s.
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Demiurge4 posted:Hafu did an interesting AMA the other day where she went into girl gamers and the possibility of female pro teams. She went into a lot of detail with her own experiences and it was a really good perspective with some insights. Her Reddit AMA was pretty decent, they did an ok (for Reddit) job of moderating the comments.
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Allyn posted:Leaving Gambit because his and Genja's playstyles don't mix makes sense, but to join Curse to play with Cop who's renowned for being a passive, farm-heavy-for-teamfight-power guy himself seems a bit... weird. Still, should be interesting. Also he complained about Gambit's lack of results in the last year. Better head over to NA and join the 4th ranked team that's in the middle of a huge slump. I think cop's actually a much better ADC than people give him credit for though, he hasn't ever had a really strong support to back him up. In the unlikely event this isn't all a big troll from saint vicious it'll make for an interesting Summer split at least, and potentially worlds.
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So, I wonder how long before teams from other regions head on over to NA to crap all over our lovely teams for an easier bid into worlds/more prize money? That's basically what happened with Starcraft 2's regional system.
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Jackie D posted:unlike the WCS system, teams have to actually be based in NA to play in NA (all the LCS matches are done in studio, right?). You might see some players transferring regions, but I'd be shocked to see an entire team uproot and move to...wherever Riot is basing LCS NA from. Maybe, there's also a lot more money to be had from Riot than the WCS. People uproot for jobs all the time it's not that big a deal. Also uprooting and moving to California isn't exactly a huge punishment. If they're korean they could probably find a community where they don't even need to speak English beyond having a manager who does so. It's debatable to say that we're on par with Europe or China. Yeah we beat EU's all-star team and good for us, not last place and all, but outside all-stars NA hasn't done well internationally in a while. I hope MLG gets some good international exhibition matches going at their next event at the end of June. Although currently there's no mention of international exhibition matches at all on their site so it might just be LCS and their amateur tournament, oh well. I guess the biggest issue for an asian team that moved here would be losing their scrimming environment, which might cut out a lot of the advantage they currently have over NA over time.
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Zahki posted:Good for Curse, I have no idea why Edward would want to leave Gambit for them though, seems like a dramatic step down for him. I'm sure Russia's an awesome place but why would you not take more money and a house in California over less money in Russia? Sure GG probably has a better shot at worlds, but they probably aren't going to win it either, they didn't even win EU LCS. With Edward Curse at least has a shot at winning NA LCS and going on to not win worlds, so pretty similar. Except higher salary/American work visa/Improved English skills, in terms of "Hey what if I can't play LoL until I'm 65?" This is a pretty smart move.
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Flameingblack posted:You mean the ability for TSM to own 3 different large "gaming" houses in about 2 years isn't an indicator of how much money teams like Curse (Also have a large website), TSM, or CLG have? Not really, no. I mean the Curse house is in Las Vegas, someone probably paid them to take it with how hosed the real estate market is there. You can afford a pretty big house without bringing in a combined 1 million/year. Saint Vicious has claimed he makes as much as a Doctor though and I'm sure voyboy makes an absurd amount of money streaming with his viewership, I'm sure they all do quite well but I doubt anyone was pulling in 1mil/team/year in 2012. Though with the LCS money and weekly viewer numbers things could really be changing now.
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IBentMyWookie posted:Wtf 200k let's get back to reality MLB bench players make less that that. Yeah and non-top earning LoL players make far less as well, if we're going to look at Voyboy or Saint Vicious and be like "I'm sure Rhux(MLB bench player) is pulling down similar numbers," that's just stupid. Primary care physicians average 120k though so it's really not far fetched to say Saint Vicious can beat out a doctor. The LCS gives 175k to the team in a flat fee per split. Let's say the organization skims off 50k for housing/managers/to give us a rounder number. That means each curse member probably made 50k for getting into both halves of the LCS. Streaming revenue is somewhere between $1-5/1000. Let's say you're voyboy and you stream 20 hours a week, you average 20k viewers. 70% of them are assholes with ad block and it's not the holiday season so you're getting $1.50/ad. You play 6 ads an hour you clear 6*1.50*20*0.3 1080 a week. Over the course of the year that probably doubles during holidays and he probably ups his streaming accordingly (I would.) so he probably makes as much as 1500-2k average from streaming each week over the course of a year. Puts him well short of 200k but enough to say he beats out a primary care physician. Voyboy's a best case though for streaming revenue. They also have sponsorships, whatever Curse pays them, however much Saint gets for doing poo poo like "Jungology" or writing guides or whatever. I doubt players like Rhux or Elementz or anyone not on TSM/CLG/Curse are making anywhere near that much however so the whole team probably doesn't average 200k.
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mushi posted:This discussion is pretty hilarious. Even in sports where they have actual public disclosure requirements (like, say, mixed martial arts) you basically have no idea how much people are actually making because of sponsorships/bonuses/expenses. I think it mostly comes down to wanting to believe really hard that they don't make more money than those of us stuck at work right now instead of playing league of legends. That's probably not true though, they make a lot of money. Edit: vvv Yeah that also. There's no question Curse can probably offer a lot more money than most of the other teams(Excepting EG, but they're not going to drop Krepo for EdWard so they don't matter in this discussion.) Curse as an organization has a lot of money outside of LoL. They run MMO-Champion and a ton of other gaming sites. Everyone I knew in WoW had their auto-updating addon thing, they're a lot more than just a LoL team. M. Night Skymall fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jun 7, 2013 |
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Daunte Vicknabb posted:I am upset about EdWard going to Curse because I dislike Saint and I dislike EdWard and I dislike the thought of Curse succeeding. But...But Voyboy and Jacky! How can you hate them? I also hate Saint but I can't hate curse because of the other two. I mean really what NA team is 100% full of lovable personalities? Even goon favorite VES had some issues with their manager on team liquid. (And they Edit: So apparently they dropped Deezer, my bad. Leaguepedia still had him listed as a temporary sub. (Deezer is 1Goal1Dream and a famously terrible person from the Starcraft 2 scene.) M. Night Skymall fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jun 8, 2013 |
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