The Vengeful Achaen Thread - Trojan War [Soldiers Mafia]

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Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Oh cool game's started. It's my birthday celebrations tonight so I'll check this out tomorrow. Have fun, y'all!

# ¿ Oct 17, 2015 17:33

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# ¿ May 8, 2024 08:18

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Hi friends! Birthday was amazing, I partied for 14 hours, spent the next day collapsed in bed cuddling a pizza and am now sort of recovered and 30 :toot:

I'll start catching up as soon as I've watched B99, I'm excited to learn why Hiipfire is voting for me!

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 10:28

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Ok, just checked up on the rules and took a proper look at my role PM. I'm best off in melee.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:36

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CCKeane posted:

this is the thread for joke dicks.

Pretty sure that's PMom's thread.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:39

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Asiina posted:

My scumtell is posting a lot of big elaborate cases and also lots of shitposting. If I'm posting a lot I'm scum.

Nice to see Asiina embracing jokephase

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:41

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

King Burgundy posted:

If I was scum, I would take you up on this offer in a heartbeat. I'm not though.

This post is giving me ~*vibes*~

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:48

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King Burgundy posted:

Am I the only one that sees Ecco praising someone for essentially the same post? I mean, his had more words than mine, but the gist was the same, no?

Or am I crazy?

Is this where the whole suspicion train on Ecco started? Cause I don't see how your scumtell post was the same as Fox's at all. I mean, I didn't really read it as fake or anything but it didn't have the same level of self-awareness that Fox showed.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:53

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

King Burgundy posted:

rofl. You couldn't be more transparent in your attempts to misread my words and intention. Sorry you rolled scum. I know you like Keane and wouldn't have chosen this for yourself.

This is unusually aggressive from KB. I think the only other times I've seen him like this are when I was purposefully winding him up and I don't see Ecco's comments as inspiring that same level of vindictiveness..

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:58

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Rarity posted:

This is unusually aggressive from KB. I think the only other times I've seen him like this are when I was purposefully winding him up and I don't see Ecco's comments as inspiring that same level of vindictiveness..

Extra thought, he's also reached the same level right at the start of D1 rather than in the few days it's taken me to piss him off. I'm just not seeing the emotion in that post as genuine at all.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 13:59

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

merk posted:

I think this is very wrong. I usually lead lynches as scum.

You also lead lynches as town, it's a null tell.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:04

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EccoRaven posted:

time for another ecco breadcrumb (everyone should breadcrumb all the time)

TOM: S1PcK. Nap chuub. MFPY16. huK, XnB. k? Goef #Noz Latp. 12 12e. JM *EFh jrEqEPN. lf 14 .DOS .I(N).

taesKJp. YmSGzB lw.

this was entirely generated by hand, specifically, pen and paper.

Ecco did you pass out on your keyboard is everything ok? :ohdear:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:06

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EccoRaven posted:

nah.

a breadcrumb is a clue or hint about your role left early in the game, so if you claim it on day 5 and point out the breadcrumb it gives your claim a little more weight.

they are generally hard to spot but for that same reason scum can (and I as scum often do) fake multiple breadcrumbs.

Lumpen is a mafia player. He was in this game but he replaced out.

I'm finding all the heat on Ecco for this cypher thing to be interesting. My take is that Ecco likes to experiment with the way mafia is played so this is the kind of thing I can see her testing just to see what would happen. I think that if we get an eventual claim out of her she also needs to post the cypher so we can see that it wasn't bullshit.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:13

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Opopanax posted:

Hey, some of us are just really scummy regardless of alignment

Maybe you should try to actually play mafia then :v:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:23

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merk posted:

I voted you because your attempt to spark content went nowhere and you made no attempt to make it go anywhere but nowhere.

Disagree. If nothing else it's provoked a bunch of posts from KB that I don't think people have looked at enough and Ecco tried to develop that until the heat on her put her into defensive mode. I don't like how you're misrepresenting that whole chain of events.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:27

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King Burgundy posted:

Wow, you are still doing it. You minimize anything I say and pretend other things are happening with every one of your posts. It was NOT just your use of the word perfect. I did NOT say I have no scumtells. I said I didn't know of any. Do you not understand how those are two different things? I'm pretty sure you DO understand that, and this is just your scum strategy. I then proceeded to mention the one thing I know I occasionally do differently as scum. None of the words you are ascribing to me are words I am saying. Here, let me show you what it looks like when someone says they have no scum tells:

Notice the difference?

Oh boy I really don't like this. KB's taking Ecco's quote about having no scumtells out of context. Just to remind everyone the full quote is this:

EccoRaven posted:

unfortunately I have no scumtells, so

but a way you can find out if I am scum is if I solidly defended by scumbuddies all game, since I am very anti-bussing. I recently have begun to do slight, very light bussing to play with my meta, but I would never shoot my team in the foot so badly as to Actually Bus them, even if it'd be "sooo not my meta!!", because that'd be a good way to lose the game.

here is an example of a recent scum game. You can also tell I stayed back and didn't make as many cases as I normally would; though that's not a perfect tell since I often get in people's grills regardless of alignment, if I'm hanging back it's because I'm struggling to engage with the game, which happens way more often as scum than town.

here is a game exemplifying the hanging back-ness.

And yes, I realise that KB is not explicitly using that quote to claim that Ecco is scum but what he is doing is trying to paint Ecco in a way that looks far more thoughtless and hypocritical than she was actually being.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:40

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

bowmore posted:

I kind of agree with Burgundy

It might just be my distrust of KB but I don't like this.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 14:46

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TMMadman posted:

And I just don't know how she gets to that conclusion because it seems forced and deliberately misleading. I felt KB was being honest with his original answer. I've played with KB when he was town and scum and he really does try to play the same way regardless of his alignment. I've called him scum when he's town and I've called him town when he's scum. I don't read his original answer as saying "I'm perfect a player", I read it as him saying "I try to stay consistent with my actions regardless of my alignment" and combined with Asiina making a very valid point that KBs cases are better when he's town, it just reads like Ecco is trying to push a bad case.

Can you explain how KB's plan of 'playing the same way as scum as when town' is any different to what everybody does? All KB's doing is saying 'yeah I try to play mafia'

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:09

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TheNabster posted:

Could have sworn there are more people in this thread then Ecco and people pointing fingers at Ecco, where's everyone else at?

A D1 lurker call out? :monocle:

You know, if you're not feeling all the discussion about Ecco you could have just talked about something else instead of making this post.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:23

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TMMadman posted:

But I'm not really focused on your meta. My main issue with you is that you keep pushing a BK case that I think is garbage. And when combined you calling someone town based from what amounts to a single post is just too much for me right now. It just feels suspicious and scummy. However, I will ##unvote for now though because it's double plurality and we should be looking at more than just one or two people, but I'd still be willing to vote for you.

I think merk is being above the board right now and I'm leaning town for him. I like his post about his scum tells here:

I'm surprised you didn't call him out for saying that he also plays a 'Perfect game' like KB because it has the same idea behind it. The reason I like this is because even though I've only been scum a couple times, I've kind of done the same thing but in reverse. For example, in my first scum game (your Pearl game) I was called out early in the game for prodding lurkers. And then in one of my next games (your Charnel game), I was town and I deliberately prodded lurkers early in the game in order to make lurker prodding a null tell for me. I really should have pushed BK harder in that game because he voted for me on pure meta reasons and I knew that my pushing lurkers would draw an easy scum vote.

Speaking of lurkers, I'd like to see some of them post more, specifically FoxTerrier because I'm not trusting your judgement on him yet. I noticed Verr has posted a bit while writing this post, but I'm not liking it so far because it lacks opinions or substance. Plus, we are way past joke phase at this point, so this post is pretty suspect:

Especially when combined with the fact that he volunteered to fight a few posts earlier.

I feel like TM is approaching the game from a town perspective, even though I don't really agree with his reads. His thoughts have an openness to them of a player that's just starting to really understand mafia and it reads like that awareness is coming through without being distorted through a scum filter.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:33

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FoxTerrier posted:

�I have no idea what the drama between Merk and Guisseppe is but I strongly suspect it's dumb.

I'm just glad that D1 hasn't turned into a non-stop slapfight between the two of them like the last one I played with them (Pearl?)

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:36

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Verr posted:

here's what people have said about fighting:

TMMadman: "no issue fighting" "good addition" wants to fight in defensive emplacement "pretty good at combat"
Mithross: "raged debuff" "decent at combat"
King Burgandy: "Useful outside of combat" "ranged" if we have to send him in
CCKeane: "can give item to turn scum into survivor"
"Guissuipadsiuop puidfdsaf: your name sucks "good at beating people up"
Merk: "melee dude"
the Nabster: "brutal debuffs" asked to be backline
Capitalist Pig: "useful at combat, but not frontline fighter"
Opoponax: "decent debuffs" "probably better in combat that out"
Asiina: "not greatest at combat" "i'll go if I have to"
Fox Terrier: "party dude"

and I'm a backline buffer guy.

alright, so I figure excepting one or two scum who have in-combat abilities, most of them will want to stay out of the battle. so folks are putting up a token effort but are avoiding fights. if this reads then King Burgandy and Asiina are my two picks.

i'll ##vote Asiina for now to help avoid "hammering" or whatever. lemme know if i missed anyone's combat chat.

everyone else who hasn't talked about your abilities, SPEAK UP

I like this post, Verr's approaching the game from a different direction and I like the direction he's coming from.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:40

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CapitalistPig posted:

What is even going on why is everyone so serious.

Ecco is scum btw.

##vote ecco

Ughhhh

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:41

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Verr posted:

that's fair, but i'm definitely making that vote based on posting. and rolefishy is definitely what i was going for. we need to know who to send into the fight. right?

Rolefishing is bad because it leads to town outting PRs for no reason. You just need to look at Mad Max where a bunch of newbies outted their doctor cause of good intentioned role fishing (the doctor was me and I was SO MAD that game)

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:45

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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Ecco I'm not interested in conversing with scum ~_~

This is a really bad anti-town attitude. For starters, unless you're scum you don't know if Ecco's scum or not so being unwilling to converse leads to being close minded which leads to town making mislynches. Further, even if Ecco was scum conversing with her would produce more content that could later be used to to link to her scum buddies.

Of course, you're a good enough player to know all this so my question becomes why are you trying to cut down on discussion?

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:50

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merk posted:

Nope. Playing mostly on a phone this weekend.

Just as a heads up to people, I've seen merk pretend to be phone posting in previous games where he's scum as a way to avoid posting.

mer, you got a pic of baseball tickets for me? :unsmigghh:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:52

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TMMadman posted:

And imgay just posted Verrs list in the other thread.

That's not really a big deal. Anyone from Pee-Dumb's thread could have gone through this one and made the exact same list. This is not exactly secret information.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:54

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FoxTerrier posted:

Out of curiosity can anyone that knows metas confirm whether or not this is true?

I can confirm that Hiipfire is terrible, yes.

He's starting to get better though :3:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:56

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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Thanks rest of thread for not saying anything at all during this, so loving glad

This is my favourite thing you have ever said :allears:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 15:59

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

EccoRaven posted:

Diqnol I am sensing a lot of "damned if you do/damned if you don't" from you. the impression seems to be that it doesn't matter if I'm actually scum or not, just that I need to be punished for making a cipher. I need to die because the scum would kill me anyway (but I'm actually scum anyway so the scum wouldn't kill me).

A lot of language there too about me potentially being "a townie hurting the town," which also reads less like you actually think I'm scum and more like you want an out for when I flip town. "It was ecco's fault," you'd say, "the cipher post made them a liability."

This post is a good summary of the diqnol/Ecco slapfight. Diqnol looks like he wants to lynch Ecco without caring about Ecco's alignment, that's just scummy as gently caress.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 16:02

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Asiina posted:

I didn't even know Rarity was in this game.

Rude.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 16:06

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TMMadman posted:

I don't know, if I was scum, posting about battle stuff seems like a pretty easy out because it's not actually making judgement calls on people while still looking like you want to help.

Verr said he's not a regular mafia player like the rest of us and a newbie to SA mafia. I've seen newbie players do all sorts of irregular methods of scum hunting that have got them in trouble even when it was super obvious they were town (Section 31's list of null tells, Lowell's voting non-analysis).

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 16:10

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bowmore posted:

If I was to think about it I would just assume it's because the game doesn't take a 24 hour format that you are used to

bowmore who do you think is scum?

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 16:13

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Ok I gotta go to the doctor now, I'll finish up when I get back.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 16:14

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bowmore posted:

but I will try and get my brain to do a thing when I'm finished working on this other thing

bowmore you need to show more or else you will blow more

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 18:58

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

EccoRaven posted:

##vote merk

he's been taking a back seat to actual scumhunting today, his "case" against me is not good because its points aren't reflected in reality, and I think he's just playing up his bother by my language to avoid addressing the flaws in his case.

I think he's acting like a parody of himself this game. Since he's genuinely disengaged with the game he's doing what he thinks he'd do as town in this situation, but it rings totally empty.

I agree with this, Ecco's points vibe with the impression I've been getting.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 19:02

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HiipFire posted:

tbh I like all the high volume posters for town(though Ecco is my least strong read of those) and I'd like to lynch Rarity cause she aint got no posts

##vote Rarity

im sorry its 5AM i can barely form coherent sentences

Rude.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 19:08

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King Burgundy posted:

I don't have any strong scum feelings on anyone else currently. But I'm very comfortable voting out any of the lurkers as my second choice. There is always at least one scum there.

I generally have a few people I feel comfortable are town by now, but this game has been a bit weird and I'm not really seeing enough from anyone to lean that way yet.

I think KB is using his case on Ecco to avoid having to put down reads on any other players. He hasn't made a single alignment call on anyone in this game except Ecco and it's simple for scum to push a lurker lynch to get rid of a towny without having to take any blame for it.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 19:14

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TMMadman posted:

I do have to say it is concerning that Ecco has gotten so many votes so quickly. Not to mention she almost has more posts than the next three people combined.

It takes a lot of energy and effort to post that much when you are scum, so even though I'm still somewhat suspicious of Ecco, I think it'd probably be a mistake to hang her today.

I find this whole Ecco bandwagon opportunistic and I'm certain there's at least one scum in there somewhere.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 19:16

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EccoRaven posted:

I mean, I see the similarities - you both said you were trying to imitate your town games as scum but you couldn't think of anything in specific. But that's a very surface-level similarity, because to me the tone of both your posts was really different. In FT's I could see her thought process, I could see her engaging with the question, thinking through it, and presenting that clearly. I didn't get that from your post at all.

My opinion though is universally panned, which means, while I still feel like I'm right, it's certainly not something worth pushing anymore.

Don't stop believing Ecco, I saw it too :smith:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 19:19

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# ¿ May 8, 2024 08:18

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Verr posted:

i'm okay with any of the frequent posters out. i'd also be down for a silent lynch. whatever it is, let's be sure to use the battle system to help determine truth/fiction in concert with that vote.

Ok, this is way less good from Verr. He's essentially saying that he'll lynch anyone and doesn't really care who.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2015 19:21

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