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The best approach is probably a mixture of "Minimum Effort" and some other plan. Run some recon beforehand, see if there's anyone running SAMs or fighters or anti-aircraft in the area. If so, give 'em the business. If not, gently caress it just show up with a bomb truck and a two-plane CAP, maybe 2-4 more in reserve. No need to overplan and overcommit if we don't really have to.
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Whatever we bomb the cows with, we need to do it by overflying the cows at maximum speed and minimum altitude.  I mean, we aren't getting paid to 'bomb some cows', we're getting paid to make a show out of bombing some cows.
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Jan 12, 2018 10:59
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Don't be silly, we already had our whale cooking contest in the Bering Sea.
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Jan 14, 2018 00:01
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HereticMIND posted:Yeah, and we lost. Hard. We might’ve gotten the sunshine out, but we still got the short end when it came to the poo poo we lost. Well we didn't cook any whales, so of course we lost the whale-cooking contest. I blame the ANGERpeace lobby.
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Minimal Effort and Nazareth. The first is practical, the second is  Do not fire unless fired upon. All this poo poo around here really isn't our problem. Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 16, 2018 08:51
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Dr. Snark posted:I suppose that's what we get for naming our new program B.O.N.E.R. The half of the PMCs that rejected us probably couldn't take that seriously. If they can't take our BONER seriously then we won't take them seriously.
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Jan 19, 2018 05:16
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Yooper you magnificent bastard.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:11
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If we want interceptors, we should get an Avro Arrow
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Feb 12, 2018 10:28
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From the database, AMRAAM-C5s have a range of 111km. Compare to the meteors which have a range of 130km. If we can get these we need to get these. Though, if we can 3DP the platform and carry scads of the AMRAAM-C5s on a multirole then we might run into Gripen Problem II: Eagle Boogaloo. I'm almost sad we're going to be dunking that Bison factory next, having that kind of threat around all the time keeps things interesting.
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Feb 17, 2018 04:08
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On one hand, time spent in reconnaissance is never wasted. On the other hand, the home front is always more important than the front lines. Problem is, we've got three potential target sites but only one target ID element. So, most likely outcome is that our ground mercs go to Baia Mare and tell us it's not there. If we need to recon two targets then ad-hoc a strike without a proper planning session then the next mission is going to be a clusterfuck. Especially if the site is in Russia, because Russian air defense is horrifying. For the sake of a continued information advantage I'm willing to bite the bullet here. C : Sortie a recon mission into ROMARM territory and get a better look at the target facilities.
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Feb 18, 2018 03:10
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Has doing a recon run prior to a strike tipped our hand before? If so we should definitely not make that mistake again.
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Feb 18, 2018 11:25
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Bacarruda posted:In the past, we've done recon as the first part of a larger strike. For example, when we did the Coke rescue op, we flew in the Mirage first to gather ELINT. Then we sent in the fast movers. Edit: Wait a minute, we still have those F-117s, the stealth strikers. Do they have any recce capability, or just 4x bunker busters? poo poo, if only we still had that Gorgon Stare. Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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Feb 18, 2018 14:49
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Yeah, "expecting an attack and big strike soon" is not the time to have some of our planes down for refit. Maybe after this mission.power crystals posted:In my opinion we just don't have aircraft well suited to this unless we want to dedicate a fair chunk of our strike craft to CAP and SEAD missions for escort, and at that point why wouldn't we just blow the thing up at the same time? I think you're right. We don't have any air assets really suited to deep recon, but we can't really plan a strike without information. If we can nail down the actual location and get an idea of the major defenses (radar installations, S-300s etc.) we should be good. But we've already committed our ground mercs to one, so what can we do for the other two?
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Feb 18, 2018 15:37
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RandomPauI posted:We could theoretically bribe our CIA contacts for intel on one of the sites. By the way, are the US and Russia at war at this point? Last we heard they managed to avert Yooper, can we ask our CIA Contact for a favor?
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Feb 18, 2018 15:45
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I don't know about doing poo poo for free, but we can definitely throw in a hefty discount for them being good allies to have. I mean we're basically a modest air force by this point
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Feb 18, 2018 15:52
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bibliosabreur posted:Bac: when we upgrade, I'm all aboard the F-15 train. Full Baztardry. However, I must confess that I'm on the fence as to whether now's the time for it. Basically my concern as well. 4-6 week downtime means definitely out for this next big mission, and probably out for the one after that too. It's an excellent upgrade and we're definitely going to get a lot of use out of a modernized Eagle but we should do our upgrades at the end of the theatre. At the very least, after this big strike we're prepping. bibliosabreur posted:Oh my god I can't wait to see how this plays out It means that bacon is going to get hella cooked Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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Feb 19, 2018 03:20
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There's a couple stories floating around the internet of a sailor who tried to cook a jiffypop on a DDG's aegis radar set. So he tied it to a rope, tossed it over the railing to dangle in front of the emitter. The second it enters the radar beam all the popcorn pops and the guy hurriedly reels the thing back in. A few minutes later he gets a call from his boss asking him if he sees anything funny outside because the guys in the radar room just had a YUGE ufo pop up on their sets and then gently caress off.
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Feb 19, 2018 03:38
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All we really need for intel is a location, maybe a rundown on major defenses like long-range SAMs. Two weeks is too little time to get the Baztards in play for this mission so if we go for the upgrades we'll be down our Eagles and probably get them back next mission. I like the feeling of that, it means even if we screw the pooch on this mission we'll be left with a solid core of multiroles next mission. I'm changing my Recon vote to Upgrades.
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Quinntan posted:I'm still an advocate for Cessna 172 reconnaissance I wish we still had those SK60Bs, those would be perfect for a sovcrap suicide recon run.
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Feb 19, 2018 16:17
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power crystals posted:I’m pretty sure sending hapless goon pilots on literal suicide runs is bad form. That's what volunteering is for. C'mon, you can't tell me you wouldn't want to ride a shitplane museum piece on a blaze of glory run. C'mon, you know you want to. It'll be fun. Promise.
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A more modest solution is probably to focus on the most likely threats, and the most effort-efficient threats. That would be raids, SAM traps, small air strikes, and sabotage. We're probably not going to get a full ground assault showing up with no warning, likewise a full-size air strike. For small hit & fade air strikes: Identify the most likely NOE approaches to our base and get MANPADs set up there, ideally with radar coverage. For general usage: Cover the base in Tunguskas, because Tunguskas are cool. More importantly, Tunguskas are pretty alright SHORAD and will shrek everything short of actual AFVs, but actual AFVs will be pretty hard to sneak in. Get like, six of them and park them around the perimeter to support foot patrols. Bacarruda is pretty on-point with his plan (as always). We can pull the locals for checkpoint duty to save a few bucks and we might not need the snipers. Either way our air wing is going to be the decisive element here unless someone does action movie commando raids and poo poo, so we should gear our ground forces against that.
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RandomPauI posted:Would mounting a radar to a commercial craft be a viable jury-rig?  
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Dance Officer posted:Right now we have some Albanian yokels with stolen and outdated equipment for a ground force. They'll keep the riffraff out but they won't be able to stop a proper wetworks team or a determined assault. It's time we outsource our ground troop needs to professionals! I don't trust the heavily armed slavs to not cause trouble with the other heavily armed slavs.
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As much as I want to like the North Koreans, with both light armor and light artillery and local training potential and an affordable price, Chingola really is the best option.
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DesperateDan posted:Option #2 Another couple of Pantsirs or Tunguskas couldn't hurt. They do the same thing as Shilkas but also have small SAMs and are more modern. We've seen how SHORAD is pretty good at sweeping up a plane's worth of bombs and really that sort of backstop is all we need.
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power crystals posted:On the other hand Shilkas are cool as hell and we can probably buy one for like $8 and a case of beer. How many other weapons systems had an issue where runaway ammo cookoffs led to the barrels melting and falling off? You just can’t get that kind of quality elsewhere.
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power crystals posted:Let my plans never be mistaken for good ideas. Not being a good idea has its own merits.
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A massive air battle above our mountain-lair sounds  . We can get dogfights over the town, we can get people launching right out of the mountain, friendly
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Davin Valkri posted:As for Ace Combat music, our home base is about to be raided by a massive aerial assault from an unknown direction. This is really the first music that comes to mind for that. I was thinking Comona, but this suits the pace of CMANO a bit better.
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Dr. Snark posted:We already had our Comona moment back in Angola. Good times... We haven't had a Comona moment until we're working for
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FrangibleCover posted:Skyguard (Taiwanese or Greek) - Your Western Pantsir, except fixed. MIM-7M missiles with 75% base Pk at 14nm, 35mm Oerlikons as you would find on a Gepard for the close in work. A pretty old system and Greece is the country next door, these should be achieveable and I'm frankly stunned by how good they are. The ones with MIM-7Fs or with Aspides are also okay but not quite as good and the ones with Aspide 2000s or AHEAD rounds are probably too modern for us. Holy poo poo those skyguards are good. We should definitely see about bribing the Greeks to give us a few, maybe in exchange for a favor? Out of the available MANPADs, the RBS 70 is probably the best bet. Good range  , good accuracy, and most importantly, it's Swedish
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So it's quantity or quality, eh?Wikipedia posted:The Sky Bow I (TK-1) (天弓一, Tien Kung I) is a surface-to-air missile (SAM) system developed by the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology (CSIST) in Taiwan, ROC. Originally based on the aerodynamics of the MIM-23 Hawk missile, the original missile design resembled a scaled-up Raytheon AIM-54 Phoenix.[6] The TK-1 missile was subsequently redesigned and eventually became very similar in appearance to the US Patriot missile after the US government allowed Raytheon to transfer 85 percent of the MIM-104 Patriot missile technology.[6] There is no track-via-missile (TVM) homing capability as this technology was not included in the technology package licensed to Taiwan;[6] the TK-1 system operates in a similar manner to the US Standard SM2 missile, requiring an illuminating radar during the terminal phase. Significant similarities to the Patriot and SM-2 systems (Raytheon  ) is definitely points in favor, as is a 100km range @ 80% PK and built-in 300km RADAR set. Problem is, the missiles need the Illuminator set on a target for terminal guidance so knock that thing out (say, with one ALARM) and the whole thing is useless. We'd need to park a Pantsir on the Sky Bow's radar set to protect it from anti-radiation missiles.Wikipedia posted:The weapons system itself consists of two 35 mm (1.38 inch) revolver cannons with a rate of fire of 1,000 rounds per minute, a fire control system made up of a sensor unit and a detached command post. The Skyshield can also use up to two surface-to-air missile 8-cell modules for an expanded air defense capability. The Skyshield is designed for traditional anti-aircraft roles in addition to defense against missiles (see anti-ballistic missile). The Skyshield is a modern system but uh. This Greek one is just chucking ground-launched AIM-7 Sparrows at a target with 25km range @ 75% PK. Objectively worse than the Sky Bow, but comes with its own PD battery. Problem is the 35mm Oerlikon burst has only 25% PK at 1nm. Contrast the autocannons on the OG Tunguskas and the Shilkas and our own Pantsir with 50% PK at the same range and that Oerlikon is just bad Meanwhile the Cactus and the Chaparrals are both only 65% PK. Out of the two the Cactus is probably the better pick due to marginally better range and two more launchers. Our own Pantsirs which are as good as it gets for this role are sitting at 70% PK so it's not as bad as it sounds. If I had to pick a system for general use, man that Sky Bow will be so nice. 100km range, that's loving power projection, man. You can shoot from Helsinki over to northern Estonia. If I had to pick one to defend a base, knowing it's going to have anti-radiation missiles chucked at it, probably the Cactus. Less range, no power projection, but also much less vulnerable to ARMs. Plus, filling the sky with ineffectual SAMs is Ace Combat as hell. The Sky Bow really is the best on-paper option here and I have to hold myself back from trying to gently caress it but considering it's absolutely dependant on its RADAR set, well, that's just another thing we need to cover with SHORAD. We've been on the receiving end of that kind of threat before so I really hesitate to discount it. Remember the S-300 emplacement over Angola that we had to design whole missions around? Having a cheap Taiwanese knockoff Patriot is that kind of threat, but it's only one launcher with only four missiles. I'd say it comes down to usefulness vs vulnerability. Do we want base defense? Do we want filling the air over our base with a shitload of mediocre missiles? If so, get the Cactus. Do we want area denial? Do we want four lances of god that had their ability to hunt you down removed because it was too powerful? Noshtane posted:I have the distinct feeling that we would go "nah, gently caress it" if offered a mission where we would face a pair of sky bow launchers where protected by Pantsirs.
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i think it says something that i spent that whole post trying to convince myself not to pick the skybow and still wound up picking the skybow
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Mr Crustacean posted:The long range Sam gives us a huge area denial capability that we can also use offensively. That's honestly the Sky Bow's biggest selling point. Remember those SAM sites in Alaska? The ones that were locking us up almost as soon as we took off? We could do that with the Sky Bow. poo poo, with the area denial capability we can project an AA bubble over not just our airbase but also the relevant city. The distance between Toronto Intl. Airport and Downtown Toronto is only half the Sky Bow's range. Park it in Dulles Intl. Airport and both DC and Baltimore are in range. If there's a factory complex that needs defending then basing out of a nearby airport will take care of it. That's a selling point for the whole company tbh. Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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FrangibleCover posted:Add to that the random gyro-related-failure chance for the Skyguard and this isn't even a choice. I think delicious gyros would be points in favour of the Skyguard, not points against.
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Modern high-end SAM systems solve that radar neutralization issue with a combination of datalinks and onboard terminal homing. It's kinda like what we see in CMANO with targeting SAMs off a different radar emplacement and the little radar cones our meteors have. Contrasting with smaller/older missiles, modern large missile systems like the Patriot, SM-2, S-300 and S-400 actually have enough radar and computing power on the missile itself to take care of terminal homing. So you can send an SM-2 off at the general direction of an aircraft and if it doesn't find the target it'll turn on its own radar set and run a search pattern. Even if you think you dodged the missile it'll turn around, try to reacquire you, and hunt you down.
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Let them in Man, these locals are cool, we don't want them getting bombed. Besides, it's their bunker in the first place. While the penalty to scramble time isn't great we just can not afford to deal with a riot and pissing off the locals will result in all our poo poo getting stolen. poo poo man, store the planes outside if we have to.
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CourValant posted:I feel 'Mercenaries for God' is a good opposing OPFOR.  Sister Miriam Godwinson of the Lord's Believers approves of this message. Deus Vult!
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:CMANO but the whole thing is ASW
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