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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Al Borland Corp. posted:

And didn't Tata Reid and another actress already accuse him if trying to pick them up at age 16? People seemed to believe it. James Woods just doesn't have a career to kill.

Amber Tamblyn I think

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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I mean the thing with giving people a second chance is I'm about it in theory but I'm more inclined to feel that way for someone who fucks up once or twice and tries to make good than for someone who systematically abuses their power to sexually assault and harass people for loving decades

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Darko posted:

Not everyone implicated did that. Some did things when younger and seem decade(s) removed from their last stated incident (and not doing anything again is a large mark of repentance).

I know, I was mostly talking about guys like Spacey and Weinstein

Basically if Spacey seems contrite AND can go 30 years without molesting anyone, then maybe I'll be okay with him dragging his 90-year-old rear end out of retirement for his big comeback role.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Mechafunkzilla posted:

And how would it feel to be someone who Kevin Spacey sexually assaulted 30 years ago, seeing him get a big comeback role as an old man and the accompanying redemption narrative? Going to a movie or watching TV and seeing him in a preview?

It's insane the degree to which people will try to accommodate abusers while ignoring their victims.

I was half kidding, ideally Kevin Spacey won't be alive for thirty more years

obviously the victims come first, I'm not trying to "accommodate abusers"

Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Nov 14, 2017

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Rhyno posted:

From the cache


I'm having a little trouble buying this one. Why would you wait until now to make this public? Gal's been in the public eye in a major way for several years now.

So was Kevin Spacey

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I dunno whether it's true or not but "why didn't the victim come forward earlier?" is not the best question. Many victims in these situations do not come forward immediately for many reasons, among them fear of not being believed.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Pedro De Heredia posted:

People being able to make a living (by working in the field they've worked in their entire life) does not 'invalidate' their victims anymore that people leaving prison after a sentence does.

There's a difference between being able to live your life and getting back the old job that you used to leverage your position to abuse people

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Rhyno posted:

Why? Because he's one of them? Have a lot of comedians been defending Louie?

I mean a lot of them did until the flood of evidence became too much to deny

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



well why not posted:

Apparently the writing staff of Transparent are considering writing him out, which is insane. Just end the show.

I've never watched the show but the argument against doing this is that then everyone on the show is out of a job because of Jeffrey Tambor. In her letter in that article, Trace Lysette says that she hopes the show isn't cancelled over it.

Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Nov 17, 2017

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I do really wish we could shy away from extrapolating which artists we think are predators based on the art they made (Larry Clark notwithstanding)

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Rhyno posted:

The whole situation is just making us all voice our fears that creators we love might be bad people. And then what does that say about us?

As far as this goes, I'm not saying you have to separate the art from the artist, but I am saying there's absolutely zero correlation between being a good artist and being a good person.

Basebf555 posted:

You're right, that really wasn't the intention of my post but obviously this isn't the right thread to be just throwing random thoughts out there. My bad.

To be fair, it can be a complicated issue, and I think all of us have had that moment of trying to psychoanalyze an artist based on their work (I definitely get those "hmm maybe this dude had some problems with women" vibes watching Peckinpah movies, for example). I just think it can be a dangerous road to go down.

Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Nov 17, 2017

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



lelandjs posted:

I mean, there's a million different possible explanations as to why Scorsese played that role. It could be that the actor that was going to play it was unavailable and they were running out of time so he did it himself.

This is actually exactly what happened.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



The Cameo posted:

Also the exact scene is in the original Schrader screenplay, so he didn't write the scene at all.

This part I was unsure about since I know Scorsese has a tendency to rewrite dialogue on the fly on his movies

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I'm not making any claims about Scorsese but I feel like you could totally appreciate world cinema and still be racist

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



The majority of offenders are indeed men and sexism/gender imbalance is at the root of this whole Hollywood thing, but I'm more or less with esperterra on this, I mean there was just that whole thing with the lady from Smallville who was running a sex slavery ring, and stuff like the recent, completely insane saga of Thinx CEO MikI Agrawal does kinda puncture the idea that women bosses are necessarily less inclined to abuse their power in these ways

Edit: the article I linked was mostly about how terribly she ran the company, should've linked to this one which was about the sexual harassment allegations (although the other one is also highly recommended reading)

Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Nov 22, 2017

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Keillor's always seemed like a hypocrite and a scumbag to me so good riddance

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Fart City posted:

I honestly believe that the best project for Terry Crews, post Brooklyn-99, would be like, a series adaption of True Lies with him in the Schwarzenegger role. It would let him flex all of his muscles (so to speak), by jumping between action and comedy, while also allowing him to play the family dynamic in Everybody Hates Chris.

I love this idea

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

As I understand from someone who went to bartender school or one of those deals, that's part of the training now.

Yep. I also have some hairdresser friends who have told me its part of their training to recognize signs of domestic abuse.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Having a mixology certification can help but is not required.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Inescapable Duck posted:

I still think that romantic comedies and romance subplots hosed up people's ideas of relationships at least as much as porn.

Probably moreso, really

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



my take is: gently caress Dan Schneider's creepy rear end and I hope he falls down a manhole

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



DC Murderverse posted:

Travis Barker

you may know him as a horror director, but i'm more a fan of his drumming for Blink 182

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I know, I just meant in the abstract, because it comes up a lot and it's puzzling to me

i mean from a lot of the celebrity stories i've read from the '60s and '70s, statutory rape was just something you did back then (obviously the Polanski thing is more than just statutory rape)

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Basebf555 posted:

There were limits to what the public would look the other way on though, even then. I remember a famous musician's career basically came to an end after he became engaged to like a 12 or 13 year old girl, I just can't remember what his name was.

Jerry Lee Lewis. Also she was his cousin.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

This is the closest thing to understanding it as I get. As you say, read literally any oral history or biography of some entertainer's life pre-1990 and be amazed at how casual they all are about loving highschoolers. The thing I always get stuck on is that this wasn't something that only recently became frowned upon.

Jimmy Page basically kept a teenage girl as a sex slave and it's seemingly never come back to bite him

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Al Borland Corp. posted:

Who did he think he was, Edgar Allen Poe?

they both had the three names thing going for them

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Sirotan posted:

Not that Doug Hutchison has had any kind of tremendous career, but he's my go-to when I think of recent creepy af Hollywood types robbing the cradle. Married a 16yo when he was 51, and the only reason it was legal in Nevada was one of her parents consented. This was in 2011.

blecccch, that dude is so slimy to begin with, that's nauseating

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I know this is off topic but seriously, why the hell would you puke in a sink instead of a toilet? You can flush a toilet, thats the whole point.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Samantha Geimer's book, The Girl: A Life in the Shadow of Roman Polanski, is extremely good and everyone in this thread should read it.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



-Blackadder- posted:

Here's another really good article I read a while back on Internet Public Shaming Mobs. It's a fascinating retelling of the events surrounding that one infamous woman who told the Africa AIDS joke on twitter.

the full book version of this (So You've Been Publicly Shamed) is a pretty good and quick read

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



R. Guyovich posted:

swiss army man was real bad. i dunno that any of the child actors from harry potter have done a good movie since, with the exception of tom felton doing rise of the planet of the apes

this is getting off topic but I liked The Bling Ring

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



LORD OF BOOTY posted:

so the Devin Faraci thing kind of made me think about something.

is there a path to redemption at all for some of these people? if so, then what, exactly? if not, then what the gently caress exactly do we do about them, browbeat them into public suicide?

e: I don't necessarily think Faraci's atonement is genuine (it probably isn't), but some of the reaction to it makes me think that it's literally impossible for him to atone *at all* in most people's eyes except with possibly his blood.

If he has a path to redemption it does not include writing about movies anymore.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Magic Hate Ball posted:

Or the funny uncle whos engagingly caustic when youre a teenager, but by the time youre an adult hes just scathingly bitter.

lol i definitely have one of these

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



if we're not counting Monty Python stuff Gilliam only has two good movies anyway

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Magic Hate Ball posted:

Time Bandits, Brazil, Munchausen, Fisher King, 12 Monkeys, and Fear/Loathing is a pretty wild hot streak.

i've really only ever liked the first two. Fisher King is okay i guess.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Voodoofly posted:

Its hitting the music industry. Brand new. Crystal castles. Real estate. Gas lamp killer (more known for flying lotus bad defense). That New York next hot band that was about to blow up before all the bad poo poo came out about them. Way more Im sure but those were just off the top of my head.

Mostly niche bands though (I mean, at this point almost every guitar-based band counts as a niche band). Young and in the Way and Cheap Girls are a couple more. It'll be interesting to see if any major pop stars get taken down though, they still feel very insulated. I mean, Chris Brown still has a career.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I assumed that's who they were referring to with "that next hot New York band"

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Fart City posted:

Congrats to Chris Plummer for his new role in Deadpool 2.

Youd think theyd have done that when the hideous rape and women-beating allegations came out. If they do it now I hope it costs them ten times as much.

TJ Miller is as good an argument as exists for putting someone in the stocks and letting everyone pelt him with garbage.

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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



starkebn posted:

Y'all love some projection in this thread

Wild that T.J. Miller is allowed to post from FBI custody

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