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Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Ciaphas posted:

forgot we had a jobseeking thread

my job is less and less attractive as time goes on and i wish for a change, with the remote dream of leaving las vegas (i say dream because i'm terrified of uprooting)

it's been a long time, is handing my resume to a recruiter a thing to do? or do i just listlessly apply at whatever local companies have an opening that i might be able to squeeze my programmer chops into, until either hell freezes or i give up?

Applying to postings and using recruiters can work but it loving sucks.

Try contacting ex-coworkers you had a good relationship with and see if they can put you in touch with anyone decent that's hiring.

It's a good idea to get along and catch up with the more capable contractors that come into your org for <6 months because they bounce around enough to know who needs people and also which places are garbage fires.

Our brains are hosed and referrals are valued way more highly than they should be.

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Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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After your interview, before leaving the building, always take a poo poo.

I have more tolerance for a messy codebase than a messy bathroom. YMMV

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Blinkz0rz posted:

all of the negative reviews for my company are sales people :shrug:

:hellyeah: now I have a new metric

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Just did one of those "programming" puzzles that was a mix of figuring out poo poo was in base64, sql injections, fixing bugs, etc to get the next answer. One of the steps was to send a hex value via PATCH to a url.

The value it wanted was '0xBAD'

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Why is there so much PHP?

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Love to apply for a mid level full stack role and get put forward for tech lead, good job recruita

Boiled Water posted:

there was a time when it was that or html out the rear end

Considering how much COBOL is still out there I guess my lust for the death of the LAMP stack will never be saited.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Wish I was as enthusiastic about my experience as these recruiters are.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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cheque_some posted:

Apparently they were a "Food tech" company. What is that, like, an app for delivering food or something?

The one I spoke to that described themselves like this was mealkits but with recommendation algo. Like Netflix for the Jenny Craig market.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Yes do it. They might offer you enough to switch. Even if they don't you get to ask them whatever questions you want about their business, strategy, tech, etc.

Interviewing, also, is a thing that you should practice.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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TheFluff posted:

They haven’t even talked to my references yet, so this gives me some odd vibes - they’re a bit suspiciously eager. I don’t even want to work in adtech


None of the offers I got this year asked for references.

I feel like if you passed the tech test, who cares?

Maybe they read my linkedin recommendations idk.

Anyway I passed on insurance to work on embedded (and escape a web dev pigeon-hole) so good choice on the adtech pass imo.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Boiled Water posted:

I would apply for positions that aren’t webdev

Worked for me.

Be prepared to talk to those hobby projects and hopefully find a team lead that cares more about attitude and ability than specific skillset.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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qhat posted:

Just be careful of the guy who actually does have X years experience in the thing they want

If interviewing is a numbers game then the career switch is definitely long odds.

Interviewing is pretty risk free though so you might as well go for it if it's what you want.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Recruiters suck but occasionally one will actually match you with an opportunity you would want to work at (broken clock) and I've also occasionally gotten info on the structure or staffing needs of other companies in the industry I would have no way of knowing if I didn't respond to these idiots.

Also two of them (out of hundreds) were nice and helpful and the bad ones cost me all of 1 to 5 minutes. Seems worth engaging if they reach out imo.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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The best jobs are always through friends or previous coworkers though. If you're job searching start setting coffee dates with anyone you've worked with that you have any respect for.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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meatpotato posted:

some interviewers were just fine but about half seemed like people i wouldn’t want to work with

Yep. If you're applying to posts instead of seeking out recommendations this is normal.

You are interviewing them.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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ultravoices posted:

i anticipate 3-6 months of feeling like a total fraud.

Well your duration estimates are completely hosed so you're probably in the right industry.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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I'll have a beer at lunch with my coworkers and gently caress my wife at the end of the week. I'm just that good a programmer.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Might take a job at a bank that's rewriting all their software in node.js for some loving reason lol

Edit: I cannot loving wait to ctrl-f eval

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Rex-Goliath posted:

i'm not gonna pretend that i have any insight into the games industry but unless i was getting in at management level i wouldn't feel very confident in my future happiness, especially considering that you'd be signing up with ea

Too many people consider it their dream, their passion, their life goal and are willing to work for really lovely salaries. It's like Hollywood but there are fewer superstars and no union.

At least there's no porn equivalent to fall into if you don't make it.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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quote:

Front end Conquistador Samuri or Paladin

Inner city tech wiz needed for icy cool agency with high profile work. A love of bikes, dogs, veggie bars, whole food, art and design - we want you!!

Dog bowls, super open plan environment, fruit, mats and colour. Cafe close by for the lazy at heart (coffee machine and tea bags inside).

HTML, CSS, ReactJS / react.js (however you want it written) and all the stuff around it like CSS / HTML, UI Flow, JQuery Integration and Deployments via AWS

Could suit super mum / dad, super kid, super somebody or of course the introverted (but first invite to the Christmas party) person with tasteless dress sense, solid perm worker only

I hate so much about this but my brain cannot get over that a person producing such saccharine copy couldn't even spell samurai correctly.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

perhaps obviously the buyer was not in the price range that purchases wild-rear end advances like spell check

Or proofreading

quote:

HTML, CSS, ReactJS / react.js (however you want it written) and all the stuff around it like CSS / HTML

Is this actually a piece of art? "All the stuff around it" literally referring to the mirrored end and beginning of the statement.



quote:

Dog bowls, super open plan environment, fruit, mats and colour.

quote:

Could suit super mum / dad, super kid

This React shop setup as a kindergarten sounds lovely, but I'm hanging out for the job that lets me write ALGOL and return to the womb.



Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

who are the native americans this front end conquistador will be massacring? visitors to the website?

redleader posted:

family commitments

drat

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Pie Colony posted:

like is anyone really skilled at JSON?

Stupidly enough I see JSON in job ads as a skill or to have experience with so people are using it as a keyword unfortunately.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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The hiring process lasts forever and once I'm past the techscreen I rapidly loose interest in the job I'm probably leaving.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Why would you give more than a 2h takehome when you have to read the submissions?

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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after short pleasantries and other assorted chit-chat

:v: "Well, it sounds like you've got some interesting projects, what does the stack look like?"
:niggly: "Ah, It's 99% C#"
:v: "Okay, well I have no experience with that, so thanks for reaching out to me and best of luck."
:niggly: "Ah, no no no, we're looking for solid engineers no matter the language. We're big on hiring for talent and attitude, we can train C# and .Net"
:v: "Really? Most of my recent experience is Python"
:niggly: "Well you can do the coding assignment in C# or Java, it's not overly complex you could probably give it a go in C# if you have decent object-oriented skills. We're looking more for how your code is for another team member to look at, where we can teach, things like that."
:v: "Alright it could be a good excuse to try out .Net"

submits assignment

:niggly: "Sorry, we won't be going ahead. We liked your class modelling and you had good test coverage, overall code layout was also good - but you could have used LINQ for some things, should have used DI, and core 2.1 has lifecyle management you could used (link to obscure unofficial blog post), we also wanted to see a three layer architecture for this tiny console app"

I'm probably not going to stop doing takehomes but I sure am going to treat "we hire for talent and attitude not language skills" as a straight up lie.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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had an architectural whiteboard today that was just building data plumbing between a bunch of 3rd party REST APIs

very much like actual work so it ruled imo

edit: the hardest part was realising they weren't trying to trick me with their questions lol

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Congrats Achmed!

Was it a lot of algo whiteboards?

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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It's very cool when companies tell you that you did great on the technical interview then ghost you for weeks. Great process this.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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hobbesmaster posted:

ignoring the rest how is 80k not specific

The instructions aren't as clear as they think.

They mean: 'For example "80k" or "80-90k" are specific within the criteria and will be accepted. Answers of "open", "negotiable", or "industry standard" are not specific.'

loving hostile wording regardless though gently caress them.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Well after a shitload of interviews since December it looks like I've finally got the figgies.

Going to be very nervous until my actual start date. This thread helped a lot tbh. Ty all.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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How loving good does it feel to be served up a problem you've already practiced though?

Spend a couple nights on hacker rank or code kata or whatever a month and your odds of looking like a guru next year go way up.

I had an interview where the main tech test was straight out of the Stanford CS interview practice sheets

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Nice, sounds like a good step up :yotj:

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Rex-Goliath posted:

don’t undersell this. i’ll take someone who has decent tech chops who i can actually stand being around over a hotshot jackass any day

This is my attitude and also the attitude of every boss I've had that didn't suck.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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qhat posted:

Sounds like a great way for your employer to argue that basically Everything is your responsibility and deny you a pay raise when your job diverges from what you were initially hired to do.

Even specific job descriptions I've had come with "other duties as required" or "and other tasks within your capabilities as a skilled engineer" tacked on.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Kilometres Davis posted:

"within your capabilities as a skilled engineer"

I'd love to say "jokes on them" here but really I've pushed back on doing everything all of once in a decade so the joke is on me

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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I don't mind doing overtime when I feel like it or I consider something important. Mandatory overtime loving sucks though. At least when it's my choice (or there's enough grey area for me to have that illusion) I feel like a good boy overachiever and can forgive myself the slower periods. When its mandated for everyone its just more drudgery.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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Shaggar posted:

it makes the recruiter look bad if a bunch of randos can do the same thing for less money

it's this

Rex-Goliath posted:

lol that’s a pretty lovely lie the more i think about it

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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If you know their (actual) range saying a higher number to anchor the conversation to their highest end to start with is better than letting them say the low end of the range and working up.

I would not just say whatever you think the market rate is though, go higher if you're opening.

This probably goes without saying at this point but you need to be okay with not getting the job to negotiate well.

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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raminasi posted:

a third-party recruiter is trying to place me at the company that already employs me, this feels like some kind of milestone

What sort of comp are they offering?

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Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


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there were a bunch of twitter posts earlier this year from ex-microsoft people that basically amounted to "there is a culture of gaslighting employees during reviews amongst management"

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