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That's a really good OP Just  that we have SC threads going back 7 years
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Pixelate posted:One of the best Cryengine-in-spaaaace struggles is the 'our ships are underwater!' thing. quote:MA: Oh this is a great story. So this happened roughly two years ago before we even launched Arena Commander. And we had our physics programmer John Pritchett, he flew out from Kansas, and we’re working with him trying to get Arena Commander 1 out. Everything was going … sort of working well, and then all of a sudden our ships just started acting weird: it would fly but it would go the wrong way and then you would just stop. Its definitely still happening lmao
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Sep 6, 2019 17:37
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Quavers posted:
I love the little escort ships implying that you're gonna be definitely leading fleets with this thing and other people are gonna follow you around and hang near your impressive massive ship Meanwhile none of these mechanics work in-game remotely >has quarters for the biggest crews there are no crews >good at exploring there's nothing to explore E: 72 months of insurance what the gently caress, they're seriously selling limited time of insurance? HAHAHAHAHAHA oh man I'm behind on my SC grifts
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Sep 6, 2019 17:49
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New space ship available for everyone to buy 
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Dementropy posted:https://twitter.com/890Jump/status/1170012322666033152 Way to miss the entire point of Great Gasby guys
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Sep 6, 2019 17:55
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 god bless you Bootcha
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Sep 6, 2019 17:58
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MedicineHut posted:Forget about 3.7 or any other 3.X, Absolute snake oil salesmen right here
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Sep 6, 2019 18:02
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RBA Starblade posted:And why do they have jpg insurance can your 1000 thing explode immediately and you lose it ingame forever? Rotten Red Rod posted:Isn't there official word from CIG that Insurance basically does nothing? Its real uncertain. I don't think anybody at CIG has definitively decided what insurance does or if it exists, because this game isn't designed. There is no design. Its just words thrown out to attract people, with zero real intent to actually design or balance any of this. This is so unbelievably shady. Like, as if selling spaceship jpgs wasn't bad enough, these guys are in a race to the bottom to do the most obviously underhanded poo poo imaginable. At this point I think its like those Nigerian scams where they say "I'm a Nigerian Prince" on purpose because they don't want anybody with half a brain responding. If you have half a brain, you're just going to cause CIG problems with your eventual requests for refunds and the like. No, at this point CIG is specifically targeting morons. All of their marketing is designed to ONLY appeal to morons, so they can focus all their time on grifting the absolute easiest people to grift.
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Sep 6, 2019 18:06
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Also just the absolute balls on them to sell something time-limited to 72-months The implication there is that you'll buy your ship and then play it for SIX YEARS to the point where the insurance runs out and you have to buy it again. If you're not fantasizing about players spending 6 years in a single video game, then why on earth would you limit it to 72-months? Just say "unlimited" or "lifetime insurance" Just, god drat these people. Can you imagine if Blizzard tried to sell people 6-year subscriptions to WoW in alpha? (course even that wouldn't be the same, it'd have to be a $900 mount that only lasts 6 years lmao)
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Sep 6, 2019 18:11
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Rotten Red Rod posted:From what I'm reading - and this is second hand from the SC subreddit, not direct form CIG - without insurance, if you lose your ship, you'll have to pay an ingame money penalty fee to get it back. If you have insurance you don't. I've also seen lots of people suggesting that ships should have a cooldown when destroyed but insurance means you skip the cooldown? Which is at least less of a loving ripoff The best part is all the goons suggesting this is necessary in order to have people to crew ships. Because everybody who cares about SC already owns 20 large ships, nobody's going to want to just be Crewman Bob on someone else's ship. So how do you crew a large ship? Well, we force them to crew other ships after theirs gets blown up! Which means that after spending $900 on a video game space ship, it'll get blown up and you'll be back at square 1 having to swab the poop deck on someone else's $900 ship. Just lmao.
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Sep 6, 2019 18:13
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trucutru posted:It's in-game years, not real years. How long in reality is an in-game year you ask? nobody knows, not even the developers. the aristocrats! Hahahahahaha They need to hire you 
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Sep 6, 2019 20:05
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trucutru posted:Straight from the bear's mouth Oh by game time I thought you meant they were going to say "yeah 6 years, but its BTAK years" or some poo poo which is actually like 1 IRL Earth Year. But you're saying its game time spent playing? That's....  That's a lot of play time.But he says "game time not play time" which contradicts himself... wtf Roberts do you even know how this works? "Its not real life time, its game time" what?! WHAT? "Of course if you play for 3 months, you'll have to keep up your insurance, just like in the real world" oh gently caress offffff Chris, this is a videogame Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 20:30
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trucutru posted:He's (on purpose IMO) conflating in-game time with game time (without the in-) to present it as a good thing. The first is the time in-game where a day lasts half an hour so 3 months of insurance means some hours of actual game time. If its 6 years of in-game time, that's a lot. But if its 6-years of Stanton which is actually like "100 hours of in-game time" then yeah, that's some seriously deceptive bullshit.
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Sep 6, 2019 20:56
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trucutru posted:In-game means precisely that, the time as measured inside the game. Not real-life time, which is game or play time. Sure, but that's not proof that in-game-time isn't matching real-life time. Most MMOs the server ticks away at real life time, although the in-game clock has some multiplier, so an hour is only 10 minutes or whatever. Until they announce such a thing, all of this is  and pretending it isn't is shady as helltrucutru posted:lol, deceptive bullshit? in my Star Citizen!?  I'm not expressing shock. How else can we discuss these things? Comeon man I've been in this thread for years.
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Sep 6, 2019 21:10
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UnknownTarget posted:I'd like to offer another reason why Chris isn't finishing the game: fear. There's that thing where people will work on something forever or always say "oh I could do X if I put my mind to it, if I wanted to" but never actually follow through because they're afraid of failing and of being judged. Right now there is no vision. And he knows it. He can't release the game because it isn't remotely what he's promised, there is no game, and he doesn't know how to make the game. So its just spinning wheels, collecting money, and lying.
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Sep 6, 2019 21:12
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Savy Saracen salad posted:The question is how can someone that insane have that much money to throw around on a toy?!?!?! I would love to know... drat If I had 50k to spare I would have dropped out of work and taken months to travel the world and stay in the most luxurious intercontinental hotels and enjoy the high life and amazing scenery and 5 star food etc.... !!!! I would have spoilt myself like a king with that money! My guess is trust fund kid.
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Sep 6, 2019 22:28
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:'use of Gatsby references' Its pretty telling in their own ad they go "what's the point of this? not much, but status! You're the guy who spent tons of money on a big yacht! Also... its a good base for orgs to meet up on? Keeps everybody fed!" They realize its just a giant empty ship that doesn't make sense in the game, but they'll sell it to some people just to be bigger than everybody else, plus every org will feel like they need to band together to buy one. Lmao at the "keeps everybody fed and watered" though, the idea that this game will actually work where you need food and drink and that'll not be a hellish nightmare of maintenance is pretty hilarious. I mean just leave out all the other features, just imagine EVE online but you have to buy food and drink and use the bathroom every 5 minutes.
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Sep 7, 2019 04:57
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Jesus... In this case Star Citizen may have saved that woman from her husband before they tied the knot.
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Sep 7, 2019 22:34
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skeletors_condom posted:Alt-righters don't talk about pipelines and "the BDSSE." They are not into to some nerdy video game BS. There is no way you can say that for all alt-righters and there's absolutely no way that's true. Look at the pictures of the people who marched in Charlottesville. There were definitely some nerds in that group. Angry, racist, misogynistic nerds. There's lots of those too.
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Sep 8, 2019 04:23
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There is nothing to be gained from a no true scotsman argument about "real libertarians" comeon this is literally a fallacy
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Sep 8, 2019 04:27
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free hubcaps posted:idk if it’s been posted itt but the saddest/most infuriating star citizen thing I’ve seen was a cap of a forums post where the poster was clearly having a problem with impulse control/addiction to buying spaceship jpegs and I think said something about it seriously affecting his finances, it seemed kind of like a cry for help and the first loving reply was a mod or some other shill telling him to drown his sorrows by buying more spaceship jpegs. There's so many red flags, its definitely a cult at this point.
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Sep 8, 2019 07:42
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"Whole game is empty like this" "It'll help when they add gameplay mechanics"
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Sep 8, 2019 19:46
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"I am extremely bitter that people who didn't wait 4 and a half years like I did can dictate what the role of this ship, which I spent hours researching and digging into, is." It begins  This is the inevitable consequence of the business model of SC. The fans will tear each other apart as anything in the game actually takes shape, because they all want their own particular vision and its incompatible with what other people want from the game. Also the people who spent literal thousands of dollars 4-6 years ago are going to see people show up late to the party and get bigger, better, shinier things than they did for the same money. "I will never forgive people for taking away my superyacht dreams in sc and replacing them with a loving Carnival Cruise ship"
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Sep 8, 2019 20:21
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Again, it's just too funny that the citizens' dreamt-of "superyacht" is designed as a flying hotel that they have to work as the host of, not a billionaire chariot they are the master of. And it can only hold 10 people in 5 suites despite all the space for parties...! GTA Online already added superyachts to sell to whales years ago anyways. And they're boring because there's no real gameplay you can do with them. You just fart on your boat and go "whoo I'm rich" and then 10 minutes later you boat back to the mainland so you can interact with other human beings and have fun.
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Sep 8, 2019 20:30
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Lmao, they have to have go/no-go meetings about releasing updates to an early alpha They've completely hamstrung their own ability to produce game content with all the things they've promised, the backers are the customers and the alpha is the product, but of course jpgs and hopes and dreams are the real product.
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Sep 8, 2019 21:10
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alf_pogs posted:is this the fourth or fifth megathread about the incredbile cultural experience of being grifted by star citizen? According to the OP its the 8th that's how long this has gone on
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Sep 8, 2019 23:49
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free hubcaps posted:what are the little grey ships next to the forums names, do they show what you’ve bought custom upvote and downvote buttons
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Sep 9, 2019 02:38
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RabbitWizard posted:I'm trying to explain what these cool things do for the noobs in this thread: The key detail is that its all bullshit smoke and mirrors. "SSOCS" is just "making a server that isn't completely stupid and inappropriate for an mmo" None of this is new or groundbreaking. Its marketing spin for basic poo poo anybody would be expected to do when making a game.
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Sep 9, 2019 19:33
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Anticheese posted:Reinventing basic industry stuff nobody else bothers to make any fuss about, plus burning through a ton of money to deliver underwhelming and poorly finished goods that are designed to look nice from the outside despite production being rotten? Tesla made cars that do work. Chris is more like DeLorean. Built everything out of the wrong materials, wasted tons of money, and nobody wants one except nerds holding onto dreams.
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Sep 9, 2019 19:54
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eonwe posted:whats this game about Hopes, Dreams, and Lies. The "Sunk Cost Galaxy" video linked in the OP is extremely good at getting up to speed on this scam.
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Sep 9, 2019 23:52
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What's the actual retail price of those
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Sep 10, 2019 00:23
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Jonny Shiloh posted:25. Ship station docking? Erm no, probably not. Uhh, what do you think this is??? World war 3? We all know military tactics were frozen in the 20th century and never changed. In space you have to land your ship on top of a landing deck and walk to the dock! How else does your boyfriend get to push your charred corpse off the landing pad with a space tractor???
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Sep 10, 2019 20:24
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Hav posted:But in Tinder now, I can swipe. I love that "we're gonna cache some data" gets a unique name and fanfare like its next level tech. "Oh sure you have ray tracing, but do you have... query caches??" ".... yes? That's loving basic."
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Sep 10, 2019 20:28
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Agony Aunt posted:Thing is, what they mean by vertical slice is probably different from what is usually meant by it. As usual, CIG is basically LARPing as a game company, using words other game companies use when making progress to imply they too are making progress. But there's no "beta police" to call you out on it. Ideally this would all be fraud but good luck proving so in court.
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Sep 10, 2019 20:30
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Lmao fortnight is free to play Also they didn't charge even $1 before the game was done. You can't even begin to compare SC to that.
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Sep 11, 2019 00:12
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Popete posted:just lol if CIG is trying to brand instruction cache in commercial CPUs as a feature. What next they're going to "invent" dcache? We've invented pipelining! Instructions are now buffered into the CPU! 10 years from now, they'll invent Hyper Threading.
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Sep 11, 2019 00:14
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Holy poo poo, they are really, really pushing this ship. I think Chris has struck a gold mine. Get ready for this game to be nothing but luxury ship after luxury ship from now on. They have to keep one-upping themselves to get the old fans to buy more and also buy for more money since they have fewer true believers than they used to. So the aircraft carrier ship is coming soon.
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Sep 11, 2019 03:32
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Star Citizens have to make a huge deal about being able to walk around because its literally the only thing that SC does that Elite Dangerous and EVE Online don't do. Of course, it (EVE even does a little bit but only a tiny bit)
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Sep 11, 2019 03:44
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Scruffpuff posted:Very few people care about being the commando that flies the ship and also has space legs and the absolutely project-destroying conceit that everything has to be real. There's nothing wrong with having your NPC being on a space station, walking up to an image that represents your "ship" and getting a few seconds of a loading screen while the game loads up the space flight portions. It's the absolutely pathological insistence on CIG's part that the FPS portion, the player avatar, AND the ships have to exist perfectly in the same game space that torpedoed this project from day one, and the virtual impossibility (and, of course, the utter pointlessness) of making this work is one of the biggest reasons we're where we are today. Yeah, anybody who does want that doesn't actually want that they just haven't imagined the consequences. Its like when EVE tried to combine DUST the FPS game with EVE. Even having them segregated to planets that the ships couldn't go to, just having them in the same universe hosed up the design of both and made their interaction horrible until they pulled the plug. Only a few ARMA die-hard weirdos want to actually have to spend 20 minutes riding an APC into battle, only to get shot when they get out and have to embark on another 20 minute ride to get some more action. The vast majority of gamers absolutely do NOT want that. They want fast action. They want fair matchmaking. You CANNOT have those things in the world that CIG has dreamed up. Matchmaking is literally impossible. Its just griefing as far as the eye can see.
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Sep 11, 2019 04:02
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skeletors_condom posted:3.5 years They're still reworking things. Development has yet to actually begin  checkmateOh wait, that means the game will never be out
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Dementropy posted:
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