[Pop Culture] the theatrical cut removes the scene that sets up the orc race war

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BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

https://twitter.com/KamenRiderUno/status/1180221070328156164?s=19

# ¿ Oct 4, 2019 21:43

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 18:45

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

1994 Toyota Celica posted:

you know you can just not read the trash papers dickeye

nobody's even paying you to

I read 500 issues of 2000ad last year, do you think those were all good

I have to know something to tell you why it's bad properly, and I can't know a comic without reading it. Not really anyway. It's why I don't delve too deep into talking about ie walking dead or spawn or whatever, I haven't read enough to talk about them knowledgably

Also this comic is astoundingly bad and I have to see how much worse it gets

I clipped out cap going "how can I fight my own government" despite a history of doing just that and Natasha Badski reminding everyone that Russia controls the president

# ¿ Oct 4, 2019 21:54

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Bro Dad posted:

i would be posting bits from tnc's black panther run but its too boring to make fun of

Mostly his cap run is just really bad but every issue has like one or two pages where he flies his lib flag high

# ¿ Oct 4, 2019 22:55

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Squizzle posted:

jack landors should have stolen his morpher when he went to do socially responsible work instead of returning it to the space police

This is a joke for you and me and nobody else

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 15:17

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Percelus posted:

i remember i saw some famous artist speak at mason gross instead of regular class when i took a 101 course for fun and the art kids in the audience kept trying to ask the most pretentious questions and she wasn't having it but instead talked about how pulp trash like dick tracey inspired her and that people from the midwest drink from the bottom of the barrel culturally and enjoy it

sometimes you just gotta consume the garbage, it's more fun to talk about anyway

e- heck i'd argue refusing to consume trash media of any kind is absolutely a bougie affectation that reflects a disdain for the common man and their "lowbrow" tastes. well crafted high art serves an important function but there is only so much of it people can take in before needing some good old fashioned shlock

I'll consumw trash media that's enjoyable but I'm not going to eat a dog turd just because idiots like it

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 15:19

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

The original blade movie is fantastic trash

The mcu movies are just poo poo

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 15:43

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Equeen posted:

It also had much better politics: eat the rich instead of making them heroes.

Also the rich were a cabal of immortal parasites who fed off the lesser people

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 15:47

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

MrFlibble posted:

MCU films are trash but so are art films.

I think its silly to get offended but the reasons for doing so aren't bad - if some fart huffing pedophile defender says the stuff you enjoy isn't real its not that you're defending the honour of your entertainment its that you rightly perceive that this upper class poo poo bag is looking down his nose at you.

Did you read what he said because he's right

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 16:46

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Like his argument isn't they're bad because the Poors and the Stupids like them his argument is they're bland bullshit made with an eye to snagging as many dollars as possible rather than being someone's actual artistic vision

And he's right

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 16:48

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

MrFlibble posted:

Millionaires aren't right until they're dead.

Well this is a productive discussion

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 16:56

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

MrFlibble posted:

I agree that the MCU films are products designed to make the biggest amount of money possible. I just think that maybe they wouldn't be like that if we didn't live in a society that was designed to encourage that sort of mindset and also that maybe a millionaire isn't the best person to be talking about it and also gently caress him.

I meant "heartbreaking, worst person" etc is a meme for a reason

Being a millionaire can be immoral and he can be right about how this is mass produced bullshit with no artistic value

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 17:06

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Like you're not even arguing with his ideas you're just mad that he said them

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 17:07

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

MrFlibble posted:

Well, sure. Its value is the bread and circuses distraction from society collapsing, which I agree isn't artistic.

I don't care for the idea that a director is the sole producer of art with regards to cinema and I think that dismissing the work of the actors and film crew is bullshit even if the ideas he is expressing are correct. I think the term art is bullshit in general because theres no objective way to define it with regards to this conversation because every loving film funded by a major corporation is intended to make a profit but that doesn't mean that the people working on them aren't trying to say something.

Lmao ok what's your favorite iron man

# ¿ Oct 5, 2019 17:26

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

I want a Batman movie where he fucks and kills other billionaires and at the end of the movie he tops himself

# ¿ Oct 6, 2019 02:00

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

mysterious frankie posted:

The politics of any comic book property is gonna be suss just because it's by nature going to be a product of the most industry conforming Hollywood lifers so, at best, it's gonna be the product of some twerpy neolib who writes a story that tries to wrestle with the grim reality that there are people to the left of them by writing said lefties as villains that make some cool speeches before getting outed as insincere or crazy, or it's gonna be some mental grimdark poo poo written by a conservative that's so slow action dinosaur brained that they haven't realized they stopped being punk 20 years ago and are well on their way to being straight up fascist.

This isn't remotely true lmao

# ¿ Oct 6, 2019 20:38

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Like unless you mean movies and poo poo which absolutely but there's plenty of dudes that get on books that the company doesn't give a poo poo about and go batshit with it and when the company realizes they're arguing for murdering Jeff bezos it's too late because the book is popular

# ¿ Oct 6, 2019 20:42

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

KomradeX posted:

What book did this?

i mean im exaggerating but mark russell has made an ok career out of doing blatant leftist propaganda and getting away with it because he does it on books dc doesnt pay any attention to

# ¿ Oct 6, 2019 23:38

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

shazam was the first decent comic book movie in years because it felt like a dude went what if i did big but he could fly and it was about family

and then he made that movie

and it was fine, i enjoyed it infinitely more than every designed by committee marvel movie

# ¿ Oct 6, 2019 23:40

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Freaking Crumbum posted:

this was the worst joker because phoenix wasn't allowed to be the joker (except for like 3 minutes at the very end of the film). phoenix is "arthur fleck" for the majority of the run-time and it's another reason why it doesn't make sense to even act like it's telling a story about the same character as batman's nemesis

IMO the movie should have started right around the time he manages to defeat the two cops on the subway and then gone from there. let it open with him accomplishing complete anarchy in gotham and then explore what he does with it and let him have fun being a scenery chewing bad guy. phoenix has to play this psychologically damaged person that has been abused and mistreated his whole life, and hopefully that wins him an oscar or whatever, but it didn't look very fun to play and it sure as poo poo wasn't fun to watch.

also it's heavily implied that he kills one child right towards the end, so they're already crossed that bridge with this film.

edit: the thing i preferred about ledger's joker (even over nicholson's) was that they didn't even bother to give ledger a backstory. it doesn't matter for the joker to be an effective villain (and IMO giving him relatable, sympathetic motivations completely undermines what kind of villain he's supposed to represent). just let him be a deranged mad man with plans and ambitions that only kind of make sense to logical scrutiny and then turn him loose against the symbolic manifestation of fascist jackboots

Someone on here made the argument that the next modern timeline movie with the joker should treat this, suicide squad, and dark Knight as equally true, do the whole multiple choice history thing like killing joke and it's not a terrible idea

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 00:23

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Dr. Killjoy posted:

this was pretty much Batman: White Knight which explicitly tries to position Joker as a leftist hero after Batman beats him half to death after some harmless radikewl skateboarding shenanigans (yes the Joker shreds in this Elseworld story). It’s also not good and is ruined by assuaging to police and good billionaires.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh the end of the story is Batman being like yeah actually this is all loving bullshit and a failure and the person who did the most good for this city was the man who turned into a killer clown and was being manipulated by his ex

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 00:24

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

The part where joker as jack Napier runs for mayor on "Batman is a gently caress and the cops enable him and the poor foot the bill" fuckin rippppppped

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 00:25

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Dr. Killjoy posted:

oh yeah I forgot the bits of it that were fanboy pandering like there being two Harley Quinns, the "real" original one and a "fake" bimbo who's modeled on her current design. And all the tedious BTAS references!

i liked the harely thing because i fuckin loathe modern harley and how everything downplays the absolutely horrific nature of her relationship with joker, so "actually harely left and hes just too fuckin crazy to realize he kidnapped some other girl" worked for me

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 01:27

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Atrocious Joe posted:

Batman was created in 1939, which was a time when socialist and communist movements were far stronger than they are today. I don't think blaming the time period of the character's creation is the reason the character sucks in a lot of stuff.

The 1970s O'Neil/Adams runs, 1980s Frank Miller run, and The Killing Joke probably cemented Batman being a monster. They combined a higher quality product with a "serious" tone. It's been a while since I read them, so they may be more nuanced than I really remember. They definitely had trash imitators and successors that basically just reproduced straight fash Batman stories though. Before all that he was a goofy rich guy fighting goofy villains.

And he's moved back in that direction over the last decade or so in large part thanks to Morrison going "I thought it was hosed up to write about a rich man beating the poo poo out of the poor" and unilaterally not doing that anymore

It's also worth noting that in his war on crime Bruce Wayne spends at least as much of his infinite money on creating charities to help people in poverty as he does on being Batman, and employs a lot of guys at Wayne * that used to be henchmen

Because he knows that the way to really beat crime is to make it so nobody has to do crime to survive

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 10:18

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

But also I just enjoy Batman so everything I say about him should be taken with a handfil of salt it's not like he's Dredd

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 10:20

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

KomradeX posted:

Remember when Batman had a villain in the early 2000s that was just a teenaged anarchist

Created by Alan "humor is bad for Dredd because it detracts from the message that fascism is bad" Grant

You know

Inarguably the second most important guy to work on the character

# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 20:19

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Weird way to spell Scott Tenorman

But really any episode that's just kids being assholes and everything getting out of hand (or adults being idiots and everything getting out of hand) I'd probably fine, it's when they try to have a point or reference pop culture that it falls apart

# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 00:05

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Like the one where everyone decides to ignore Cartman but th h forget to tell butters so they think Cartman is dead and only butters can see him and they're making fruit baskets to atone for csrtmans many sins is wonderful

# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 00:06

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Echo Chamber posted:

I know they backpedaled on manbearpig but the damage with that has been done. (Al Gore is still bad though for mostly unrelated reasons...)

I still kind of view Trey and Matt as a lesser evil than Seth MacFarlane.

Seth MacFarlane is clearly at a point where he hates family Guy and only does it because it gives him the money and the pull with fox to do whatever other dumb bullshit he wants to do, like his live action TNG fanfic show

# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 20:46

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Echo Chamber posted:

He made lazy, edgelord money for decades and keeps shoving himself down everyone's throat.

He's essentially Bill Maher in the "be a racist edgelord but always flatter liberal power to build your insufferable brand" kind of way. This is probably why I find him more loathsome than Trey and Matt.

gently caress Seth MacFarlane. He's not "one of the good ones".

I didn't say he was a good one at all, he loving sucks, I just think he hates that he's permanently hitched to a thing that sucks even for him

# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 21:00

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

I'm on record as saying the second thing I do with a time machine is make sure he catches his flight from Boston to NY

# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 21:01

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Percelus posted:

trey and matt have garbage politics and are incredibly insufferable whenever they get even a little preachy but they are legit funny and talented at times which is more than anyone can say about macfarlane

The South Park movie is fuckin great

# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 21:06

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

MizPiz posted:

Hot take: The left's unwillingness to embrace nu-metal is among the strongest pieces of evidence that they care more about personal image than actually working for structural change.

I still listen to ska, try again

# ¿ Oct 12, 2019 02:26

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

CharlestheHammer posted:

man who cares.

that poo poo only matters to dumb culture warrior idiots

I mean it's the pop culture thread

# ¿ Oct 13, 2019 23:02

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Forceholy posted:

Yeah. It's one thing to like superhero movies. It's another to think Marvel Movie #3234 will be remembered in 20 years. Remember when Sam Raini directed Spiderman? No, you don't, and the cultural zeitgeist will forget these cookie cutter movies as well.

Also, the whole question of nerd identity and the novelty of the "new".

Raimi Spidey was good though

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 14:23

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Serf posted:

sam raimi made the second best comic book movie in the form of spider-man 2

The first best is Dredd 2012

Three is Road to Perdition

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 14:24

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Serf posted:

interesting list

I just like reminding people that road to Perdition and History of Violence were comics

History of Violence was by John Wagner!

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 14:32

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Some Guy TT posted:

wow has it really been that long since the new judge dredd

still amazes me that they just went and sold all their super expensive costumes before they got a hold of the secondary distribution revenue cant decide whether the producer for that project was just an idiot or deliberately trying to rip them off because they absolutely did not need to do that and could have easily made a sequel if they had realized that box office take was a completely meaningless metric for that kind of project

They're still allegedly working on the show but everyone's been quiet about it for a bit

But Rob Williams, one of the best modern Dredd guys and head writer for the show, has been relatively quiet wrt output in the prog lately so who knows

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 14:34

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

KomradeX posted:

That's what gets me, is I've asked a few people if they really think any of the Marvel movies come even close to being able to look into the eye of Goodfellas, Casino, or Raging Bull. And they always say it's an unfair comparison, which is exactly what Scorcese is saying. Witch you would think they'd realize, but no. So I've just started comparing them to other great pop culture movies. Like are any I'd the Marvel movies as good as Raiders of the Lost Ark, or what I think might be the best Marvel movie Winter Solider, is even close to being a better super spy movie than Goldeneye?

GoldenEye sucks tho

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 15:19

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Frog Act posted:

I saw "Ready or Not" with my girlfriend last weekend and it does a pretty good job portraying the very rich as both hopelessly out of touch and literally in league with satan. expected it to be bad and ended up enjoying it a good amount, particularly the deadpan humor and the way the rich family treated the help as disposable

not great or super memorable but it's uncommon to go see a horror movie at the discount theater and come away having liked it

If you like ready or not I believe it's by the same collective who made Devils Due, one of the shorts in the first VHS, and parts of Southbound. They're real good.

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 15:20

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 18:45

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

I actually really like the casino Royale 2000whatever version but yeah from Russia with love is the series high point

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 15:48

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