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herhehejhrekjashsd posted:i suppose if your whole family has a strange jealousy and classist rage issue you raise some good points.
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had a good day in da SOUTH checking for turkey sign on 300 acres of woods. tomorrow i might go 4 wheeling in my jeep an tear some poo poo up. south still owns bones.
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Mar 8, 2016 02:44
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Much obliged!
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:They ate the food and kept the valuables to sell. It is a historical fact that sherman participated (as a general, a leader) in the Native American genocide. This is not like his march to the sea where there's plausible deniability. You love a man who killed thousands of innocents. No matter what else he did, no matter the good his actions brought about, the fact that he killed thousands of innocent people ruins him as a good man, forever. You like him because you have an intense hate toward the south and because you had little idea the severity of his devastation or that he was a butcher in the Indian Wars. No one cares about his involvement in the indian wars because it wasn't a notable deviation for the times. Being one of the literally two or three times that the US has had total war waged upon it is a deviation not just from his time, but from all of America's time. He stands out as the man that laid the torch to US holdings in order to stop the traitors as swiftly as he could, no one else has done that. Tons of people have killed, abused, and forcibly evicted native americans.
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vols bitch posted:had a good day in da SOUTH checking for turkey sign on 300 acres of woods. tomorrow i might go 4 wheeling in my jeep an tear some poo poo up. south still owns bones. Yeah I did that in the north too. Are you around knoxville? Can I come next time? I'm a michigan refugee.
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Mar 8, 2016 11:14
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All I know is Sherman did his thing, and now here I sit with high speed internet and a phone I can watch TV on. Say what you want about his methods, but you can't argue with the results.
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Mar 8, 2016 11:23
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galahan posted:Yeah I did that in the north too. Are you around knoxville? Can I come next time? im an hour north of knoxville. I only accept yoopers
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Mar 8, 2016 14:44
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Theres roughly 10 billion alternate histories where the germans won WW2. Are there any books/films/games in which the confederates won the civil war?
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Theres roughly 10 billion alternate histories where the germans won WW2. yeah ive seen them at the used book store lol
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Mar 8, 2016 15:17
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Theres roughly 10 billion alternate histories where the germans won WW2. plenty, but even those don't feature the confederacy conquering the union. they just kinda quit and then the confederacy somehow lasts as an independent country. i dont think they even turn into a third world shithole most of the time, despite the fact that the south is already halfway there despite being propped up by states with functional economies.
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Mar 8, 2016 15:20
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:Even the children and the women and the elderly? Even those who voted against succession and opposed slavery? They were all caught up in shermans conflagration same as the evil slave holders. If they really were against slavery the would have left for the union but they didn't so i'm glad they died painful deaths
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Mar 8, 2016 15:27
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FoolyCharged posted:No one cares about his involvement in the indian wars because it wasn't a notable deviation for the times. Being one of the literally two or three times that the US has had total war waged upon it is a deviation not just from his time, but from all of America's time. He stands out as the man that laid the torch to terrorist holdings in order to stop the terrorists as swiftly as he could, no one else has done that. Tons of people have killed, abused, and forcibly evicted native americans. ftfy
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Mar 8, 2016 15:29
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Theres roughly 10 billion alternate histories where the germans won WW2. Confederate States of America is mockumentary based on historic writings and ideas of the time. It's tongue in cheek but I think is more accurate that we'd like to think
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Mar 8, 2016 16:17
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The south lost the war because they were too busy loving sheep to learn how to read
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Mar 8, 2016 16:19
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Theres roughly 10 billion alternate histories where the germans won WW2. Harry Turtledove wrote a poo poo ton of south won the civil war books. He also wrote books about aliens invading in the middle of WWII, to give you an idea of the quality.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Theres roughly 10 billion alternate histories where the germans won WW2. yeah it's its own literary subgenre former presidential candidate newton leroy "newt" gingrich wrote several himself
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They had no industry and had to form a government out of nothing in like a year. On top of that they put Jefferson Davis in charge and he was basically retarded. It is cool that he put on his wife's dress when he was running away though.
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comes along bort posted:yeah it's its own literary subgenre tbf they're all pretty much "hey what would've happened if pickett's charge wasn't a total disaster?" which is kind of boring because a) who cares and b) there's no way the south could've waged a protracted offensive campaign in the north
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Hatebag posted:They had no industry and had to form a government out of nothing in like a year. On top of that they put Jefferson Davis in charge and he was basically retarded. It is cool that he put on his wife's dress when he was running away though. a lot is made out of jeff davis not being a great leader but the actual confederate soldiers deserve a lot of the praise for losing a 10%+ desertion rate, and countless stories of rank and file soldiers totally halfassing the job because they didn't really believe in the cause and were forced into service, especially after 1862. i mean the war couldn't be lost without their valiant lack of effort
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Mar 8, 2016 20:24
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The gently caress is happening in this godforsaken Thread? It has perturbed General Grant and angered General Meade. 
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Mar 8, 2016 20:34
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Since Sherman gets a pass for believing native Americans were less then human and literally butchering thousands of them like cattle, shouldn't confederates get a pass for believing Africans are less then human and enslaving them?
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Like I don't get how "it was a different time" doesn't also excuse slavery.
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Mar 9, 2016 01:53
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Meade was almost as lovely as jeff davis.
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Like I don't get how "it was a different time" doesn't also excuse slavery. It does, just not by 1860 when the rest of the civilized world realized it was incredibly lovely.
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I'm glad, OP.
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Since Sherman gets a pass for believing native Americans were less then human and literally butchering thousands of them like cattle, shouldn't confederates get a pass for believing Africans are less then human and enslaving them? The victor gets to write the history. The loser suffers in disgraceful defeat for all eternity.
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GORILLA BASTARD posted:The victor gets to write the history which is why the lost cause narrative became so commonplace
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GORILLA BASTARD posted:The victor gets to write the history Anyone who isn't dead and can write gets a shot at it.
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Mar 9, 2016 15:41
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What anime would Sherman have liked if he were alive today?
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Mar 9, 2016 15:52
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Dreddout posted:What anime would Sherman have liked if he were alive today?
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jBrereton posted:Untrue, think of all the Americans who have written about Vietnam or the Germans who have written about WW2. It just helps that the winners don't have to worry quite so much about being indicted for war crimes.
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Mar 9, 2016 15:57
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jBrereton posted:All of it. However just some of his causes were, he was one of history's monsters, and knew it himself, which is why he nearly committed suicide at the start of the Civil War. Cool! So Kill la Kill?
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Mar 9, 2016 15:58
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Dreddout posted:Cool! So Kill la Kill? He'd probably have repurposed some slave manacles into replicas of goku's training weights from Dragonball. Like he'd be having a bayonet fight with some injuns in the 1880s and they'd be having trouble keeping up, and all of a sudden one of his lieutenants would smirk and say "TAKE OFF THE WEIGHTS, CUMPU-SAN". Boom, next-level Sherman.
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Bitter Mushroom posted:The South was in no position to wage a total modern war when it was viciously attacked by the United States. They were a rural people, beautiful and artistic, who leaved out their days in peaceful idylls, holding cotillions and hootanannys. By contrast the citizens of the United States lived in soot blackened cities, slaving away each day in a factory and leading a horrible life that stunted their growth physically and culturally. If you don't like it you can 
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FoolyCharged posted:It does, just not by 1860 when the rest of the civilized world realized it was incredibly lovely. this is a fair point vis a vis indigenous peoples because lol boy howdy were Europeans genociding the gently caress outta them in 1860 still
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FoolyCharged posted:No one cares about his involvement in the indian wars because it wasn't a notable deviation for the times. Dr. Gene Dango MD fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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FoolyCharged posted:It does, just not by 1860 when the rest of the civilized world realized it was incredibly lovely. No one had realized anything. The other European powers had just moved onto more modern forms of genocide. The Southern aristocracy's greatest crime in the eyes of the rest of the world was failing to exploit people in a suitably modern way.
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:Rounding up jews was not a notable deviation for germany once upon a time, but no one excuses that. So? Who cares if it wasn't a devation "for germany"? Everyone in the world had concentration camps yet we don't give two hoots about the american ones. The german ones defied the global norm by being expressly designed to exterminate innocent members of the population. It's like how nobody cares about sheman killing native ameicans because 1860 was in the height of colonialism and everyone under the sun had colonies were they murdered and abused the natives for profit.
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The German ones didn't defy the norm by exterminating innocent people; that was exactly the norm. The holocaust was part of a larger case of Germany treating Europeans the same way all the European powers had been treating the rest of the world for centuries.
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