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Ride The Gravitron: May 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

In love that the first excuse millenials throw out is "well I got 100k in debt but my water color degree hasn't landed me a job yet" like that is some how not their fault.

Like at the age of 18 the government forced the debt on his credit and shoved the degree in his hand. Yup sure wasn't those 4 years straight of you making poo poo decisions.

# ? May 5, 2016 17:57

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In love that the first excuse millenials throw out is "well I got 100k in debt but my water color degree hasn't landed me a job yet" like that is some how not their fault.

Like at the age of 18 the government forced the debt on his credit and shoved the degree in his hand. Yup sure wasn't those 4 years straight of you making poo poo decisions.

So far this is the most correct statement itt

# ? May 5, 2016 18:06

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

How many STEM jobs will there be in 4 years? Between outsourcing, ITT Madras turning out grads that will want your job for less on a visa, and whatever other trends in the market, and a recession it's not much better.

The market can only support so many petrochemical engineers. What would forcing arts majors into those fields do besides making more people compete for fewer jobs?

# ? May 5, 2016 18:15

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In love that the first excuse millenials throw out is "well I got 100k in debt but my water color degree hasn't landed me a job yet" like that is some how not their fault.

Like at the age of 18 the government forced the debt on his credit and shoved the degree in his hand. Yup sure wasn't those 4 years straight of you making poo poo decisions.

calm down grandpa social security will still be around long enough for you to make withdrawals and play shuffleboard

# ? May 5, 2016 18:19

Pakistani Brad Pitt: Nov 28, 2004; Not as taciturn, but still terribly powerful...

Almost sounds like we need a Guaranteed Minimum Income. Good luck wresting that from the Boomers or their equally as greedy but less empathic Gen X counterparts without violence.

# ? May 5, 2016 18:20

nigga crab pollock: Mar 26, 2010; by Lowtax

i read some blog earlier that was basically 'talking to your kids and your nannies about illegal streaming'

they hire live-in nannies from eastern europe or southeast asia and lmao pirate streaming sites are mad popular over there so they tell the kids about em, which is ABSOLUTELY HARAM

apparently this is a serous issue. they keep firing em and shipping over new ones from taiwan and they keep telling their kids about watchtvforfree.ru.biz

# ? May 5, 2016 18:23

bag em and tag em: Nov 4, 2008

The best part of the ballooning education costs is that now even the most basic jobs require a bachelor's degree but it's so commonplace that employers don't consider it worth paying more for. So you are required to go massively into debt and you're working for 12 to 15 dollars and hour as your grand reward.

# ? May 5, 2016 18:28

Pakistani Brad Pitt: Nov 28, 2004; Not as taciturn, but still terribly powerful...

nigga crab pollock posted:

i read some blog earlier that was basically 'talking to your kids and your nannies about illegal streaming'

they hire live-in nannies from eastern europe or southeast asia and lmao pirate streaming sites are mad popular over there so they tell the kids about em, which is ABSOLUTELY HARAM

apparently this is a serous issue. they keep firing em and shipping over new ones from taiwan and they keep telling their kids about watchtvforfree.ru.biz

Well if your financial situation is such that you find yourself hiring help and actually have money to be taken by Hollywood Cartel Lawyers, it probably makes sense to both protect your money and your investments in old media by banning streaming.

Also the generation of kids from like 5-15 now that literally has not known a world without iPads and smartphones really, really, sucks rear end compared to Millenials as far as malwaring up a computer from Russian Streaming Sites. They are only marginally better at computers than their Boomer grandparents, but at least Grandpa and Grandma are so scared of the thing that they don't get into as much trouble.

# ? May 5, 2016 18:30

Dial-a-Dog: May 22, 2001

Frosted Flake posted:

How many STEM jobs will there be in 4 years? Between outsourcing, ITT Madras turning out grads that will want your job for less on a visa, and whatever other trends in the market, and a recession it's not much better.

The market can only support so many petrochemical engineers. What would forcing arts majors into those fields do besides making more people compete for fewer jobs?

I thought we already went through the worst part of outsourcing those jobs when business realized it was costing them more to deal with the trash code they got from overseas than it was saving them. It'll probably get worse again, though, since I'm sure every time management changes over they'll want to try it again. Either way, at some point the field is going to get saturated, and then we'll have a whole new set of people with unmarketable degrees to scoff at for being unable to divine the future at 18

# ? May 5, 2016 18:36

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

RedMage129 posted:

The best part of the ballooning education costs is that now even the most basic jobs require a bachelor's degree but it's so commonplace that employers don't consider it worth paying more for. So you are required to go massively into debt and you're working for 12 to 15 dollars and hour as your grand reward.

This while Boomers keep talking about working your way from the mailroom to the boardroom.

I think you need a degree in Business Logistics to work in the mailroom these days.

# ? May 5, 2016 19:26

fuck the ROW: Aug 29, 2008; by zen death robot

if youre getting 12 bucks and you had to have a degree to get it, who knows what kind of dipshit degree you have. Landscaping pays 12 bucks an hour and doesn't require a degree

# ? May 5, 2016 19:29

100 HOGS AGREE: Oct 13, 2007; Grimey Drawer

Most of these opinion pieces on internet news sites are unpaid anyway, she probably just got it up there for "exposure on their platform"

A great example of this a couple days ago was a millennial writer who wrote a book about how tons of people are struggling because there's a trend in new media to not pay writers/artists, etc, and Huffington Post was like hey wanna do an article about it for us and he was like sure how much you gonna pay me and they were like, lol nothing.

# ? May 5, 2016 19:32

apatite: Dec 2, 2006; Got yer back, Jack

Profondo Rosso posted:

uh im pretty sure i struggle for success because im hella mentally ill not any of this grit bullshit

same

# ? May 5, 2016 19:39

Okuteru: Nov 10, 2007; Choose this life you're on your own

Aralan posted:

I thought we already went through the worst part of outsourcing those jobs when business realized it was costing them more to deal with the trash code they got from overseas than it was saving them. It'll probably get worse again, though, since I'm sure every time management changes over they'll want to try it again. Either way, at some point the field is going to get saturated, and then we'll have a whole new set of people with unmarketable degrees to scoff at for being unable to divine the future at 18

It's already happening now. Trade Degrees are the new STEM degree in that they are presented as the savior of the American workforce. Look at the advent of Mike Rowe. Don't go to college, just be a plumber. Who cares if you don't have the connections and the capital to begin.

# ? May 5, 2016 19:40

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Dreddout posted:

A lot of people on my campus are obsessed with this, I don't think they have actually read it, of course

It's basically trickle down economics for liberals who don't understand how capitalism has to work in order to function.

Oh sure, the oligarchs of America are going to let African Nestle slaves start their own tech companies, this is a rational belief!

Here this dude will summarize it for you:
http://www.nypress.com/flathead/

quote:

I think it was about five months ago that Press editor Alex Zaitchik whispered to me in the office hallway that Thomas Friedman had a new book coming out. All he knew about it was the title, but that was enough; he approached me with the chilled demeanor of a British spy who has just discovered that Hitler was secretly buying up the world's manganese supply. Who knew what it meantbut one had to assume the worst

"It's going to be called The Flattening," he whispered. Then he stood there, eyebrows raised, staring at me, waiting to see the effect of the news when it landed. I said nothing.

It turned out Alex had bad information; the book that ultimately came out would be called The World Is Flat. It didn't matter. Either version suggested the same horrifying possibility. Thomas Friedman in possession of 500 pages of ruminations on the metaphorical theme of flatness would be a very dangerous thing indeed. It would be like letting a chimpanzee loose in the NORAD control room; even the best-case scenario is an image that could keep you awake well into your 50s.

So I tried not to think about it. But when I heard the book was actually coming out, I started to worry. Among other things, I knew I would be asked to write the review. The usual ratio of Friedman criticism is 2:1, i.e., two human words to make sense of each single word of Friedmanese. Friedman is such a genius of literary incompetence that even his most innocent passages invite feature-length essays. I'll give you an example, drawn at random from The World Is Flat. On page 174, Friedman is describing a flight he took on Southwest Airlines from Baltimore to Hartford, Connecticut. (Friedman never forgets to name the company or the brand name; if he had written The Metamorphosis, Gregor Samsa would have awoken from uneasy dreams in a Sealy Posturepedic.)

Here's what he says:

I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins.

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

This would be a small thing were it not for the overall pattern. Thomas Friedman does not get these things right even by accident. It's not that he occasionally screws up and fails to make his metaphors and images agree. It's that he always screws it up. He has an anti-ear, and it's absolutely infallible; he is a Joyce or a Flaubert in reverse, incapable of rendering even the smallest details without genius. The difference between Friedman and an ordinary bad writer is that an ordinary bad writer will, say, call some businessman a shark and have him say some tired, uninspired piece of dialogue: Friedman will have him spout it. And that's guaranteed, every single time. He never misses.

On an ideological level, Friedman's new book is the worst, most boring kind of middlebrow horseshit. If its literary peculiarities could somehow be removed from the equation, The World Is Flat would appear as no more than an unusually long pamphlet replete with the kind of plug-filled, free-trader leg-humping that passes for thought in this country. It is a tale of a man who walks 10 feet in front of his house armed with a late-model Blackberry and comes back home five minutes later to gush to his wife that hospitals now use the internet to outsource the reading of CAT scans. Man flies on planes, observes the wonders of capitalism, says we're not in Kansas anymore. (He actually says we're not in Kansas anymore.) That's the whole plot right there. If the underlying message is all that interests you, read no further, because that's all there is.

It's impossible to divorce The World Is Flat from its rhetorical approach. It's not for nothing that Thomas Friedman is called "the most important columnist in America today." That it's Friedman's own colleague at the New York Times (Walter Russell Mead) calling him this, on the back of Friedman's own book, is immaterial. Friedman is an important American. He is the perfect symbol of our culture of emboldened stupidity. Like George Bush, he's in the reality-making business. In the new flat world, argument is no longer a two-way street for people like the president and the country's most important columnist. You no longer have to worry about actually convincing anyone; the process ends when you make the case.

Things are true because you say they are. The only thing that matters is how sure you sound when you say it. In politics, this allows America to invade a castrated Iraq in self-defense. In the intellectual world, Friedman is now probing the outer limits of this trick's potential, and it's absolutely perfect, a stroke of genius, that he's choosing to argue that the world is flat. The only thing that would have been better would be if he had chosen to argue that the moon was made of cheese. And that's basically what he's doing here. The internet is speeding up business communications, and global labor markets are more fluid than ever. Therefore, the moon is made of cheese. That is the rhetorical gist of The World Is Flat. It's brilliant. Only an America-hater could fail to appreciate it.

Start with the title.

The book's genesis is conversation Friedman has with Nandan Nilekani, the CEO of Infosys. Nilekani causally mutters to Friedman: "Tom, the playing field is being leveled." To you and me, an innocent throwaway phrasethe level playing field being, after all, one of the most oft-repeated stock ideas in the history of human interaction. Not to Friedman. Ten minutes after his talk with Nilekani, he is pitching a tent in his company van on the road back from the Infosys campus in Bangalore:

As I left the Infosys campus that evening along the road back to Bangalore, I kept chewing on that phrase: "The playing field is being leveled." What Nandan is saying, I thought, is that the playing field is being flattened... Flattened? Flattened? My God, he's telling me the world is flat!

This is like three pages into the book, and already the premise is totally hosed. Nilekani said level, not flat. The two concepts are completely different. Level is a qualitative idea that implies equality and competitive balance; flat is a physical, geographic concept that Friedman, remember, is openly contrasting--ironically, as it were--with Columbus's discovery that the world is round.

Except for one thing. The significance of Columbus's discovery was that on a round earth, humanity is more interconnected than on a flat one. On a round earth, the two most distant points are closer together than they are on a flat earth. But Friedman is going to spend the next 470 pages turning the "flat world" into a metaphor for global interconnectedness. Furthermore, he is specifically going to use the word round to describe the old, geographically isolated, unconnected world.

"Let me... share with you some of the encounters that led me to conclude that the world is no longer round," he says. He will literally travel backward in time, against the current of human knowledge.

To recap: Friedman, imagining himself Columbus, journeys toward India. Columbus, he notes, traveled in three ships; Friedman "had Lufthansa business class." When he reaches India--Bangalore to be specific--he immediately plays golf. His caddy, he notes with interest, wears a cap with the 3M logo. Surrounding the golf course are billboards for Texas Instruments and Pizza Hut. The Pizza Hut billboard reads: "Gigabites of Taste." Because he sees a Pizza Hut ad on the way to a golf course, something that could never happen in America, Friedman concludes: "No, this definitely wasn't Kansas."

After golf, he meets Nilekani, who casually mentions that the playing field is level. A nothing phrase, but Friedman has traveled all the way around the world to hear it. Man travels to India, plays golf, sees Pizza Hut billboard, listens to Indian CEO mutter small talk, writes 470-page book reversing the course of 2000 years of human thought. That he misattributes his thesis to Nilekani is perfect: Friedman is a person who not only speaks in malapropisms, he also hears malapropisms. Told level; heard flat. This is the intellectual version of Far Out Space Nuts, when NASA repairman Bob Denver sets a whole sitcom in motion by pressing "launch" instead of "lunch" in a space capsule. And once he hits that button, the rocket takes off.

And boy, does it take off. Predictably, Friedman spends the rest of his huge book piling one insane image on top of the other, so that by the endand I'm not joking herewe are meant to understand that the flat world is a giant ice-cream sundae that is more beef than sizzle, in which everyone can fit his hose into his fire hydrant, and in which most but not all of us are covered with a mostly good special sauce. Moreover, Friedman's book is the first I have encountered, anywhere, in which the reader needs a calculator to figure the value of the author's metaphors.

God strike me dead if I'm joking about this. Judge for yourself. After the initial passages of the book, after Nilekani has forgotten Friedman and gone back to interacting with the sane, Friedman begins constructing a monstrous mathematical model of flatness. The baseline argument begins with a lengthy description of the "ten great flatteners," which is basically a highlight reel of globalization tomahawk dunks from the past two decades: the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the Netscape IPO, the pre-Y2K outsourcing craze, and so on. Everything that would give an IBM human resources director a boner, that's a flattener. The catch here is that Flattener #10 is new communications technology: "Digital, Mobile, Personal, and Virtual." These technologies Friedman calls "steroids," because they are "amplifying and turbocharging all the other flatteners."

According to the mathematics of the book, if you add an IPac to your offshoring, you go from running to sprinting with gazelles and from eating with lions to devouring with them. Although these 10 flatteners existed already by the time Friedman wrote The Lexus and the Olive Treea period of time referred to in the book as Globalization 2.0, with Globalization 1.0 beginning with Columbusthey did not come together to bring about Globalization 3.0, the flat world, until the 10 flatteners had, with the help of the steroids, gone through their "Triple Convergence." The first convergence is the merging of software and hardware to the degree that makes, say, the Konica Minolta Bizhub (the product featured in Friedman's favorite television commercial) possible. The second convergence came when new technologies combined with new ways of doing business. The third convergence came when the people of certain low-wage industrial countriesIndia, Russia, China, among otherswalked onto the playing field. Thanks to steroids, incidentally, they occasionally are "not just walking" but "jogging and even sprinting" onto the playing field.

Now let's say that the steroids speed things up by a factor of two. It could be any number, but let's be conservative and say two. The whole point of the book is to describe the journey from Globalization 2.0 (Friedman's first bestselling book) to Globalization 3.0 (his current bestselling book). To get from 2.0 to 3.0, you take 10 flatteners, and you have them converge--let's say this means squaring them, because that seems to be the idea--three times. By now, the flattening factor is about a thousand. Add a few steroids in there, and we're dealing with a flattening factor somewhere in the several thousands at any given page of the book. We're talking about a metaphor that mathematically adds up to a four-digit number. If you're like me, you're already lost by the time Friedman starts adding to this numerical jumble his very special qualitative descriptive imagery. For instance:

And now the icing on the cake, the ubersteroid that makes it all mobile: wireless. Wireless is what allows you to take everything that has been digitized, made virtual and personal, and do it from anywhere.

Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you a Thomas Friedman metaphor, a set of upside-down antlers with four thousand points: the icing on your uber-steroid-flattener-cake!

Let's speak Friedmanese for a moment and examine just a few of the notches on these antlers (Friedman, incidentally, measures the flattening of the world in notches, i.e. "The flattening process had to go another notch"; I'm not sure where the notches go in the flat plane, but there they are.) Flattener #1 is actually two flatteners, the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the spread of the Windows operating system. In a Friedman book, the reader naturally seizes up in dread the instant a suggestive word like "Windows" is introduced; you wince, knowing what's coming, the same way you do when Leslie Nielsen orders a Black Russian. And Friedman doesn't disappoint. His description of the early 90s:

The walls had fallen down and the Windows had opened, making the world much flatter than it had ever been--but the age of seamless global communication had not yet dawned.

How the gently caress do you open a window in a fallen wall? More to the point, why would you open a window in a fallen wall? Or did the walls somehow fall in such a way that they left the windows floating in place to be opened? Four hundred and 73 pages of this, folks. Is there no God?

there's a sequel too: http://www.nypress.com/flat-n-all-that/

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# ? May 5, 2016 19:40

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Aralan posted:

I thought we already went through the worst part of outsourcing those jobs when business realized it was costing them more to deal with the trash code they got from overseas than it was saving them. It'll probably get worse again, though, since I'm sure every time management changes over they'll want to try it again. Either way, at some point the field is going to get saturated, and then we'll have a whole new set of people with unmarketable degrees to scoff at for being unable to divine the future at 18

It hasn't. Those firms are actively lobbying to change the H1B visa program so they can replace even more STEM/tech employees with labor from overseas at a fraction of the cost.

# ? May 5, 2016 19:41

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Frosted Flake posted:

What would forcing arts majors into those fields do besides making more people compete for fewer jobs?

but that is the point

# ? May 5, 2016 19:46

big black turnout: Jan 13, 2009; Fallen Rib

Eames36 posted:

It hasn't. Those firms are actively lobbying to change the H1B visa program so they can replace even more STEM/tech employees with labor from overseas at a fraction of the cost.

it's also only a matter of time before STEM degrees (hell, any X degree that everyone is saying is the "jobs degree") becomes oversaturated and people are saying "why are you people so stupid getting X degree, when everyone knows Y degree is where all the jobs are" until Y degree becomes oversaturated and...

# ? May 5, 2016 19:51

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

big black turnout posted:

it's also only a matter of time before STEM degrees (hell, any X degree that everyone is saying is the "jobs degree") becomes oversaturated and people are saying "why are you people so stupid getting X degree, when everyone knows Y degree is where all the jobs are" until Y degree becomes oversaturated and...

Eventually it will roll over and a degree in medieval history will be usefull!

# ? May 5, 2016 20:15

PokeJoe: Aug 24, 2004; hail cgatan

big black turnout posted:

it's also only a matter of time before STEM degrees (hell, any X degree that everyone is saying is the "jobs degree") becomes oversaturated and people are saying "why are you people so stupid getting X degree, when everyone knows Y degree is where all the jobs are" until Y degree becomes oversaturated and...

STEM degrees outside of T are pretty much already like this. if you have a bachelors in a science, people will tell you the degree is almost useless without getting a phd. and they're right. and the phd doesn't guarantee you'll get a job either.

# ? May 5, 2016 20:31

Dial-a-Dog: May 22, 2001

Dreddout posted:

Eventually it will roll over and a degree in medieval history will be usefull!

Well, eventually the one or two people with jobs that use that degree will die, so probably

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Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

why do millennials on sa get upset when you call their generation out for being lovely

i don't mean you're lovely specifically, but, like, the people you grew up with and all of your friends and loved ones. relax

# ? May 5, 2016 20:48

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

touchy motherfuckers

# ? May 5, 2016 20:49

Stinky_Pete: Aug 16, 2015; Stinkier than your average bear; Lipstick Apathy

RobattoJesus posted:

I didn't say millennials don't have it bad, I said they don't want to fix poo poo and would rather complain on the internet and post graphs.

If it takes 8 hours to post a graph and that's what someone did for a whole day you may have a point

# ? May 5, 2016 20:53

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I suppose it is a question of the purpose of the university system. Tuition in Ontario climbing 200% since 2000 is not related to the value of a degree. I would almost say the value is declining. However, as people have pointed out, you need a degree for many basic jobs.

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bag em and tag em: Nov 4, 2008

Right but the sick rebuttal so far to that is "nu uh, you're just dumb."

# ? May 5, 2016 21:01

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Frosted Flake posted:

I suppose it is a question of the purpose of the university system. Tuition in Ontario climbing 200% since 2000 is not related to the value of a degree. I would almost say the value is declining. However, as people have pointed out, you need a degree for many basic jobs.

they are making OSAP a free grant instead of a loan next year. this problem has already been solved in Ontario. sorry america about Berrnie

# ? May 5, 2016 21:07

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT?!

# ? May 5, 2016 21:08

thathonkey: Jul 17, 2012

im a millennial and i dont struggle for success

# ? May 5, 2016 21:09

Stinky_Pete: Aug 16, 2015; Stinkier than your average bear; Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

I suppose it is a question of the purpose of the university system. Tuition in Ontario climbing 200% since 2000 is not related to the value of a degree. I would almost say the value is declining. However, as people have pointed out, you need a degree for many basic jobs.

It saddens me that, in a way, merely having a degree in whatever is sort of a class shibboleth. It's a signal that
1) you can take tests and do institutional things without completely loving up
2) you are now dependent on the corporate dole in order to pay back your loving loans

or, if you have no debt, then you're probably a trust fund baby who can buy up some city block and replace the 3-generations-deep barber shop with a JOOS B�R

# ? May 5, 2016 21:10

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

thathonkey posted:

im a millennial and i dont struggle for success

yeah because you've had everything handed to you and you're lazy

# ? May 5, 2016 21:10

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

millennials favorite song about their parents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUphyoFqCL8

# ? May 5, 2016 21:12

thathonkey: Jul 17, 2012

Mandator posted:

yeah because you've had everything handed to you and you're lazy

actually my dad was in jail until I turned 15, grew up on TANF with my mom and sister moving from shithole apt to shithole apt until dad finally got out of jail and was blacklisted from every job. the only thing i had handed to me was being lucky enough to spend summers with extended family who had a computer and they let me play with it and eventually after my dad started working again we were able to afford a family PC and he had a work-provided internet connection so i continued teaching myself how to program.

now i make 6 figures programming dumb bullshit and am almost done paying off all my college loans. i am married and we are hoping to start a family soon. i'm a first wave millennial though ('85)

# ? May 5, 2016 21:14

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

thathonkey posted:

actually my dad was in jail until I turned 15, grew up on TANF with my mom and sister moving from shithole apt to shithole apt until dad finally got out of jail and was blacklisted from every job. the only thing i had handed to me was being lucky enough to spend summers with extended family who had a computer and they let me play with it and eventually after my dad started working again we were able to afford a family PC and he had a work-provided internet connection so i continued teaching myself how to program.

now i make 6 figures programming dumb bullshit and am almost done paying off all my college loans.

who's going to pay for those summers?!

# ? May 5, 2016 21:15

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

idk still sounds like a struggle to me. You're just not still in the struggling part.

# ? May 5, 2016 21:15

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

i am a programmer and it isn't even real work. i just get handed money. lots of it - millennials

# ? May 5, 2016 21:17

thathonkey: Jul 17, 2012

Fitzy Fitz posted:

idk still sounds like a struggle to me. You're just not still in the struggling part.

oh every day is still a struggle. doesn't matter who you are, you'll have some kind of problems that make life seem like a struggle for you.

Mandator posted:

i am a programmer and it isn't even real work. i just get handed money. lots of it - millennials

for sure. such a small fraction of software is actually used for something meaningful. i want to get into healthcare industry or something so I can at least feel like the software i'm working on might do some good in the owrld.

# ? May 5, 2016 21:17

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

Mandator posted:

i am a programmer and it isn't even real work. i just get handed money. lots of it - millennials

*breaks out in a rash thinking about manual labor*

# ? May 5, 2016 21:18

Mandator: Aug 28, 2007

thathonkey posted:

oh every day is still a struggle. doesn't matter who you are, you'll have some kind of problems that make life seem like a struggle for you.

for sure. such a small fraction of software is actually used for something meaningful. i want to get into healthcare industry or something so I can at least feel like the software i'm working on might do some good in the owrld.

i worked for as a software dev for a privately owned ehr for a few years when meaningful use was popping off

sweet gig

# ? May 5, 2016 21:19

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Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

Manual labor really will give you a rash though. And probably some joint problems.

# ? May 5, 2016 21:20

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