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Zaregoto also used one of the same plot twists DR1 employed... I am kind of glad I didn't mention it when DR1 was still being LP'd, but the book was either cleaned the gently caress up in translation or actually read pretty well to begin because it read like a real mystery... Honestly with the exception of the Slayers and Kino's Journey novels (which also didn't read like Light novels to me...) I've found most Light/Japanese novels with anime or manga ties to be somewhat shockingly formulaic in one regard: 80-90% of the time, the plot is structured around an unassuming male character who either meets, or has known/been friends with a particularly eccentric, unique female character who will *always* possess a strange outlook and/or behaviorism, or worse, just a gimmick. They then have an adventure or a conflict. The male character tends to have a one-note quality to an otherwise bland characterization, or they did something interesting in the past and or have something way out of left field happen to them during the plot. Shakugan no Shana, the Fortune Quest novel, Zaregoto, *the Book-Girl series*, Kara no Kyoukai, Spice and Wolf (quasi counting this one, since at least the hero had a drat *job*) and I imagine many more. I kinda feel that DR0 is using the inverse: Girl Meets/Knows Boy regarding Ryouko and Matsuda or at the least they are using the same drat formula only from the eccentric girl's perspective which none of the aforementioned ever did (Slayers...maybe... but I maintain that those books were more directly a 1st person narrative and Lina Inverse is far too much of a personified character to be lumped in with the other examples...)
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TKMobile posted:Honestly with the exception of the Slayers and Kino's Journey novels (which also didn't read like Light novels to me...) I've found most Light/Japanese novels with anime or manga ties to be somewhat shockingly formulaic in one regard: 80-90% of the time, the plot is structured around an unassuming male character who either meets, or has known/been friends with a particularly eccentric, unique female character who will *always* possess a strange outlook and/or behaviorism, or worse, just a gimmick. They then have an adventure or a conflict. The male character tends to have a one-note quality to an otherwise bland characterization, or they did something interesting in the past and or have something way out of left field happen to them during the plot. I like how you list the "Unassuming male character meets eccentric female character with a strange outlook" genre of light novel and then don't include Haruhi Suzumiya in the list. Of course, those light novels are actually well-executed, so... Sporkaganza fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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I'm more confused about Kara no Kyoukai, which does indeed include that, except the unassuming male is far removed from being a main character and the novels are actually about the girl brutally murdering an increasingly mad series of opponents with a sword. Not that you should read them rather than watching the films, as even the original author has said repeatedly, but it really doesn't fit the mold.
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Rodyle posted:I'm more confused about Kara no Kyoukai, which does indeed include that, except the unassuming male is far removed from being a main character and the novels are actually about the girl brutally murdering an increasingly mad series of opponents with a sword. They were among Nasu's first works, which naturally means they were pretty much just slightly organized rambling stories. The films cleaned them up quite nicely. As for the rest of the topic, "unassuming guy meet eccentric girl and adventures ensue" sums up quite a bit of the fiction aimed at the targeted age range. A quick glance at my video game shelf reveals a number of titles under which that would fit, for certain definitions of eccentric
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Kanfy posted:I guess I still don't get this line of thinking, a small kid deserves to die because he's acting perverted? No, you're the one who's right. Both he and Hanamura are comic relief characters. Call me when either does something worse than Quagmire from Family Guy. Also, just so it's clear, I am getting sick of the hyperbolic statements about this stuff (Hanamura's not a sex offender) and I've started getting reports on them, so really thread, knock it off. Mod sanctioned, the comments are getting weirder and creepier than the characters.
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# ? Mar 13, 2013 05:18 |
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I drew Kuzuryuu today. Please go easy on me, this is the first time I've tried to draw anime since I was 8 years old. [You can click for big]
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Jeek posted:Except when she faked Sakura's letter and framed Kirigiri for murder? Er, yes. Good job! I like the linework. He does look a bit older than he usually does, but it's a good depiction of the character.
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slowbeef posted:No, you're the one who's right. Both he and Hanamura are comic relief characters. Call me when either does something worse than Quagmire from Family Guy. Speaking just for myself here, I know that the scene was intended as comic relief, but the joke simply didn't work for me. The whole situation just came off as creepy instead of funny. In any case, I agree that it's not worth getting all that worked up over. Suzuki Method posted:I drew Kuzuryuu today. Please go easy on me, this is the first time I've tried to draw anime since I was 8 years old. Wow, that's a nice pic. I really like the style.
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DaveWoo posted:Speaking just for myself here, I know that the scene was intended as comic relief, but the joke simply didn't work for me. The whole situation just came off as creepy instead of funny. Last word on it. It's gone too far. It's no longer a comment on the writing or the game, and it's just gotten weird. I'm not expressing my personal opinion, I'm telling people to knock it off.
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Ratoslov posted:Good job! I like the linework. He does look a bit older than he usually does, but it's a good depiction of the character. Heh, if Kuzuryuu really does have issues about the "babyface" thing, looking more like a rough and tough gangster is probably what he wants. Impressive pic.
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Oh, that's manly. I do have a complaint though. What's up with the the weird cropping?
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Sporkaganza posted:I like how you list the "Unassuming male character meets eccentric female character with a strange outlook" genre of light novel and then don't include Haruhi Suzumiya in the list. Of course, those light novels are actually well-executed, so... I didn't mention any specific book I haven't read myself, though this aspect of the Haruhi novels in retrospect isn't surprising all that much. EDIT: whereas video games DO use this trope-ish standard to some extent, it's not the same as the Light novels employing the exact same third person limited or first person narrative method and in general the same attitude. TKMobile fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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I noticed that, in comparison to DR1, there are still a few rules 'missing' from the core set. Last time we had "No killing more than two people" and "No breaking locks" added on, right? Because this time, the student's cottages have - if I remember correctly - nice, big, breakable windows and are far more accessible than DR1's sound-proofed murderbunkers. Also, I'm like 100 pages late, but I just had to:
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Lunar Suite posted:I noticed that, in comparison to DR1, there are still a few rules 'missing' from the core set. Last time we had "No killing more than two people" and "No breaking locks" added on, right? Because this time, the student's cottages have - if I remember correctly - nice, big, breakable windows and are far more accessible than DR1's sound-proofed murderbunkers. Oh crap, I'm going to die in a week now aren't I? Wait, I linked it, I'm saved! True, but we also have some additional rules that Monomi added. It's anyone's guess if Monobear will actually enforce them or not. I think at this point Monobear wants to encourage murders so he isn't setting a limit on them. And I believe we already have a no vandalism rule.
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Lunar Suite posted:something horrifying And so are you. If Kuzuryuu's game sprite grew his hair out a little he'd probably have a slightly Dude, do you even lift?! I dunno sometimes I guess-- INSUFFICIENT!! *bodychecks him with a dumbbell* Maybe not.
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Seriously. That artwork (which as already noted is fantastic) indirectly points out that at least some of Kuzuryuu's issues are self-inflicted. He's certainly capable of making himself grungier and less cheek-pinchingly cute. Even though he may not be able to do much about his facial structure, skin tone, or (lack of) scruffiness, he can at least do something with his clothes or hair.
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Vil posted:Seriously. That artwork (which as already noted is fantastic) indirectly points out that at least some of Kuzuryuu's issues are self-inflicted. He's certainly capable of making himself grungier and less cheek-pinchingly cute. Even though he may not be able to do much about his facial structure, skin tone, or (lack of) scruffiness, he can at least do something with his clothes or hair. The cigar helps, too.
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I did a quick doodle of Ibuki this morning.
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Rangpur posted:You're good people. I like to think of Nekomaru as an incredibly aggressive Shine. PLEASE WORK OUT!
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So I had a cultural question I was hoping someone could answer. (I'm a 2nd semester Japanese language student.) Why are the characters' names written in Katakana, such as in the following pictures; if they are natives of Japan? Fedule posted:
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# ? Mar 13, 2013 21:04 |
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Stylistic choice, I believe it was answered earlier in the thread.
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Probably just a sylistic choice.
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Waffleman_ posted:I like to think of Nekomaru as an incredibly aggressive Shine. Now I really want to see a picture of Nekomaru lifting a couch over his head.
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Waffleman_ posted:I like to think of Nekomaru as an incredibly aggressive Shine. And then Kuzuryuu got banned in a hilarious fashion for not keeping up with his log. North of Gravity posted:I did a quick doodle of Ibuki this morning. This is really nice. I like how she sort of feels like a Sailor Moon character here (outfit notwithstanding.)
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North of Gravity posted:I did a quick doodle of Ibuki this morning. She looks like a dude.
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Miss Kalle posted:And then Kuzuryuu got banned in a hilarious fashion for not keeping up with his log. "Ran 2 miles today to escape from a homicidal teddy bear. Will post pics later"
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Shirimasen posted:Why are the characters' names written in Katakana, such as in the following pictures; if they are natives of Japan? It's probably in part stylistic, like others have said, but katakana is also a lot less ambiguous (phonetically speaking) than kanji. Sometimes not every kanji in a word is immediately legible, even to a Japanese audience - names in particular can be bad about this. Like, take Gundam's name. His family name, Tanaka (田中), is a really common one and anyone with a passing knowledge of kanji should be able to read it. His given name, Gundam (眼蛇夢), however, is more complicated. Even if you know what each kanji means, the way you're meant to read/pronounce it is more up in the air. There's an interesting dialogue here about the aesthetics of ambiguity in the Japanese language, but I've enough and this thread really isn't the place for that. Now to return to my lurking slumber and await patiently for the trial to begin.
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North of Gravity I love that! She looks properly sassy, and your style is very cool. Ibuki seems like she'd be pretty fun to draw, but I might try and draw Sonia or Peko. Haven't decided which yet, trying to get back into the habit of making art myself.
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North of Gravity posted:I did a quick doodle of Ibuki this morning. She looks like a Monster High doll. Which actually might make for a cool doll mod.
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I'd totally buy an Ibuki monster high doll. I was talking with my friend who is really into ball-jointed dolls about, if I ever got rich, I'd mod a BJD into Genocider Syo, with the hanging tongue and crazy eyes and tally marks, scissors, everything.
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I'll take a break from spamming the thread with fanart now, but have this clothing fold practice. I pretty much overdid it but whatever. edit: tomorrow after I've slept I'll take a look at this post and see all the obvious mistakes and feel embarrassed tiistai fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Speaking of Ibuki, is it ever explained what the stitching along her left leg is? I was hoping that it was some type of hosiery, but I think it's an actual scar.
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Shadow225 posted:Speaking of Ibuki, is it ever explained what the stitching along her left leg is? I was hoping that it was some type of hosiery, but I think it's an actual scar. If there's an explanation, it hasn't come yet. It looks like a patterned stocking to me.
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You can buy tights with 'scar' stitches on them at Hot Topic. At least, I've seen them on the internet before. I wouldn't worry about Ibuki being Genocider Syo #2.
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Ugh dammit I wish I wasn't so bogged down with school poo poo or I'd be leading the Team Chiaki fan art charge right now.
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tiistai posted:
This is pretty good but you're pushing these folds way too far. This is a heavy garment designed to obscure form of figure, it wouldn't pinch like that, especially not where you have those hard, hard creases.
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# ? Mar 14, 2013 00:38 |
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Given all her piercings, I'd be willing to say it could also be another kind of body mod like scarification. Honestly, though, it's probably just another part of the design and not something we'll be hearing a lot about -- With how exaggerated this game's characters are, the designers probably gave the most attention to the overall aesthetic and kept "would someone do/wear this irl" as an afterthought. Watch as the next Free Time section is all about that time Ibuki had to get her femur transplanted or something, proving that I'm a chump.
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# ? Mar 14, 2013 00:42 |
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That's somewhat terrifying but at the same time very cute. I love when great LP's bring out all these people to make neat fanart.
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# ? Mar 14, 2013 00:44 |
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I don't draw at all anymore, I stopped drawing because of low self-esteem, but sometimes things inspire me to draw characters I like, and Dangan Ronpa has such colorful and interesting characters that I just can't resist. Besides, I figure contributing fanart is at least a little bit better than just throwing out theories-- I'm just one of those people who figures 'i'm going to find out in a few days anyway'. I really like that picture of Hiyoko, Hiyoko has some of the more interesting colours in the game and I like everything she's been in (the perler beads, for one)!
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I really hope something like this comes to light during the trial's comic assembly phase: The joke came to me while I was wrapping up a couple of things for my finals and I had to spend a few minutes sketching it out.
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