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Knowing the rest of the Hellcat, "neutered" valet mode is probably still north of 400 horsepower, fully disables the traction control and somehow makes the exhaust even louder. While the valet drives it the ECU identifies and calls out nearby sports cars (through the stereo, in the voice of Ralph Gilles) and gives odds on beating them in a drag race, followed by profane encouragement.
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skipdogg posted:For some reason I just don't see many people that are going to DD a Hellcat, they'll be garage queens that only come out for cars and coffee, cruising on the weekend, or trips to the dragstrip. (and there is nothing wrong with that) Supposedly at WOT the thing can drain it's fuel tank in 13 minutes or so. I don't see why you couldn't use it as a DD, though lets be honest, as a DD there's no practical reason to own one over an R/T Challenger (if you want a V8 Challenger), or even a V6 Challenger if you just want a Challenger. It's purely a brash, ostentatious, excessive and bonkers car. I'm curious what the Hellcat Charger will be like. Photos popped up recently of the SRT Charger mule with different body work from the new 2015 model. Since the Charger and Challenger share the same foundation, and up to this point the same engines, there's no reason they couldn't make a Hellcat version. Still bonkers but slightly more practical than the Challenger.
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It turns out the Dodge boys were being cute when the Hellcat was first announced.
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I thought that was to signify that the design was stuck in the 70s, and the transmission would have 7 gears left after you launch it.
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Kenshin posted:Pretty much, yeah. Wait which ones?
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Wait which ones? At local dealers I've seen 2014 V8 Mustangs asking $28k, prices are getting low to make room for the 2015s. If you beat up a dealer and ran a bunch of cross quotes, I bet you could swing one for $26k.
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Twerk from Home posted:At local dealers I've seen 2014 V8 Mustangs asking $28k, prices are getting low to make room for the 2015s. If you beat up a dealer and ran a bunch of cross quotes, I bet you could swing one for $26k. Oh, Mustangs. I thought we were talking about desirable cars. ducks
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Oh, Mustangs. I thought we were talking about desirable cars. Hah. Yeah, basically talking about Mustangs right now. A friend picked up a 2012 Mustang GT from the dealer for $25k just a few months ago with less than 25k miles on it.
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Almost every single Hellcat will be wrapped around a telephone pole, leaving the 5 or so remaining ones worth well over $1,000,000 a piece. Just watch & see.
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DO all you guys live in 1990s Anime world where there are telephone poles and cicadas everywhere? All the phone lines around here run underground.  It's going to be hilarious when the "revolution" is revealed to be a thing called "front wheel drive".
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Throatwarbler posted:DO all you guys live in 1990s Anime world where there are telephone poles and cicadas everywhere? All the phone lines around here run underground. They already posted the chassis back in April.
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I know it's hard being a VW enthusiast, but you don't need to take it out on the FUTURE GOD'S CHARIOT dude. Mark Booth has been right on Miata.net every single time, he's probably a plant. I'm kind of excited for the new Mazda2 with the 1.5L timbo diesel. Currently the 2 makes 100hp/98ft-lbs, new one is going to be slightly larger, weigh about the same (2300lbs), and have 105hp and 185ft-lbs. 
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I'd be excited about the Miata if it had any balls to it for once. I still don't buy the idea you have to neuter a car's power to make it handle nice.
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Phone posted:I'm kind of excited for the new Mazda2 with the 1.5L timbo diesel. Currently the 2 makes 100hp/98ft-lbs, new one is going to be slightly larger, weigh about the same (2300lbs), and have 105hp and 185ft-lbs. I'm watching the 2 too but I'm worried that some early press has suggested it may not be as firm as the previous model. Also hearing poo poo about Aus not getting the diesel 2 because they want people to buy the diesel 3. Particularly this one: http://www.caradvice.com.au/293799/2015-mazda-2-review/ Just have to wait and see I guess.
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Coredump posted:I'd be excited about the Miata if it had any balls to it for once. I still don't buy the idea you have to neuter a car's power to make it handle nice. Just ran some numbers in terms of affordable sports cars: ND Miata: 13.75lb/HP (2200/160) or 14.37lb/HP (2300/160) S2000: 11.6lb/HP New Z4: 10.29lb/HP C5Z06: 7.69lb/HP 1st Gen Cayman S: 10.15lb/HP BRZ: 13.8lb/HP I was pretty generous in using the lowest curb I could find.
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Phone posted:Just ran some numbers in terms of affordable sports cars: What's your point? The NA/NB/NC Miata could have been given more power without making it handle like a pig.
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I don't disagree, but poo poo gets expensive. I think the only other car on the list that could give the ND a run for its money in the MPG department is the Corvette and maybe BRZ. I think it's going to be in the mid to high 30s, and you can squeak out 28mpg out of the BRZ and Vette. You might not be the target demo. poo poo gets expensive when you start making one-off stuff. The motors that have been in the Miata have always been what's in the completely pedestrian cars, too. NA/NB: shares with Escorts, Kias, and Protégés NC: shares with Focus, 3, etc The BRZ technically shares the same motor as the new WRX and Forester and so does the Z4, but stuff like the LS6 and F series motor aren't found in your mom's beige box.
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Yeah but it shouldn't have to be a choice between a 400hp 6.0 liter v8 and a 2.0 liter inline 4 that only puts out 200hp. A NC with a turbo MZR would have been money.
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BabyMauler posted:They might as well Hellcat up a Ram 1500 2WD Regular Cab and piss in Ford and Chevy/GMC's Cheerios because they don't have the crazy that has gotten into Mopar. The Hell express. The Black Hell. The Black Cat The Cat Express Yep there is something here.
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Coredump posted:Yeah but it shouldn't have to be a choice between a 400hp 6.0 liter v8 and a 2.0 liter inline 4 that only puts out 200hp. A NC with a turbo MZR would have been money. Yeah, but there were several (dumb) things at play. First was that nothing could be faster than the flagship: the RX-8. You know, the car that basically pushed Mazda into the red. Then the financial crisis and Ford leveraging it's stake in Mazda and whatnot, etc. I still think it's dumb that they didn't do it. The rotary is neat, but it's almost bankrupted Mazda twice in a row. The science fair project shouldn't require all of Mazda' slush fund. It's a shame, but it's the truth.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_iRcpJ1Z1U
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So will the miata come with the mustang ecoboost 4 banger or not? Who cares what it looks like.
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Coredump posted:What's your point? The NA/NB/NC Miata could have been given more power without making it handle like a pig. It's not about handling, it's about driver enjoyment. Miatas are stupidly fun to cane because they're slow. The C6 Z06 handles like a big miata but it's just boring as gently caress to drive on the street anywhere within please don't revoke my license speeds.
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The real question isn't power but if they're going to make this RWD or FWD. A roadster with FWD just sounds all kinds of not-fun.
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Kenshin posted:The real question isn't power but if they're going to make this RWD or FWD. We've seen the chassis, it's RWD and has aluminum in the frame. In a worst case where they add lots of heavy safety features and niceties, it's the same weight as the current one, but with a turbo. If they actually do what they say they've done and drop 200 lbs, you have a car significantly lighter than the Alfa 4c. http://blog.caranddriver.com/mazda-shows-chassis-for-next-gen-2016-miata-calls-it-a-table-of-contents-2014-new-york-auto-show/
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Twerk from Home posted:We've seen the chassis, it's RWD and has aluminum in the frame. In a worst case where they add lots of heavy safety features and niceties, it's the same weight as the current one, but with a turbo. If they actually do what they say they've done and drop 200 lbs, you have a car significantly lighter than the Alfa 4c. Alfa is supposed to be building a roadster off of the miata. They probably don't want to eat the 4C's lunch.
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Powershift posted:Alfa is supposed to be building a roadster off of the miata. They probably don't want to eat the 4C's lunch.
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Elephanthead posted:So will the miata come with the mustang ecoboost 4 banger or not? Who cares what it looks like. I can't imagine why it would. The 2.3 Ecoboost is a new engine design, it's not an MZR. In fact Ford looks like it's going to ditch the MZR altogether. The 2015 Edge is going to debut the new 2.0 Ecoboost, the only thing it shares with the old 2.0EB is bore-center spacing.
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Kenshin posted:The real question isn't power but if they're going to make this RWD or FWD. I doubt anyone in Mazda even considered FWD for a second.
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Twerk from Home posted:We've seen the chassis, it's RWD and has aluminum in the frame. In a worst case where they add lots of heavy safety features and niceties, it's the same weight as the current one, but with a turbo. If they actually do what they say they've done and drop 200 lbs, you have a car significantly lighter than the Alfa 4c. Wait, the new Miata has a turbo? Is this confirmed?
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Rhyno posted:Wait, the new Miata has a turbo? Is this confirmed? Almost certainly not. Fiat is getting to use the platform however and if the 500 Abarth is anything to go by the Fiat Miata will be the Best Car Ever.
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Are we calling it the Fiata yet? Fiata. Fiata.
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Wheeee posted:Almost certainly not. It kinda sounds like a turbo in that video posted today, but I think it will probably have a hotter version of the 2.0 Skyactive.
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Xguard86 posted:The Hell express. I"m not creative enough to come up with a more sheepy, Ram-y name for a Raptor killer. Seriously, if they're gonna put it in a truck they oughta give it like 15 inches of wheel travel. Or a Grand Cherokee Tomahawk or some poo poo.
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Friar Zucchini posted:I"m not creative enough to come up with a more sheepy, Ram-y name for a Raptor killer. Seriously, if they're gonna put it in a truck they oughta give it like 15 inches of wheel travel. Or a Grand Cherokee Tomahawk or some poo poo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sheep_breeds Something like Blacknose could do it. Comedy option: Lincoln. 
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PeterWeller posted:It kinda sounds like a turbo in that video posted today, but I think it will probably have a hotter version of the 2.0 Skyactive. Yeah, I'm gonna side with you on this one. That's almost definite turbo spool at the beginning.
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Wheeee posted:Almost certainly not. If the Fiat Miata sounds like the 500 Abarth I will buy one in a heartbeat.
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