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MC Eating Disorder posted:Me and Somberero. Sorry I haven't been super active in this game but I've been sick/starting a new job and also another game has been taking up what little usable brainspace I have atm so I've been pretty low effort here. I thought I had a pretty good reason for this pick but in hindsight it might have actually been a little dumb? I dunno. If we genuinely have no good leads today I don't mind being a token lynch to take my power out of consideration and also because I haven't been particularly active but if we have a solid rolecop that can help us and I didn't somehow gently caress with it I'm all ears. Rock on, I investigated Rurea last night and got town. I'll start dropping some cases later today.
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The ratio of votes:reasoning doesn't skew in Numerrik's favor. In most cases, he is just following along with the majority, which feels scummy to me. numerrik posted:Wow, that was certainly a turn of events. God drat. Is it D2 yet, or are we in the middle of N1? Either way, I should be at full steam Monday as my absurdly long work hours end Saturday, so I can start playing more. Excellent - who are your two scummiest suspects right now and why? Also numerrik posted:For the record, I didn't commute last night. Why not?
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Mar 16, 2015 15:13
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Woops I forgot I was in this game. Looks like everyone found out my secret, thanks MT! I think numerrik is pretty suspicious, I'll try to read some of this game today and post some real thoughts.
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Mar 16, 2015 15:19
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Yeah, I'm content to vote Numerrik today.
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Mar 16, 2015 15:24
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METMet posted:Hey Hal, can you poison TheRam? Going after the claimed Tracker is highly suspect to me, because in the event that TheRam was town (which a scum Met would obviously know), lynching TheRam would have been really good for scum. Plus Met hadn't put any attention on TheRam prior to that - going from no (known) read to voting for him for being a tracker doesn't feel like a real reaction to me. Met posted:I had to check the PM. Unconfirmed.That's odd. I just googled it. I've never seen that concept before. - Does this mean you started the game thinking that you and Ernie were confirmed town? - You knew what JOAT and Absorber were, but not Unconfirmed masons? Met posted:##unvote This seems like it was a lot of words to post "the doctor should protect the cop or tracker" and feels like an attempt to generate content. And it also feels counterintuitive given that he voted TheRam for trying to plan towns' moves.
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Mar 16, 2015 16:13
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Murmur Twin posted:Going after the claimed Tracker is highly suspect to me, because in the event that TheRam was town (which a scum Met would obviously know), lynching TheRam would have been really good for scum. Plus Met hadn't put any attention on TheRam prior to that - going from no (known) read to voting for him for being a tracker doesn't feel like a real reaction to me. People who argued against TheRam after the tracker claim: merk posted:Can we please lynch TheRam right now? Somberbrero posted:Sure. Ernie. posted:##vote theram Ernie. posted:lumpen over merk Murmur Twin posted:This seems like it was a lot of words to post "the doctor should protect the cop or tracker" and feels like an attempt to generate content. And it also feels counterintuitive given that he voted TheRam for trying to plan towns' moves. Yeah, I told the Doctor to protect the Tracker or Cop and then took the 50% chance to kill TheRam. You caught me. :rollseyes: His arguments were lengthy and hostile. No one was going to work with him to accomplish anything. I provided a concise and simple plan that would give the town the best chance with a plan being made... and you think I gave the town a plan and then tried to kill one of the two most likely people to be protected. Murmur Twin posted:- Does this mean you started the game thinking that you and Ernie were confirmed town? Argument from incredulity You might be a cop, but your arguments are piss-poor.
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Mar 16, 2015 18:17
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Mar 16, 2015 18:18
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Can we just lunch Numerrik and play the night action game again?
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Mar 16, 2015 18:24
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Murmur Twin posted:NUMERRIK The ratio of votes:reasoning doesn't skew in Numerrik's favor. In most cases, he is just following along with the majority, which feels scummy to me. Excellent - who are your two scummiest suspects right now and why? Also Why not? [/quote] In order, I am new to this and didn't have much time to play when I was running o/t. I have more time now, as for scum, I would say Hal and merk, because I don't trust that Hal isn't faking to cover his night kills, for merk, lurking and claiming to be vanilla, I honestly believe there are more roles. For not commuting, I can't do it two nights in a row, and I didn't want to be dunked n1.
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Mar 16, 2015 18:25
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I received a role PM from Opo stating that I die at the same time as the lynch flip.
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Mar 16, 2015 18:26
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Yeah, according to Hal's claim, merk will die at the end of this day phase. If he doesn't, we just hang Hal.
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Mar 16, 2015 18:28
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numerrik posted:For not commuting, I can't do it two nights in a row, and I didn't want to be dunked n1. "dunked" is their word for lynching, not dying ever. At least I think.
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Mar 16, 2015 18:29
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Met posted:You might be a cop, but your arguments are piss-poor. I'm just asking questions!  Did you start the game thinking that you and Ernie were confirmed town?
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Mar 16, 2015 18:34
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm just asking questions! Duh? I thought I made it clear I didn't know what an unconfirmed mason was. I came in slightly late and my role PM was a forward from Poque. I got the basic information "Town, Mason, Ernie" and went reading the game thread.
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Mar 16, 2015 18:54
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I'm going to throw this out there: Most mods would have rerandomized the scum list if you pulled a CPig, Newbie, Newbie scum team. I don't know whether Opo falls under 'most' or not.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:21
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With an SK role, we could have a Scum SK Cop or a Scum Doctor. I guess what I'm saying is: The last scum is probably some veteran player that you aren't going to catch with some magic role-based plan.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:28
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Are cops investigations 'magic' now?
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Mar 16, 2015 19:32
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Somberbrero posted:Are cops investigations 'magic' now? I'm amazed that I have to spell this out for someone who played in so many games: It could be a Scum SK Cop lying about results or a Vanilla Scum lying about results. The last scum could be a Godfather which makes the investigation results meaningless.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:34
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If you aren't building cases on players based on day 1 interactions with flipped scum, you're going to lose this game. The last scum is now playing like a Survivor and may have something in his or her tool set to counteract a role-based conclusion to this game.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:35
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Merk, it could even be a magic Scum Doctor. 
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Mar 16, 2015 19:36
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Whatever, good luck.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:37
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merk posted:If you aren't building cases on players based on day 1 interactions with flipped scum, you're going to lose this game. The last scum is now playing like a Survivor and may have something in his or her tool set to counteract a role-based conclusion to this game. For what it's worth, this sounds quite reasonable.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:49
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merk posted:I'm amazed that I have to spell this out for someone who played in so many games: quote:The last scum could be a Godfather which makes the investigation results meaningless. I have to imagine that if/as the game goes on, scum is going to eventually NK me and it will be clear I was town. Other than that, all you're saying is that we should be making cases on scum suspects which seems like a given to me. Do you have a reason to think Somber or I are scum, or are you just saying that it's a possibility?
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Mar 16, 2015 19:52
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I'm saying that there is very little scum hunting in this game, and it's going to cost us the game if it continues this way. The best case made so far today is mine on Amoeba which is two lines. I've won in this situation as scum in a much larger game.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:58
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merk posted:I'm saying that there is very little scum hunting in this game, and it's going to cost us the game if it continues this way. The best case made so far today is mine on Amoeba which is two lines. Murmur Twin posted:AMEOBA102 (click link for full post, I snipped it for formatting) merk posted:I'm saying that there is very little scum hunting in this game, and it's going to cost us the game if it continues this way. The best case made so far today is mine on Amoeba which is two lines. - Why didn't you suspect Amoeba back on D2 when I cased him? Nothing you cited is new information. - What are your thoughts on Numerrik and Met?
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Mar 16, 2015 20:11
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Murmur Twin posted:- Why didn't you suspect Amoeba back on D2 when I cased him? Nothing you cited is new information. You don't need to ask probing questions to try to figure out my alignment; I'm dead at the end of the day. I'm suspecting Amoeba now because I made a new case after seeing that TheRam isn't scum. It's that simple. quote:- What are your thoughts on Numerrik and Met? I don't think Numerrik is the last scum because I believe most mods would have re-randomized a CPig, Narc, Numerrik scum team. It could be Met. My case on him is all tone though. Something feels Survivory off reading him in isolation, like he's not actually trying to find scum and instead dinging around on other players.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:16
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Here are my notes for what they're worth. Who did you protect last night, Somb?
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Mar 16, 2015 20:30
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I dunno if that's something I should be telling.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:33
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Probably a good idea, yeah. Scum don't need to pick up a pattern from you.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:37
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merk posted:You don't need to ask probing questions to try to figure out my alignment; I'm dead at the end of the day. I'm suspecting Amoeba now because I made a new case after seeing that TheRam isn't scum. It's that simple. Fair enough - upon further reflection my questioning you was possibly an emotional reaction to saying you had the best D3 case after (a) repeating stuff I said about Amoeba and (b) ignoring stuff I said about Met/Numerrik. quote:I don't think Numerrik is the last scum because I believe most mods would have re-randomized a CPig, Narc, Numerrik scum team. I've never modded a game so I don't really have a feel for if that's correct or not. quote:It could be Met. My case on him is all tone though. Something feels Survivory off reading him in isolation, like he's not actually trying to find scum and instead dinging around on other players. In the case of Met I lean town. He said started the game thinking Ernie was confirmed town, and on a reread his D1 posts seem to back that up. If anything, I'm content to trust Ernie's read on Met so far. MCED and Amoeba are the next two people I plan to take a good look at today. I'd be suspicious of Merk or Hal but am content to see how the poisoning plays out.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:52
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Murmur Twin posted:I've never modded a game so I don't really have a feel for if that's correct or not. I don't ever do this.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:03
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other than the re-randomized scum team merk is making good sense. Kind of sorry I poisoned him now.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:33
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Hal Incandenza posted:other than the re-randomized scum team merk is making good sense. Kind of sorry I poisoned him now. Even Ecco admitted to fudging the scum team if it came out all newbie in the Discussion Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2456022&pagenumber=493&perpage=40#post351816729 There's a more recent discussion than that post, but I couldn't find it with the search thing in ten seconds.
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merk posted:Even Ecco admitted to fudging the scum team if it came out all newbie in the Discussion Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2456022&pagenumber=493&perpage=40#post351816729 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2456022&pagenumber=493&perpage=40#post351804444 Also, Ecco, if you're searching for yourself: you yelled at me in a game for telling you that your setup was not very fun. You seem to have forgotten this post: quote:This is something we as a community have always tried to dodge without any serious discussion, and I'm hoping to start the conversation. It seems to me that it is a moderator's place to ensure that a game is, first and foremost, enjoyable. If players aren't having fun, then they're not playing, they're working. However intimately tied to this is the idea of "fairness," that every faction in the game, if their victory means the end of the game, has an equal chance of attaining it at the start of the game. It seems to me moderators have an obligation to make a game fair AND enjoyable fo their players, and this would justify going into a game after the RNG has been made and doing a "second edit," fixing gross imbalances that could not be taken into account without knowing every player's role.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:03
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Hal Incandenza posted:other than the re-randomized scum team merk is making good sense. Kind of sorry I poisoned him now. Don't feel sorry. He's only got himself to blame . As for re-randomisation. It's irrelevant mod/setup speculation. Vote on post content and information like that not some nebulous idea of how Opop would fudge a team if he were to.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:05
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Amoeba102 posted:Vote on post content and information Go ahead. Please make that vote.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:06
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I'll vote Amoeba or Numerrik and I definitely don't super care which.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:07
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Oh wait, Numberman is a Hider, that's testable. Why did Opop say Commuter rather than Hider? I have never seen anyone use that term while playing SA mafia. Kinda tastes like a fakeclaim.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:09
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Hider hides behind someone, commuter is just untargetable. The distinction is the hider can die if they hide behind the wrong person, ie scum or the nightkill.
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merk posted:Go ahead. Please make that vote. Yeah man. I'm working on it. My primary read* just got got a town result on them from the cop. *From a reduced pool of players excluding the soon to be dead.
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