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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:They are doing a pretty good job with DLC for these games, They probably could of really nickle and dimed people and charged for individual units like 5$ for huntsmen 10$ for dread saurians and 20$ per faction leader and you'd of had people in the thread coming in defending it saying "It's just a fraction of the tabletop prices, what's the big deal" They are doing an excellent job actually. This latest DLC cost like 8EUR which is what you pay for a lovely low tier premium tank in WoT a "F2P" game.
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The Sea of Claws being so drat small is what makes Norsca a constant pain in the rear end. Sometimes I'm glad Bretonnia is so eager to take settlements in that hellhole, and then not so glad when they start ganking northern Imperial provinces.
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Brettonia has thus far been pissing about in frenchy land and not doing anything productive. Norsca on the other hand has been doing basically nothing but raid the northern coast.
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OwlFancier posted:Brettonia has thus far been pissing about in frenchy land and not doing anything productive. Norsca on the other hand has been doing basically nothing but raid the northern coast. edit2: Then again I'm a bad that gets annoyed dealing with endless doomstacks on the harder difficulties so I am always on Normal so its easier to afford an extra army to stick up there. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 13:05
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Less smoothskins more SKIIIIIIIKNSSSSSSSS https://twitter.com/41Strange/status/1168928612210401281
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I usually just garrison an army up in Nordland's port city and have it burn down the two nearby Norscan settlements any time they get settled. This allows you to nuke whatever army they have while it is weak (having just colonized). It turns into a nice little honeypot. The army never sits idle long. Edit: and if you are feeling frisky you can get the army in a good position near one of those settlements to Sack then Encamp and just chain sack it to get the general a lot of XP. I'm playing SFO on Hard so I actually don't have the resources to launch a campaign against Norsca on their home turf, cos that attrition is murder and I can't replen on the sea. I'm too busy conquering the rest of the empire anyway.
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Some more info from Grace on how confideration works with Nakai. quote:If you confederate Nakai: Sounds just about how I’d want it to work. Can’t wait to have my vassal own the entire world through peace or by mace.
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I'm pretty new to Total War games, only played a bit of this (High Elves Tyrion Vortex) and Three Kingdoms. What should I be doing with Vampire Coast? I picked Count Noctilus since he had an easy rated start. After playing a high elves campaign I can make zero sense of this faction. Most of the front line infantry also has ranged attack but sometimes just seems to sit there and die instead of firing. Do I just raid/plunder coastal towns or should I be trying to occupy stuff? Which units are not complete rear end?
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm pretty new to Total War games, only played a bit of this (High Elves Tyrion Vortex) and Three Kingdoms. What should I be doing with Vampire Coast? I picked Count Noctilus since he had an easy rated start. After playing a high elves campaign I can make zero sense of this faction. Most of the front line infantry also has ranged attack but sometimes just seems to sit there and die instead of firing. Do I just raid/plunder coastal towns or should I be trying to occupy stuff? Which units are not complete rear end? Vampire Coast's infantry is mostly there to hold the line while your handgunners murder everything (see also: new Skaven DLC). Guns can be kind of difficult since they need line of sight, but if you can get them on a hill or to the side of the enemy they'll chew through them. The faction has a lot of bonuses to ranged damage and ammunition and their artillery is pretty good as well. Generally I run a LL, a Vampire captain with Depths magic hero, and maybe a crazy inflatable arm guy for heroes, and then a shitload of guns and whatever the minimum chaff seems to be to hold the line successfully. Your basic infantry are just a speed bump to let your gunners engage. You eventually get crabs, who are a tar pit that bites back and your gunners can aim around. There are also Depth Guard, who look like they're tanky but it's a lie. They regenerate when in combat but you need to let your chaff engage first because if Depth Guard get beat on before getting into the fight they'll crumple. jerry seinfel fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 14:42
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If you set guard mode in your ranged units they will still fire when part of the regiment is engaged in melee. Deckhands will also fire while moving, which makes them fantastic at chasing. Your zombie units are easily replaceable with raise dead, so don't be afraid to lose them.
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm pretty new to Total War games, only played a bit of this (High Elves Tyrion Vortex) and Three Kingdoms. What should I be doing with Vampire Coast? I picked Count Noctilus since he had an easy rated start. After playing a high elves campaign I can make zero sense of this faction. Most of the front line infantry also has ranged attack but sometimes just seems to sit there and die instead of firing. Do I just raid/plunder coastal towns or should I be trying to occupy stuff? Which units are not complete rear end? I don't own them but in my experience fighting them, you want as many cannon crabs as possible, that's it 
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm pretty new to Total War games, only played a bit of this (High Elves Tyrion Vortex) and Three Kingdoms. What should I be doing with Vampire Coast? I picked Count Noctilus since he had an easy rated start. After playing a high elves campaign I can make zero sense of this faction. Most of the front line infantry also has ranged attack but sometimes just seems to sit there and die instead of firing. Do I just raid/plunder coastal towns or should I be trying to occupy stuff? Which units are not complete rear end? The great thing about, and the curse of, the vampirate campaign is that you can do pretty much what you want. Want to occupy territory? Go ahead. Want to play like a horde and level up your flagship? Be our guest. My limited experience is that you don't want to do everything at once. Pick an area to play in and a tech path and stick to it for a while. With Noctilis, pick a cardinal direction to go and spread out from there. Focusing on growth for your flagship is always the right choice, however. Basic recommendations for units and tactics: Zombie pirate gunnery mobs with handguns are fantastic. Aim to get those ASAP - you can never have enough of them early game. Add couple of mortars and a meat shield of your regular deck hand mobs and you can clean up early. Avoid bombers and hand cannon zombies, as they are tricky to use. Crabs and hulks are decent line breakers, but don't depend on them. Depth guard and mornghuls, while fantastic, are not front line troops. They are your fast flankers. Bloated corpses are a gimmick. Don't spend too much time and effort to get value from them. The default strategy with the coast is to tar pit your enemy with zombie deck hands, flank them with fast movers, shoot them up with handguns and bombard them with a mix of artillery and magic. Afriscipio fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 14:53
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Hmm ok thanks guys. Should I be checkerboarding my front line with the handgun(rifles?) guys? They seem tricky to use, I'm still trying to figure out how to make unit facing moves properly. Is there an easier way to rotate a unit that I'm missing? Like I got flanked by cavalry on my last engagement and obliterated because my units stood there like dumbasses while I tried frantically to right click/drag them to face the appropriate side.
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If you tell a ranged unit to attack another unit they will point to face them. But generally the trick to gun armies is "don't get flanked by cavalry" which means either shooting them before they get close, or bringing something to intercept them, generally your own mobile element cos spears are too slow to protect a whole line.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:08
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Another trick with ranged units is to keep them in squares rather than rectangles. A square turns faster. And unlike past TW titles, in WH2 models in a single gun unit don't block each other. The whole unit fires, not just the front rank. A square is more vulnerable to missile fire though.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:15
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Also, squares will get loving annihilated by AoE spells. You will learn this, repeatedly, when facing Wurrzag as Dwarfs.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:22
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One of the biggest ways new people get owned in quick battle is by forgetting that this game absolutely punishes long unchanging lines and tightly-packed blobs, and the AI just refuses to make use of this against your pretty pretty static formations. AI Wurrzag should get in touch with the others.
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If you're doing a ranged heavy army, one of the best things I find is to send your heroes to go pick fights with the enemy front line, they'll tie up whole units and you can shoot the poo poo out of them while they all stand around in a big circle trying to beat up your lords.
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jerry seinfel posted:Vampire Coast's infantry is mostly there to hold the line while your handgunners murder everything (see also: new Skaven DLC). Guns can be kind of difficult since they need line of sight, but if you can get them on a hill or to the side of the enemy they'll chew through them. The faction has a lot of bonuses to ranged damage and ammunition and their artillery is pretty good as well. Generally I run a LL, a Vampire captain with Depths magic hero, and maybe a crazy inflatable arm guy for heroes, and then a shitload of guns and whatever the minimum chaff seems to be to hold the line successfully. someone should post one of those jpgs that explains how to checkerboard your formation. in shooty armies it's pretty much necessary.
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TaintedBalance posted:Did they buff Skeggi in a recent patch? He is throwing out a pretty bullshit army on turn 3 against my push and his base seems waaaaaaay better defended than it was previously. Are you supposed to actually push up against the Skaven first now or something? Skeggi has been spamming Horsemen armies since the Vampire Coast update more or less. They are annoying but if you mass skinks (like a 2:1 Skink-Saurus ratio) they melt under javelins. I get rid of Skeggi by turn 3-4 normally (I don't play VH/L though)
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kidkissinger posted:someone should post one of those jpgs that explains how to checkerboard your formation. in shooty armies it's pretty much necessary. 
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I didn’t know that the position of the unit card determines their position in formation my life is gonna be so much easier now.
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They really need some system for saving formations. I have to spend way too much time arranging my army the same.way for nearly every battle.
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kidkissinger posted:They really need some system for saving formations. I have to spend way too much time arranging my army the same.way for nearly every battle. Yes please. This and mortal empires turn times (or just the ability to play first game armies on a smaller map) are the biggest improvements that could be made to the game. Unlike turn times this one is probably doable. Meanwhile dorks are filling forums with posts wondering why oh why they did not put a unit called “spear chukkas” in the game.
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kidkissinger posted:They really need some system for saving formations. I have to spend way too much time arranging my army the same.way for nearly every battle. Comrayn posted:Yes please. This and mortal empires turn times (or just the ability to play first game armies on a smaller map) are the biggest improvements that could be made to the game. Unlike turn times this one is probably doable. Comrayn posted:Meanwhile dorks are filling forums with posts wondering why oh why they did not put a unit called “spear chukkas” in the game. edit: I know it will crowd Lustria even more but I hope Lostericsson of the Kul or whatever becomes the third Norsca LL and is playable on Vortex. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Apparently whether through AI alterations or just plain bad AI, you shouldn't have to worry too much about beastmen/skaven/greenskins underwaying past your forts as Empire. There is no cap on the new provincial RoRs you can get (Carroburg greatswords, etc), you can recruit as many as you want into any army. There is a cap on Dread Saurians for the lizardmen. People were apparently complaining about the texture quality of the steam tank a lot I guess out of boredom, and so that's been changed. Slann rework: -Rite of Awakening has been changed to "be more accessible". For Nakai, it looked like it said you only had to recruit 20 units. That might be because of his horde nature, or that could be the new default -Performing the Rite opens a Dilemma screen, where you choose which lore of magic your Slann uses. Slann have access to either fire, life, light, or high magic. They no longer have mixed lores or access to heavens magic, since Skinks already have it. -Slann now spawn with "generational traits", based on which spawning they were from. They provide buffs to their spellcasting and armies, as they were stated on stream to be "the best leaders for armies" (paraphrased). -They're better magic casters than Skink Priests, to better incentivize you to take a Slann lord over a Melee Lord and a Skink Caster. ad090 fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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I am worried about the horse's ears on those gun wagons.
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Twigand Berries posted:I am worried about the horse's ears on those gun wagons. I am worried about what is riding/guiding said horses.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTarV6ftNE&t=1069s Something discussed in this video that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere. Unit caps will now be in ranked battles.
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I'm really digging those slann changes. I was always a bit disappointed in how not-worth-it they were.
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I dont know posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTarV6ftNE&t=1069s That seems like a great addition to the game.
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I tend to like range heavy factions but I'm absolutely rockin' Nakai next week. drat them Dread Saurians. Huge fuggin' dino pwntrain has left the station!
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Hunt11 posted:That seems like a great addition to the game. It was already the rules in any organized play so it'll just make quick battle less of a "luck of the draw" as to whether you get a fun opponent or a douche. The gold standard would be fixing draw kiting but how you'd do that idk. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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It's still not gonna fix the corner camped flying gently caress squad with a steam tank problem though.
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The problem with the Steam Tank textures was that they were using a texture size half as big as what all other large units use. According to the modders from the modding discord, it was using what an infantry model would be using.
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Azran posted:The problem with the Steam Tank textures was that they were using a texture size half as big as what all other large units use. According to the modders from the modding discord, it was using what an infantry model would be using. The questions that comes to mind is just "why?" The answer is of course, "because CA." Glad it's being fixed, don't see why it took 3.5 years to do so.
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Nakai seems to have taken lessons from the Tom Bombadil Battle for Middle Earth 2 school of combat dancing.
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I'm really not seeing the value or point of archers for the Empire, specifically in campaign. Their range seems oddly low at 120 (5 better than a Goblin), they have abysmal stats otherwise and don't even benefit from having more models. So why not just go with Free Company? Or just wait a few turns to get Crossbowmen? They only seem like they'll be useful in cheap and chaffy local defense armies.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Nakai seems to have taken lessons from the Tom Bombadil Battle for Middle Earth 2 school of combat dancing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZouiWmzWoY&t=40s
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The hunter has become the hunted, gonna be taking a stroll to Lustria in my campaigns now.
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