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Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Gaunab posted:

They're not even hiding the fact that Jeff's voice actor's voice is changing.

Jeff's got the same VA, he's just older and going through puberty

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Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Looking back at the April Fools episode, you really feel for Squidward. Spongebob put Squidward in the hospital, drove him to suicide, and might've actually killed him a couple times, a little garbage is nothing in comparison.

I feel like at the beginning, Spongebob was very genuinely exuberant, even if to a degree that annoyed everyone around him, and then at some point it became all about him being an idiot goblin who everybody hates.

The april fools episode was a season 1 episode, back when Squidward was less sympathetic (if only by the fact that the other characters were more sympathetic) and the most screwing over happened in episodes where he was essentially hoisting his own petard (such as Opposite Day and Squidward the Unfriendly Ghost)

VolticSurge posted:

Two words: Target demographics. And another 2 words: Casey Alexander.

I think Casey was just a storyboard artist, not an outline writer.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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VolticSurge posted:

He IS partly to blame for the Squidward abuse,from what I understand. I mean, he goes out of his way to defend The Splinter on Twitter,so he's a few bees short a hive.

I don't entirely remember the splinter (though I know why it's hated) and I don't think it was a squidward torture porn episode

Kinda a moot point now, as there was a 2nd exodus of writers and boarders before and during the 2nd movie

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Guy Mann posted:

Band Geeks is one of the best episodes of a comedy cartoon ever made, and Squidward winds up being the hero in that.

https://vimeo.com/61875169

It goes to show how important outline writers are, as Aaron Springer was the main boarder for both Band Geeks and House Fancy (the squidward's toenail episode)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Megaspel posted:

There's poo poo loads of Spongebob I've never seen apparently. I only watched it as a kid, and now it doesn't really appeal to me any more, and apparently it went downhill after the early seasons?

I've heard that the 2nd movie was good and that the episodes produced after the 2nd movie are good (by post movie standards). But yeah things started getting dire during season 4 (though early season 4 was good)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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mycot posted:

Spongebob is one of those shows with a really obvious "line of demarcation" between the quality and poo poo episodes. It's when the first movie is released.

Eh early season 4 was decent. I think the last episode often cited as still good is that season's mermaid man and barnicle boy episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5GFWMnY6dc

computer parts posted:

It helps there was a major hiatus around that same time.

e: Spongebob started in 1999. They are currently on Season 9. That season started in 2012. They are on episode 19 (each episode is two segments).

It's because they halted production of season 9 when the 2nd movie went into production: The first 11 half hours primarily aired (and were all produced) from 2012-13 (with some stragglers in 2014, including one that wasn't aired until shortly after the 2nd movie) while the remaining 15 are airing from 2015-16.

Why do I know so much about spongebob production when I haven't seen the show myself since 09

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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I did some searching and found what seems to have started the bullfighting thing

http://bogleech.tumblr.com/post/142...odes-of-the-new

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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SlothfulCobra posted:

At least it's made me appreciate the original more. Not feeling to optimistic about the new Samurai Jack though.

Well at least the new Samurai Jack has Genndy still involved. Not sure about most of the other crew (guys like Paul Rudish and Aaron Springer are at Disney now)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Toxxupation posted:

Get better friends. Ones who don't advocate harrassment brigades over cartoons for little girls, something he is neither.

To be fair his post was a reblog: the one who posted the links was his wife. Still kinda iffy. He's also been on this "ask me about my opinions on this cartoon" kick and they've been interesting to read, even when I don't agree with him.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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I only brought him up in the first place because the whole "promotes bullfighting" thing sounded familiar. I don't agree with a chunk of his opinions (though Awful Hospital is great) and I agree that we probably shouldn't be dwelling on him.

To change topic: What's your guy's opinions of the old 80's-early 00's trend of giving every remotely popular movie a cartoon, regardless of the film's original target audience?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8tPiOaxn2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4WPqOzpSg0

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Mr Interweb posted:

Since we're talking about shows from the late 90s....what did y'all think of Cow and Chicken?

Wasn't allowed to watch it as a kid because of the crude humor, though I do remember enjoying the times I secretly watched it. I find it interesting that it (and it's spin off I Am Weasel) were the only ones of the in-house (as in, made by Hannah Barbera/CN Studios) Cartoon Cartoons to have a radically distinct artstyle until Robot Jones. (Ed, Edd n Eddy, Mike, Lu & Og, Courage, and Sheep in the Big City were made by other production companies)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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raditts posted:

I loving hated Cow and Chicken. It was such a desperate attempt to clone Ren and Stimpy.

Well the Cow and Chicken guy WAS an animation director on the early days of Ren and Stimpy.

Years after Cow and Chicken a innocent toyetic Korean cartoon about environmentalism was picked up for a dub, the company that picked it up decided to do something interesting with it, they got David Feiss involved, and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNMnZ27RV4

yes that is Flavor Flav

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Corek posted:

Cow and Chicken was already being phased out when I started watching CN as a kid. I think it was the first of the Cartoon Cartoons to end.

You'd be correct: Looking it up, the final episode of Cow and Chicken premiered in late July '99 (I think it was after the show ended that I Am Weasel spun off into it's own show where the episodes of it's cow and chicken run were combined into individual half hours while a further 9 half hours worth of episodes were produced)

In an alternate reality where Dexter's Lab never got revived Dexter's Lab technically would've been the 2nd to go (the final episode of Tartakovsky's run was in summer of '98 (before powerpuff girls premiered) while Ego Trip was december '99)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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raditts posted:

Really? I thought the original run was much longer than that.

Well this was before CN stopped rerunning their old shows after a few months of them ending, so Dexter's Lab was still being reran back when the revival happened

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Digamma-F-Wau fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jul 4, 2017

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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max4me posted:

The 1970's had the teenager and wacky character sloving mysteries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RjALTeULI4

The 1980's had the more mercenary buy the toy cartoons which was a sad waste of potential.

I think cartoons like ren and stimpy, rocko, simpsons, bevis and butthead, southpark. They are remembered fondly cause they were subversive at the time.

Adventure time really changed the way CN does stuff and really kicked off alot of good cartoons in my opinion.

but what did the '00's have? Seriously I'm trying to think of a common thread but I can't think of anything

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Corek posted:

When did bug tumblr man become America's foremost cultural critic? What makes him worth posting about?

I agree, let's talk about something else.

What are you guys expecting from the upcoming Disney shows Billy Dilley’s Super-Duper Subterranean Summer (created by Aaron Springer, the Korgoth of Barbaria guy) and Country Club (created by the Houghton Brothers, who both had worked on Harvey Beaks)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Also the animation has so many blatant and obvious errors it's not even funny.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Basically there are many reasons to dislike the reboot and a good chunk of them have nothing to do with it tumblr at all.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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PicklePants posted:

God drat, those Mickey Shorts are creative and beautiful, especially for using flash. It just goes to show you what COULD be done with it.

Actually Mercury Filmworks (the animation studio that does the Mickey Shorts and a lot of other modern Disney shows) uses ToonBoom, though given that A: Roughly half of the crappy looking "flash" cartoons are actually made in ToonBoom and B: I'm pretty sure that a good chunk of the "non-flash" cartoons do use flash, but just draw things frame by frame like cel animation instead of the techniques used by both crappy "flash" cartoons and Mercury Filmworks's output, your point still stands.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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raditts posted:

I'm not sure exactly what you guys were expecting from a cartoon called loving "Bee and Puppycat"

I'd agree if it wasn't for the pilot setting up expectations

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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kefkafloyd posted:

Considering Nickelodeon is a wasteland right now, that's not a high bar to clear.

Chris Savino's been in so much stuff, is this his first real series that he's created? You can see the lineage from his Mickey shorts style, hopefully it works in a series.

Savino only worked on one Mickey Mouse short. It's a good one though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCXPwJvZPVI

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Kinda funny how the one that wasn't made by a Regular Show crew member was the one more like regular show. (Minty Lewis works on Regular Show, George Gendi works on Gumball)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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You know, the premise of Bottom's Butte is actually a bit if you think about it for too long

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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don Jaime posted:

I think he made Kick Buttowski.

He didn't create Kick Buttoski but he WAS executive producer on it

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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drrockso20 posted:

Well depends on how direct of a reference you mean, both South Park, and Drake & Josh had Game Cube parodies(both coincidentally being sphere shaped), and an episode of Billy and Mandy more indirectly made fun of how non conventional/awkward the N64 and Game Cube controllers were

The difference is that those were contemporary references, while SU is using those for nostalgia.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Waffleman_ posted:

Yeah, when they first showed the pilot for Clarence, I actually got mad at how boring it was, and that went over into the advertising, which I thought looked awful, but then the show comes along and it's quite good. Even the pilot's good, though I don't know how much of that is the original pilot and how much is expansion.

the only thing the expansion added was the framing device and the piñata song (the pilot had jeff saying that he loves piñatas)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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drrockso20 posted:

That's often the case with shows that Derrick J Wyatt works on

that and Chins

good chins, but still chins

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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axleblaze posted:

Yeah, I liked AT even when everyone was giving up on it but I understood their complaints mostly but right now I don't know what problems people are having with it. After the last show runner left they've pretty much not had any of the things people complained about and it's mostly been Finn and Jake having adventures

Adam Muto's still the showrunner (and if you're talking about Jmoyns, who along with Herpich had been a pretty prominent boarder, often coming up with his own episodes, his last episode only aired a few weeks ago)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Sorry to bring back a topic from months ago, but remember when the thread was talking about Phineas and Ferb and someone brought up how the last few episodes had some annoying bug characters?
Here's a page from the original pitch:

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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kefkafloyd posted:

The bigger crime is that summary paragraph. Multiple spaces after punctuation marks with a proportional width font!

Check out that proto-Doof though. It's like he's from Universe-1.

Interesting that Irving's in the original pitch. Kinda gives off the impression that he was retooled into Baljeet and then they decided to use his design later.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Y-Hat posted:

It's a shame that there isn't much/any room for non-Marvel cartoons on Disney channels these days, and also that the Marvel shows that we do have are subpar.

I heard that there's a new cartoon on Nickelodeon that's surprisingly not horrible. Something about a big family? Are the rumors true?

There's a few more disney shows lined up the next few years; the Big Hero 6 cartoon, the Tangled cartoon, the DuckTales reboot, the show from Aaron Springer (of Spongebob, Samurai Jack, Krogoth, and Mickey Mouse fame) called Billy Dilley's Subterranean Summer, and another show called Country Club.

Apparently the Loud House (created by Chris Savino, who was the showrunner for both the Dexter's Lab revival and the final two seasons of Powerpuff Girls) is beating Spongebob in ratings.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Y-Hat posted:

Wow, that's not a good previous track record at all.

His artistic track record's a bit more varied; he storyboarded on a ton of of the old cartoon cartoons, as well as getting his start as a layout artist on Ren & Stimpy and a character/prop designer on Rocko's Modern life. He was also a producer/director on the first aka good season of Johnny Test.

His writing record also includes a few older powerpuff girls episodes (he was apparently hand picked by McCracken himself to take over, and the show had ended not because the network decided to renew it but because both him and McCracken decided that the show was getting stale), a few various episodes of various shows (the mickey mouse short that he did that I linked earlier in the thread was pretty good), and this old pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mTtJlBkack

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Y-Hat posted:

I refuse to believe such a thing exists.

good by johnny test standards (objectively it's okayish. It's not flash-style animation for one)

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Y'know, Jimmy Neutron was REALLY weird in retrospect.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Two new Mickey Shorts (one was apparently from last week, but wasn't uploaded until now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i59ce67U9Gc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7O22GuSc58

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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Electric Phantasm posted:

I'm glad they're still making those, I thought they were done doing them for some reason.

I've heard that they're almost done: no 4th season has been announced, current season's approaching the length of the first 2, heck now that I look the current season's around the same length as the previous two so these might be the last ones

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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HorseRenoir posted:

I've always gotten the impression that Ben 10 is way bigger overseas than it is here, and that global popularity and merchandise sales are the reason why they keep making more of it, despite having virtually zero on-air presence in the US for years.

Sounds about right. They also probably want a "boy show" to accompany the PPG reboot

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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VolticSurge posted:

Speaking of which,is that show any good? I've heard people telling me that either it's surprisingly funny,or unwatchable trash,like Go.I've seen a couple of clips which made me laugh,and the Flying Knuckles gag had me in stitches,so I've been thinking of giving it a shot. But I would like a Goon's stance on the show.Might help me decide,either way.

From what I've seen, the good stuff (usually involving Eggman or Knuckles) are like tasty fruit nuggets in a sea of bland, unflavored oatmeal

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Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

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mycot posted:

Let's talk about literally anything else.

Like why are they calling it a Ben Ten reboot. Nobody calls the different Transformers shows Transformers reboots and the last Ben Ten cartoon is two years old.

because the new ben 10 is in a new continuity (unlike the previous ben 10s)

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