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SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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“Paradox should make a grand strategy game that just gives me text interrogatives and no actual control in the game! This is what everyone wants!” ITT

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SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Hey yea, oh wow, what a bunch of great ideas! Here’s another, I think paradox should just make a VR grand strategy game that simulates a dick that I can jerk off and blow a load on any surface.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Mans posted:

Wait, I'm SUPPOSED to pain the map using the colouring pencils? Why does Paradox insist on doing these micro managing mechanics?


Well, the Portuguese dude who tried to make a stand alone Magna Mundi who got sent to the mental hospital wanted me to hang around the office, but it was summer time so i went to the beach instead and when i came back the guy was in the looney house so that was a missed opportunity :v:

Are you the retard that basically proposed turning grand strategy games into glorified interactive comic books?

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Fuligin posted:

...do you know the history of his involvement in stellaris?

Stellaris is trash hth.

spectralent posted:

Okay, sure, development isn't DLC, but the only way the game lets you meaningfully interact with development is a DLC feature, so it can't meaningfully change due to the DLC model. Like, if another DLC or update was going to make development change with trade power, or something, it'd be altering a DLC feature. I don't think I've had horde razing come up in 90% of EUIV games I've played, so I feel like in spirit development changes end up being another orphan mechanic.

I feel like it'd obviously be better for immersion and a degree of historical accuracy if development changed. It feels kind of insane that, unless you want to waste a bunch of mana, you can dominate world trade in multiple goods and have undisputed hegemony of the world and your capital is probably still poo poo.

The way MP (magicka points) is used makes complete sense. At first you’re totally dependent on the rng of your government but as the state gets more and more massive your income gets bigger and you could invest the resources of your now massive state with massive resources into technology or infrastructure (development) if you don’t like that then you’re automatically a retard.

Why is everyone in this thread starting their sentences with “like,” that’s some little dick poo poo.

SnoochtotheNooch fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jun 26, 2018

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Fuligin posted:

like, that was not a post about the quality of stellaris, like, you seem like kind of a retard?? i dunno, hth

The childish manner in which you speak is nearly indecipherable. You sound like shaggy from scooby doo that was intentionally designed to sound like an imbecile.. Want to hear about the quality of stellaris? It’s poo poo. :smug:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Ive just made the mistake of going into the paradox forums and reading the autism posted there. Basically a bunch of morons espousing propaganda for the country/group of cities they want to play as.

I might understand this poo poo in the context of a big MP game with tons of people trying to turn opinion against another group, but these games are for the most part single player focused. I’m reminded of some very cringy adults rping with plushies.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Phlegmish posted:

Agreed, India shouldn't be in there at all.

Yea the game is called emperor of Rome so obviously we need to get really specific with the culture and history of pre-Gujarati India and the 50 nearly identical states in China at the time. I also think it would be really important to flesh out the Congo’s rich history during this time period since it was they who had the biggest impact to societies everywhere.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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CharlestheHammer posted:

Nah that is basically the logical conclusion of that blade dudes argument.

It’s not a good faith argument

What exactly do you expect to get outside of the Roman/Parthian empires? If they didn’t interact in a a meaningful way with Rome or Greece during this time period not much was recorded. And if there is a history of them then it wasn’t as colorful as the go to sources for Rome/Greeks. If anything I’d like to see varying governing systems, like nomads/republics/feudal systems in ck2. I don’t really know much/care about the raja bagpur during this time period.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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CharlestheHammer posted:

We also know very little about the Parthians or even the Gauls.

This is not a problem that only effects the Indians. It actually a problem for most of the factions. If you set a game in this time period you are gonna run into this issue a lot.

What? The romans talk about the Gauls from the first sack of Rome up until the western empire fell. There’s plenty of documentation on Gaul/Iberia/Anatolia. India.... not so much. Ya know why? It had nothing to do with Rome during the time period the game is set in.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Flavius Aetass posted:

why can't the dates go into the modern day and have all the tech into the internet age
:goonsay:

Serious question, will I be able to play as Napoleon in this game? Titles don’t matter.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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CharlestheHammer posted:

That seems like a big assumption from the release of one map insanely early in development.


Man Victoria must have hosed with you hard considering how little that game cared about Victoria.

I feel like someone has already said why that’s a stupid argument in a way that won’t get me probated from another paradox thread. I don’t think anyone is suggesting no effort should go into anything other than Rome. But most people I feel would expect that to come with future updates, much like ck2 was all about feudal Europe, at first. And eu4 was all about the Hre, at first. But saying that the title of something is meaningless is completely retarded. ‘Rome: Imperator - an anime tentacle porn where Amiko Gogomi reclaims her brothers lost virginity’

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Beamed posted:

Yeah, the arguments some posters have been making that India and Rome had 0 to do with each other is frankly baffling.


Like here. This is just embarrassing to post.

I feel ya. Tell me about the exciting and rich interactions India and Rome had with each other. Go ahead, lets hear it.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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CharlestheHammer posted:

The last page is literally full of em.

Lol

Oh hey yea wow! Looks like some roman merchants set up a trade post in some southern indian village! What rich history! jeez im so embarrassed for being a dumbass and not realizing the history of Rome and the history of India are extremely relevant to each other! Like, Rome the city that conquered the Mediterranean could not possible have a story told a million times by a million different historians and not be completely intermingled with india every single time it's history is told.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Jazerus posted:

the imperial trade fleet was at least 120 ships annually for hundreds of years and this isn't counting private merchants. the indian trade was likely worth more than any of rome's other interactions with foreign powers - a single one of those ships held enough value in rome to buy 500 square miles of land along the nile, some of the most valuable land in the empire.

no, they didn't war with each other or anything, obviously, but the roman state was under constant financial stress even with heavy taxes on this hugely valuable trade - you could make a pretty compelling argument that the empire would have collapsed into bankruptcy at like twenty different points in roman history without it.

there is a reason the europeans later bothered to sail around africa just to get to india you know

Ok, and I think thats about as interesting as you could describe the interactions they had. When you think about history, typically there are landmark events, plots, characters, (everything in these games) within a country, or its neighbors. Theres really no meaningful interaction there. They traded goods back and forth and it benefited the empire.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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CharlestheHammer posted:

Well there is a difference between arguing you don’t need something and something had no effect.

One is just opinion and the other is hilariously wrong and proves you probably shouldn’t talk about history. As you clearly don’t know any of it.

But it’s the internet so they will never admit they were wrong and just double down forever.

lol at the irony in this post. I actually am fine with india being in the game. Even if theres no compelling stories of interactions with indians I usually like the variance a different culture/governements paradox adds to their games. I just wanted to drag on this really stupid argument bc you have such a hard on for india for some strange reason.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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CharlestheHammer posted:

Puppet Master defense? Nice.

Idk what that is, I dont post every day of my life. Just like to talk about games. You seem pathetically tied to 'winning' a discussion I hopped into halfway through though.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Koramei posted:

The Seleucids literally had a giant war with the Mauryans—who go far beyond the Indus—just a couple of years off the game’s start date. If the game were solely about Rome then I can kinda of see the argument, but as we have established, it’s not. I mean hell, the Mauryans are probably straight up the most noteworthy power in this period; why shouldn’t they be in the game?

Yea, and a Parthian player would definitely benefit from having more poo poo to do in the east while they let Rome get huge.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Why are people acting like PI games are all about tactics? the tactics in EU4 can be simplified by 'click tech up, click new best unit for either defend, attack, balance, spam cav early and spam arty late.' You can be a complete moron and not understand the game tactics and do just fine with more/better numbers/modifiers.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Ive got +1000 hours of both CK2 and EU4. Will I experience anything new or interesting if I pickup vicky2?

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Mantis42 posted:

Imperator: Rome - Veni

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Splicer posted:

Are you actually arguing that capitalism is required for technological growth?

I would.

Mantis42 posted:

Most of these things existed in Song China. Why does no one talk about the gap left by the Mongol Dark Ages?

I always took it that what the mongols did (in china) was not totally unusual for the area. They essentially hopped in and put on the emperor hat for a few generations and then became lovely and failed.

The muslim world got totally hosed by mongols tho.

SnoochtotheNooch fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 24, 2019

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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My contibution: Let rulers with the insane trait march through impassible terrain.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Yall know this is a video game right?

No matter what the gently caress you do or dont do, or how many numbers you manipulate up or down, history already fuckin happened. The game is the history only what if...


The real fuckin sickos are the one massacring whole entire loving planets in stellaris.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

American treatment of Indigenous peoples to the west literally inspired Hitler's war of extermination in the east.

I get it, a lot of people hate the US post 1950, but this is just wrong. WW2 is the direct result of WW1, Hitler killing off a shitload of Jews in the background is just the ideological replay of many pogroms of the past which is why there's a word for it.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Crazycryodude posted:

Just woke up to lmao all over again at this incredible post from someone who definitely understands history, not just half-remembered propaganda from 10th grade

Please explain. What evidence do you ahve that germany was for sure not full of nationalists who wer eincredibly interested in "fixing" the loss from WW1 that they felt was not a genuine loss? How many times in the past had jews not been forcibly ousted/targeted by the state government? You understand that had hitler/nazi's failed early that there were many other nationalist groups looking to do mostly similar things?

I love it when people post randomly insulting poo poo and then three posts later will cry when im semi mean to them.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Crazycryodude posted:

Your post was denying the extremely well-documented historical fact that the core of the Nazi project (and thus the core of the war they started to achieve that project) was a campaign of genocidal extermination and colonialism against all the untermenschen squatting on the rightful Aryan lebensraum out east. One of the many racial enemies were Jews, for lots of complex reasons including a millennia-long tradition of anti-Semitism, but the reason the Nazis went to war at all was so they could murder or enslave everyone east of the Vistula and replace them with German settler colonists. Any serious historian will tell you all about this, and while humiliating France and getting revenge for Versaille was undoubtedly a part of the German political milieu of the time, the Nazi ideology and the war specifically were focused heavily on the east, and their grand plans to become the America of Europe by exterminating all the inferior natives and taking the rich natural resources for the benefit of the superior Aryan rulers. That's a metaphor that Hitler himself used, he wanted to re-do America except "properly" this time with even harsher racism and genocide because the original Americans "wasted" their shot by letting a bunch of mongrelized racial enemies into the club. This gets conveniently left out of most American history classes for obvious reasons.

I actually don’t disagree with anything you just said. I reread my original comment and I think I just slept through what I though I was arguing about. Lol

Theoretically, the circumstances of how ww1 ended was always going to lead into ww2. Hitlers rationalizations or inspirations aside.

SnoochtotheNooch fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 14, 2021

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Mans posted:

It really took the wind out of the game's sails for me for sure.

I would still buy a really good game regardless who made it. Good game design deserves to make money. Regardless of if the people who made it suck. I would much rather play a good game with great content made by a piece of poo poo who deserves to be fired for the way they behaved personally, than play a terrible unfun, unoriginal, devoid of content game created by someone who’s ideology i align to 100%.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Mans posted:

There's no proof of Victoria being any of that since it hasn't been released, so if you're pre ordering you're not defending your own stance.

Plus

I’m just saying regardless of the outcome of what paradox is or isn’t doing, if the game all of these people worked on is a good I would buy it so other games companies see what content is good, what isn’t.

Also, what has so far been 100 proven that paradox as an entity is doing?

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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YF-23 posted:

I do not understand why you are making an ethical thing re: markets and messaging out of it, for that is a battle you must surely be aware that you will lose.

I’m just saying I don’t want to sink what’s IMO a good ship over what sounds like a single rat. Just read the article about this, so I understand it’s bropably not a single douche. It’s weird af to me the men at this company wouldn’t call out a creep who shoved his face into a hug with coworker.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Lady Radia posted:

i'm going to buy Diablo 2 Remastered in spite of claims against Blizzard so that Sega understands my thirst for action RPGs

Pretty much.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Lady Radia posted:

I was making a satire post because I briefly forgot that it was dead. I agree with the idea individual consumer decisions don't really impact stuff, but LOL at coming in just to say "oh it's just ONE bad apple, im gonna buy it no matter what, PS what else happened"

You seemed adversarial and I often poo poo post a nonsensical retort whenever someone makes a definitive statement. It’s a personality flaw I have.

I’ll go ahead and admit I regret my first post lol.

I actually do think the poo poo said about paradox is super hosed up. I love paradox games and it’s a huge bummer to know that people making the games I like are letting this poo poo happen.

quote:

"I have been to meetings where I'm the only woman in the room, and I say 'Hey, I really think we should go this direction, based on my experience', and someone looks at me, and they say, 'You know what, you're just here as a token hire. So I think you should be quiet about this'," one woman said.

Imposter syndrome is a huge fear for most engineers and for a woman engineer to hear that would be fuckin horrifying. I don’t understand how that would not immediately get the one who said that fired.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Turbodisciplined prussian supermen appeal really strongly to paradox fans even though Friedrich II and Bismarck were the only decent military rulers. That's why being a german protestant in Berlin in EU4 instantly gives you the best military in the game, in 1522.

See also: how anti-Hitler Germany does all the same poo poo as Hitler in HoI4, but it's totally not nazism, it's just glorious, unimpregnable prussian militarism, germans doing what they must do, etc etc, so the usual types can cum to their stalhelms but not be nazis.

I’ve always had the impression the Prussian state was a super threatening military force as soon as it “existed”. Is this not the case? Also I don’t think you have to be a nazi enthusiast to be interested in the turbodisciplined Prussian army or whatever. There’s definitely other examples out there that get the same fascination IMO, samurai/Spartans.

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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genericnick posted:

This, but actually I just want V3

I think it would be cool to build the fleet comp, fund massive dreadnaught production/development, but then not actually have to drive the fleet around.

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SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Meanwhile Crusader Kings fails to even represent catholic feudal latins well

What do you mean?

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