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aleksendr posted:Same problem than MWO: Online, nother CryEngine product. Many player started calling it "turret simulator : online" It's surprising to me that more people don't complain about this, I noticed it right away when I played arena commander a year ago. Lol
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1500 posted:Sorry if this has been posted already, but the UEE fleet number seems to be just the number of ships sold not the number of payed accounts, according to Disco Lando Holy poo poo that's hosed if true. I personally still have four ships even after getting a bunch of them refunded. It completely obfuscates the number of actual accounts and makes me seriously wonder what the true amount spent per backer is. Everything I've said online I would gladly say to any of their faces. In fact I've had multiple conversations with Ben directly saying the exact same thing I've said in public. In my opinion Ben and Jared are responsible for this community turning into a toxic hellhole where any opinion that isn't effuse praise of CIG is culled and ridiculed. Through poor policies, poor enforcement, and a complete lack of professionalism on their part CIG community management has been one embarrassment after another. Their priorities are marketing, not management, and their inability to manage expectations will only lead to further toxicity and negativity as the game is revealed. Mirificus posted:
At least that chart used December 2011 as the start date instead of October 2012. Progress!
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Sarsapariller posted:This is just pure delusion. Ignore all the netcode issues, ignore all the multicrew bugs- put all that aside. Just dogfighting with a dozen people in AC is a complete clusterfuck. Weapon ranges and turn radii are so tight that you are pretty much guaranteed to run into each other in a fight of more than 3 or 4 people. It's not like EVE where poo poo's slow paced enough that you can take a 15 minute break and not miss any action. It's not even like MMO combat, where you're at enough of a third-part remove from your character that you can get a picture of what's going on. It's a frantic mess. Bumping it up to even 30 or 40 people would be awful. I can't imagine more than that. Now, in a large scale war across multiple zones? Sure. But the second you start slotting people in randomly, that bomber interceptor squad is never going to bump into the bombers and an awful lot of mechanics start to fall apart. Croberts has built a dogfighting game based on the old Wing Commanders that fundamentally cannot work on the scale that people envision. * In the Million Mile High Club....
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G0RF posted:Tony Z. actually said on "Around the Verse" they are very close to adding up to 40 simultaneous players in the same instance*! In a server instance, I think, 40 would be fine. Many more would be fine. But in a fight, more than a handful makes it just an incomprehensible random mess of ships because the ranges are too low.
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Eonwe posted:god drat it  https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6039884/#Comment_6039884
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Sarsapariller posted:In a server instance, I think, 40 would be fine. Many more would be fine. But in a fight, more than a handful makes it just an incomprehensible random mess of ships because the ranges are too low. The range doesn't matter for WW2 in space. Croberts believes everyone will break off into 1v1 dog fights so the copilot can aim his iron sights over the space-prop blade.
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Sarsapariller posted:In a server instance, I think, 40 would be fine. Many more would be fine. But in a fight, more than a handful makes it just an incomprehensible random mess of ships because the ranges are too low. What's hilarious to me is that there are people who bought the Idris and the Javelin - giant, multi-crew capital ships - and there is the very real chance that the game will not support enough players in the same instance to actually run the ship...what happens then? Congratulations, you literally have a $2500 hangar queen.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:It would be great if it turns out they've got like 300,000 $45 backers and 20,000 $4000 backers. No loving poo poo they needed a referral system. I've heard CRoberts mention on a 10FTC some time back that the majority of packages are entry level, so a left skew distribution with mostly $$ backers and a minor population of $$$$ backers with some extreme $$$$$ outliers is probably correct. The website quotes 837, 024 for the UEE Fleet as I write this, so I think 500k - 600k is a generous figure for the total number of backers with ships at this point. It could be lower, but given how tight lipped CIG has always been with any sort of meaningful figures, it's tough to say. For sure, implying there are 1M star citizens completely misrepresenting how much backer interest there really is.
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Sarsapariller posted:In a server instance, I think, 40 would be fine. Many more would be fine. But in a fight, more than a handful makes it just an incomprehensible random mess of ships because the ranges are too low. I just think it's hilarious that the Million Mile High club is chewing up any dev cycles-- that they are trying to up the player count for the ultra exclusive in-game sausage party seems so typical. Like spending so much time trying to get the most high fidelity explosions ever seen in game-- when your spaceships still fly around like balsa wood. Speaking of jokes that fall flat-- did anybody watch the ending of "Around the Verse"? The Ben and Sandi dynamic seems to be getting more awkward, not less- perhaps because Sandi is just so drat sick of doing this. But usually they try to fake some frivolity in the last seconds. This time, not so... G0RF fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Chalks posted:So say this is true - that their pool of people willing to actually buy their poo poo is vanishingly small - does that actually mean they're going to have trouble continuing to fund the game by basically repeatedly selling crap to the same group of people? Or have these people proved that by this point they're all too loving stupid to stop spending money so it will just go on and on? It's that second thing.
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G0RF posted:I guess your misread my intent in posting that. My joke fell flat. Sorry yeah, I'm half working and half reading, missed your point.
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G0RF posted:Speaking of jokes that fall flat-- did anybody watch the ending of "Around the Verse"? The Ben and Sandi dynamic seems to be getting more awkward, not less- perhaps because Sandi is just so drat sick of doing this. But usually they try to fake some frivolity in the last seconds.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Holy poo poo that's hosed if true. I personally still have four ships even after getting a bunch of them refunded. It completely obfuscates the number of actual accounts and makes me seriously wonder what the true amount spent per backer is. Well, how many people do you need spending 100k per day? Lets do the math. Assuming the maximum amount of 500k people spending money on this thing per month (I seriously doubt it is more than that, but I could be wrong), they are are spending $6 a day or $180 a month or $2160 a year Now, lets just keep halving that amount: 250k backers = $12 a day or $360 a month or $4320 a year 125k backers = $24 a day or $720 a month 62.5k backers = $48 a day or $1440 a month 31.25k backers = $96 a day or $2880 a month 15k backers = $200 a day or $6000 a month 10k backers = $300 a day or $9000 a month Obviously anything at or below 125k is probably too low (nobody is spending over a grand a month on this poo poo. At least I hope not). I suspect the actual range is between 500k - 250k. Any lower than that and the amount spent per person just goes up too high for it to be rational. I just ran the rest to see how much it would take for even a decent amount of people to fund this thing on 100k a day. It puts things into perspective at just how good SC is at making money from a good number of people. And it also illustrates just how high the number spent per backer might be.
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Mirificus posted:konsept Mirificus posted:prinsbile I'm dying
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Dapper Dan posted:Obviously anything at or below 125k is probably too low (nobody is spending over a grand a month on this poo poo. At least I hope not). I suspect the actual range is between 500k - 250k. Any lower than that and the amount spent per person just goes up too high for it to be rational an amount of spending too high to be rational is $1
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I'm pretty sure you guys are putting more thought into cigs finances than they are
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Hey, I thought I'd be helpful and make a graph to go along with the "Dev time" one...
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Enchanted Hat posted:an amount of spending too high to be rational is $1 True Romes128 posted:I'm pretty sure you guys are putting more thought into cigs finances than they are I just wanted to see how absurd it would get, didn't take much effort 
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hey jared just cuase bens fatter doesn't mean yo'ure not fat also that beard only hides like two of your chins
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Xaerael posted:Hey, I thought I'd be helpful and make a graph to go along with the "Dev time" one... psh those other games didn't need a cash grab because they were reliant on money made by previous releases that were received well. Star Citizen is pure; funding couldn't rely on previous games because Roberts hasn't made a game in years. Or a good one. idiot
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Xaerael posted:Hey, I thought I'd be helpful and make a graph to go along with the "Dev time" one... you missed the "games released" z-axis
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Xaerael posted:Hey, I thought I'd be helpful and make a graph to go along with the "Dev time" one... Add "in millions" to your X axis and that's the perfect rejoinder.
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So have they raised $100M yet?
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Dapper Dan posted:Well, how many people do you need spending 100k per day? Lets do the math. Assuming the maximum amount of 500k people spending money on this thing per month (I seriously doubt it is more than that, but I could be wrong), they are are spending $6 a day or $180 a month or $2160 a year Your math is suspect. How does 500k people spending $6 per day equate to $100k per day?
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Dapper Dan posted:Well, how many people do you need spending 100k per day? Lets do the math. Assuming the maximum amount of 500k people spending money on this thing per month (I seriously doubt it is more than that, but I could be wrong), they are are spending $6 a day or $180 a month or $2160 a year Technically you only need one Swedish crime family.
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SirPhoebos posted:So have they raised $100M yet? i would say :2weex: but it'll probably be less
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SirPhoebos posted:So have they raised $100M yet? (it's not like their counter would know the difference...)
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:i would say :2weex: but it'll probably be less Christmas sale is next week.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Technically you only need one Swedish crime family. 
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Xaerael posted:Hey, I thought I'd be helpful and make a graph to go along with the "Dev time" one... owns
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Christmas sale is next week. Happy 2weeXmas everyone!!!!!
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Mirificus posted:
Patch z: -Fixed bug whereby land locked players would hop a transport and murder everyone on board and dump the corpses in deep space and continue griefing.
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blueberrysmith posted:Jesus. I'm not sure what's going to collapse first, Star Citizen or Lesnick's skeleton. That dude has one foot in the grave.  to get ryan davis back?
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here in sweden we celebrate christmas eve, see we also have a better track record of scams, seeing how the gizmondo was actually released
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Romes128 posted:I'd be willing to bet one of these cultists kills cr in a fit of rage if the game doesn't release or is a pile of hot poo poo. Most likely Ben. As if these cultists will be deterred by reality. Look man, Roberts didn't fail us, we failed him by not giving him enough money. We just didn't understand game development. 
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Sarsapariller posted:Ship with literal swords built into it for ramming decides to ram- is described as "rear end in a top hat." News at 11. drat, whatever excuse they call physics in this game is so loving poo poo. Look how that Glaive is just noclip flying. :vomit: I've been following this thread for laughs for ages now, but I'm just going to have to stop - my brain is just breaking .
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BMan posted:I'm dying  to notice those grotesque misspellings but now that you've pointed them out, I can't stop giggling whenever I see them.
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Dirty Hairy posted:It's that second thing. Yes, The "Trained Whale" level of backers. Once you reach a critical mass of stuff and sunk cost falacy some people just buy things because its available. Startreck Online have whales having to use 2 accounts for premium $$$ ships since there is a limit (54) on hangar space per account. Of course at 40$ a pop those ships are more resonable, but its the same thing. Game turned into a shopping experience.
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