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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


DancingShade posted:

Well they might care about the resale value of their freshly harvested organs and cyberware.

what kind of a loser accepts an organ that was once in a poor person

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I liked Witcher 3's combat for the first 20 hours.

It was boring as gently caress for the 100+ hours that came after that

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Dark_Swordmaster posted:

A lot of people's complaints about the combat are also from launch. Witcher 3 now is radically different from when it launched and they've patched the combat and movement animations. There's a whole second movement mode you can turn on now.


But, as said multiple times above, it's standard internet hyperbole. People complain about something easily but rarely ever praise.

I just thought the combat was far too shallow for such a long game. By hour 20 I had mastered the system and there was nothing even remotely challenging for the rest of the game and it was just a slog. That would have been fine it the combat was enjoyable for itself like say dark souls or character action games.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


AndyElusive posted:

A lot of dumb negative opinions on the Witcher 3 combat.

You could adjust the difficulty on it if ever got too easy. There were multiple ways you could fight monster types. For PC gamers you could mod it to make it more complex.

If the fighting ever became boring to you then that's kind of on you.

I played on death march from the start. After a while the only thing the higher difficulty did was make fights take far too long.

Kawabata posted:

No it's definitely on them but no one would expect a combat with the complexity of Bloodborne in a game like Witcher 3. When Horizon: Zero Dawn came out people were like "and gameplay is loving amazing too!" but yeeeeaaaah no it wasn't but it was good enough that it didn't make the game worse. It's the same with W3.

I would have enjoyed Witcher 3 a lot more if it had HZDs combat.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


If a game expects me to spends like 150 hours on it and a significant portion of those hours in combat I drat well expect the combat to be deep enough to be enjoyable for that time.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


chaosapiant posted:

No one disagrees. My original point was that Witcher 3's combat was enjoyable and it's unfair to hold it's combat to a standard set by games who are known for their combat.

In other words, just because a 3rd person rpg/action game doesn't have Soulsbourne or Platinum levels of combat does not make the combat poor or un-enjoyable. I enjoy games for what they are, not what they aren't.

I enjoys games for what they are too. To me, Witcher 3 was stellar in everything but the combat, which I found a boring slog. It doesn't really matter whether I compare the combat to soulsborne/platinum or not, that doesn't change the fact that I didn't enjoy the combat.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


frajaq posted:

the one thing that weirded me out in Witcher 3 was the shitloads of crafting schematics for armor/weapon you could find and 99% of them would be entirely worthless because it was always a better option to just make witcher gear and improve them over time

probably won't be an issue in Cyberpunk (is there even any crafting?)

Ok, in addition to combat I disliked the leveled loot and crafting in W3 too.

But yeah, I doubt cyberpunk is using similar systems.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Glenn Quebec posted:

I don't understand people. It's like the guy from earlier who hates walking during dialogue because of cinematics (and it being stupid in general) then don't walk during dialogue????

Same with Witcher combat, you love everything else but hate the combat --- then put it on easy and it won't even be a thing to waste time on. Just breeze through it and enjoy everything else.

Even on easy the game had a loving ton of combat to waste your time and the game was obviously built as having combat be a major part of the game. Just deleting combat from the game doesn't fix the issue.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ragg posted:

Well you're giving it a pass because you thoroughly enjoy mediocre combat. Also I disagree that it's unfair to compare it to the Soulsborne games. They should simply make better combat if it's going to be such a huge part of the game.

He's not "giving it a pass" if he just genuinely enjoyed the combat.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Claes Oldenburger posted:

EDIT: On that note, if people think TW3 combat is utter garbage for an RPG, how do they feel about the elder scrolls games :psyduck:

It's poo poo

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


GrossMurpel posted:

I don't understand refunds. I haven't bought a game I didn't like ever since public reviews were implemented. There's always more than enough people in the negative reviews giving detailed pros and cons lists and those should be enough to tell you whether the game's for you.
E: To be clear, this isn't about you personally disliking this one specific game (though you're crazy obviously), it's about the general case.

Playing a game for one hour will tell me a lot more about it than reading a few reviews

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Look Sir Droids posted:

That’s what I use YouTube LPs for, without risking Steam not refunding for reasons. 2 hrs of gameplay in some games just isn’t enough of a test drive.

Steam will refund you no questions asked if you are under 2 hours played as long as you aren't doing it like constantly

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


GrossMurpel posted:

People always bring this up and it's such a silly point to make. I specifically mentioned reading the ones that make actual pros and cons list, not just one sentence meme reviews, and even you talked about reading "real reviews". Surely, the ability to find information among bullshit is one of the key skills anyone on the internet needs to have. The funny thing about Steam reviews is that you can mostly ignore positive reviews because of that.
Out of interest, do you have any recollection what those games were where even gameplay videos didn't prepare you enough for the experience?

Maybe they didn't feel like researching the game a lot and/or didn't like the feel of the game.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


GrossMurpel posted:

I couldn't give a gently caress about other consumers and their rights, what the refund system actually did for me is kill flash sales.

Is there a reason you think refunds killed flash sales?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Sininu posted:

People are impatient and didn't wait for last day of the sale. Thus flash sales would mean tons of refunds when games they bought got even cheaper.

So basically Valve killed flash sales because they didn't want customers to make informed decisions

Andrast fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jun 16, 2018

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Megazver posted:

The people who got quoted here are rather big in the, uh, woke Twitter. Like, one of them is the guy who wrote most of Anita Sarkeesian's videos and he's a) been grinding his axe against CDPR (and, well, anything else that will bait some nerds) for a while now b) has a huge-rear end Patreon c) gets mentioned in gaming media all the time. The poo poo he's slinging has some impact.

That said, I'd personally just call on a ban of "hey look at these lovely tweets" in this thread.

I don't think $4500 a month qualifies as a huge-rear end Patreon.

also lol at anybody taking mcintosh seriously

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Captain Scandinaiva posted:

Sorceresses being incredibly powerful but being reliant on (male) kings, therefore using magic to enhance their appearance, as an excuse to show cleavage and pornstar makeup was pretty silly. But other than that W3 had some of the best female characters in like, forever.

Like you wouldn't make yourself look better with magic if you could

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Captain Scandinaiva posted:

No, I would spend all my mana on a double-dick. :colbert: But that begs the question why the standards of beauty of the Witcher universe almost exactly match those of the 21st century real world. I guess you could argue that using any other standards of beauty wouldn't convey their beauty to the actual audience, since there is an in-universe reason for this.expansion.

Because it was made by people who live in the 21st century of the real world

Andrast fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jun 17, 2018

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Zedsdeadbaby posted:

So apparently they ran the E3 build on a 8700K and 1080ti at just 4K30

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/cyberpunk-2077s-e3-2018-demo-was-running-on-an-intel-i7-8700-with-an-nvidia-geforce-gtx1080ti/

I can't see it being on current-gen consoles (which CDPR has emphasized 'for now' on) without enormous cutbacks. That's a seriously beefy machine, and several times more powerful than even the X.

It's like two years before release. You really shouldn't care about performance at this point.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


They’re all randomly chosen videos from clips4sale

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Fresh Shesh Besh posted:

I haven't played Prey or Dishonored, but as long as those incentives are purely for flavor/variety then I can't fathom that being an issue.

They are not

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

The Dishonored one is literally a single line of dialogue in the last mission of the game, by a dying member of the religious police and it's not even that interesting.

e: And a cheevo.

The chaos system affects a lot more than that.

The stuff in Prey isn't a big deal though.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Earwicker posted:

true but iirc thats more about incentivizing you to not kill enemies more than incentivizing you not to use your powers at all. like using your powers to escape from various situations is encouraged.

also even "incentivizing" isnt quite the right way to put it since some players want the darker ending and maps with rats all over the place

Like 90% of your arsenal in the first Dishonored is geared for murder though. Dishonored 2 is a lot better about it.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


exquisite tea posted:

This dialogue feels like it was written by the fyads in the Zybourne Clock thread.

Yeah it owns

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


If this game is going to be half as good as this demo seems, it's going to be incredible

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Harrow posted:

:yeah:


Yeah, they've definitely done it well before. I think I'm just trying to maintain a tiny bit skeptical because The Witcher 3 had a few more built-in boundaries than Cyberpunk 2077 seems to. But if anyone's going to deliver it, I suppose it's going to be CDPR.

CDPR has also shown massive improvement in every game they have made so far

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


esperterra posted:

I like how trashy and schlocky the dialogue is, as cyberpunk should be.

exactly

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Rinkles posted:

obviously you're not talking about them, but for some its a medical condition. they get sick.

just get a bucket to throw up in next to you when you playing then

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


exquisite tea posted:

When referring to other human beings, female is the adjective, woman is the noun.

At least I learned something new today.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Dapper_Swindler posted:

That’s really sad.

Way less sad than doing it without getting paid

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I have no idea why people would want a cyberpunk game where the voice actors don’t go hammy as gently caress with lots of dumb edgy dialogue

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Rinkles posted:

Schlock and pulp doesn't necessarily imply a quality of writing.

The dialogue in the demo was extremely Cyberpunk 2020 to me

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


exquisite tea posted:

The dialogue is good, OP.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Drunken Baker posted:

I bought the Shadowrun games back when they came out but never got around to playing them. They worth having a pop if I'm jonesing for a bit of Cyberpunk?

Returns is not great but Dragonfall and Hong Kong are both great

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


oval office is a very good swear word imo

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


panda clue posted:

bunch of cunts itt

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Palpek posted:

I could see CDPR finally creating a good hacking minigame in the genre.

Bioshock had pipe dream which was ok

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


To me the hacking minigame in fallout is just opening the console, clicking on the computer and typing “unlock”

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Mindblast posted:

lol if a tweet and some demo footage can already cause this the full release of the game is going to destroy the forum.

The difference is that during release dumb arguments get overshadowed by a ton people playing and enjoying the game

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Just let people choose which pronoun (him/her) people will refer you by and that's (in my experience) good for the vast majority of trans people.

Requires like no extra work either.

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