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 Doctor Who is a long-running British television programme about a time-travelling alien, alias 'the Doctor', who goes around solving problems in time and space. There are good times and there are bad times to be a fan of Doctor Who. We're not in a good time. When Jodie Whittaker was announced to be the 13th Doctor, there was much rejoice over the casting of a woman. The issue many people forgot was that Chris Chibnall was the new showrunner. During his run, all the goodwill Whittaker's casting gained has evaporated after episodes that range from 'inoffensive' to 'offensive' aired. Now, with an even smaller season (due to the COVID-19 pandemic, not ineptitude), there are rumors that we may move on to a 14th Doctor after next season. Again, Doctor Who isn't going anywhere (thanks to foreign sales of future seasons), but there are an abundance of problems with the show going forward. Oh, and we're getting a new companion named Dan next season. The previous thread can be found here. Now for the formalities. We have a designated spoiler thread, but under Chibnall the amount of spoilers have dried like the lake in that one episode. Use your best judgement. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does. WHERE DO I START? The Woman Who Fell to Earth is a good starting point, as the current Doctor makes her first starring appearance there. This is not to discount Doctors 9-12, but so far their stories have not made a major point in the tenure of Whittaker's Doctor. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes. The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are: First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO? BritBox is the place to watch almost every episode of the original series. In addition, you're in luck if you're an American, as you can watch the original run of Doctor Who on honest-to-goodness TV (Retro TV and some PBS stations)! For the current run: ON TELEVISION UK - BBC One (first run), W USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations Canada - CTV Sci-Fi Australia - ABC (first run), ABC ME, Syfy STREAMING UK - Sky Go, BBC iPlayer USA - HBO Max Canada - Crave Australia - BritBox, Stan SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU-RAYs? Just for the bonus features alone. THE ALL-NEW GUIDE TO BIG FINISH There are literally THOUSANDS of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. In previous threads, I would pour over all the individual lines and describe them. With the great restructure of Big Finish lines, though, I have to adapt. So, here are some bullet points: -Doctors 1-12 have their own individual lines now, although obviously the first three Doctors are not played by Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee. Here's a handy guide: if it's current series Doctor Who, "Adventures" means it's the actual actors, while "Chronicles" means it's not. -The Companion Chronicles & the Early Adventures generally do not feature the Doctor, and some of them are essentially audiobooks with sound effects. Check the cast list if you want to know which is which. -If you have ever asked "what about <random character x>?", boy are you in luck! There are so many spin-offs featuring characters both familiar and unfamiliar that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a series that makes you say "THEY got a box set?" Some are good, some are bad, most are unremarkable. -Everyone has a taste, so don't rely on other people's opinions. For example, I don't care for or about the Charlotte Pollard, but some people do! Some crazy people enjoy the story Nekromanteia - you do you! THE DISCORD Here it is. The future is now! FINALLY, let's take a look back....all the way to ten years ago! Discussion about Victory of the Daleks was steering into the Doctor acting chummy to Winston Churchill. Payndz posted:Pertwee's Doctor was friendly with Napoleon, and Chairman loving Mao - during the Cultural Revolution. To wit: Chairman Mao posted:Wonderful chap, all of them.
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Jan 13, 2021 21:22
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One day, we'll know all the secrets of the shoes, and we'll stop our wandering
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Jan 13, 2021 21:26
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Catchphrase! Old episode reference!
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Jan 13, 2021 21:46
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Hot take that just came to mind: I think the next Doctor should have a (fake) mustache in honor of the Brigadier. Or an eye patch in honor of Inferno Brigadier, whatever.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:00
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Woah the last thread was the 8th doctor of threads. Didn't last long, however memorable.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:05
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CommonShore posted:Woah the last thread was the 8th doctor of threads. Didn't last long, however memorable. In 17 threads' time, there'll be a surprise revival, completely out of left field.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:25
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Homora Gaykemi posted:One day, we'll know all the secrets of the shoes, and we'll stop our wandering I can understand the TARDIS giving the Doctor clothes that fit, but where does she get them from, I wonder? Does River drop off new clothes based on her backwards timeline compared to the Doctor's? Wonder what the backlash would be if River Regenerated into a new body to pal around with later Doctors through the power of "because the plot said so"
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Jan 13, 2021 22:29
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Ooh, quoted in the first post! Weird. Anyway,
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Jan 13, 2021 23:01
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Vinylshadow posted:I can understand the TARDIS giving the Doctor clothes that fit, but where does she get them from, I wonder? Well she's a digital consciousness so she can be uploaded into an android or something.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:06
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Round things, etc Love the new thread smell
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Jan 14, 2021 00:00
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Doctor Whoooooo Doctor Who Doctor Whooooo The TARDIS
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Jan 14, 2021 00:14
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Edward Mass posted:Some crazy people enjoy the story Nekromanteia - you do you! Nope. Not buying this. I refuse to believe this.
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Jan 14, 2021 00:45
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Rhyno posted:Well she's a digital consciousness so she can be uploaded into an android or something. It's time to bring back Kamelion
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Jan 14, 2021 00:49
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Vinylshadow posted:It's time to bring back Kamelion no it fuckin isn't
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Jan 14, 2021 02:38
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I actually built a brand new Kamelion, and it works perfectly and will be an enormous benefit to the show. Anyway, I need to write down the operation instructions, but first I'm gonna go stick my head in a hornet's nest and bang a drum loudly.
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Jan 14, 2021 03:23
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I'm always interested in the DW episodes that branch away from the usual tropes of science fiction into more obscure ones. Perhaps that's a bad way to phrase it because all tropes are tropes but, hm, how do I say this - odder tropes? For example, Warriors' Gate when they are stuck in E-Space: Or Mind Robber when they are stuck in fairy tale land:  Does anybody have recommendations as to more of these? I guess I'm talking the odder the better. There is that old DW book where he, the fourth doctor?, and Romana are traveling backwards in time in a way. So they get to the place and everybody is like, thank you for saving us! I forgot it's title. Paradise or Carnival or something like that.
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Jan 14, 2021 08:34
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chibnal bad whitaker bad (good actor given bad direction and writing) thanks
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Jan 14, 2021 09:25
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Lampsacus posted:There is that old DW book where he, the fourth doctor?, and Romana are traveling backwards in time in a way. So they get to the place and everybody is like, thank you for saving us! I forgot it's title. Paradise or Carnival or something like that. Paradise of Death, by Jonathan Morris. And if you're looking for recommendations, I think the best Who option you could be looking for, if you can find it, is The Crooked World by Steve Lyons.
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Jan 14, 2021 09:31
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Lampsacus posted:Does anybody have recommendations as to more of these? I guess I'm talking the odder the better. There is that old DW book where he, the fourth doctor?, and Romana are traveling backwards in time in a way. So they get to the place and everybody is like, thank you for saving us! I forgot it's title. Paradise or Carnival or something like that. Enlightenment is kind of like that. It's more conventional than something like The Mind Robber (what isn't), but immortals having a space race on 18th century schooners is more out there than most.
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Jan 14, 2021 10:36
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Open Source Idiom posted:Paradise of Death, by Jonathan Morris. Paradise of Death is a really good read, Crooked World is not. I’d recommend either Lawrence Miles’ Adventuress of Henrietta Street or Simon Bucher-Jones’ Grimm Reality over it. For TV stories, shout out to It Takes You Away.
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Jan 14, 2021 10:55
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The_Doctor posted:Crooked World is not. Boo! It's really funny, and you cry when Scrappy Doo dies. The entire thing is caused by a sad child who asks spirits to be her imaginary friends. That's the definition of Doctor Who! This is it, it's finally it. This is my hill and I am dying on it. This will be my death. Boo I say!
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Jan 14, 2021 13:07
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Open Source Idiom posted:Paradise of Death, by Jonathan Morris. Isn't Paradise of Death one of those atrocious Pertwee audios from the 90s?
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Jan 14, 2021 14:25
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Zaroff posted:Isn't Paradise of Death one of those atrocious Pertwee audios from the 90s? Oh gently caress, you're right. Festival of Death, by Jonny Morris. Paradise of Death is Jeremy Fitzoliver.
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Jan 14, 2021 14:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZADkls2ntc Not My Daleks
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Open Source Idiom posted:Oh gently caress, you're right. Oh poo poo, yes, Festival. That's the good one.
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https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1349658161075146752
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Jan 14, 2021 17:29
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Sure, today you're delighted your shoes fit perfectly, but a little later you'll be so excited you'll kiss the woman who inadvertently killed you, and then where will you be? It's a recipe for ending up mooning over a slip of a girl across multiple regenerations, though I should clarify that I mean ordinary moons when I say "mooning" and not giant eggs. Easy to mix those up.Lampsacus posted:I'm always interested in the DW episodes that branch away from the usual tropes of science fiction into more obscure ones. Perhaps that's a bad way to phrase it because all tropes are tropes but, hm, how do I say this - odder tropes? For example, Warriors' Gate when they are stuck in E-Space: For classic Who, try some of these on for size: The Keys of Marinus The War Games Inferno The Daemons The Time Monster Planet of the Spiders The Masque of Mandragora The Face of Evil The Androids of Tara The Keeper of Traken The Awakening Battlefield Ghost Light Survival
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Looking for other good Who novels, I can't recommend "The Sands of Time" by Justin Richards enough. Featuring Five, Nyssa, and Tegan, and a cult of Sutekh worshippers, it was the one novel I wised BF would've adapted for their Novel Adaptations range. Bonus, it was reprinted a couple of years ago, so it shouldn't be hard to find.
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Jan 14, 2021 19:07
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The Wheel of Ice (2/Jamie/Zoe) is good. Good book.
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Rewatched The Eleventh Hour and gave myself a headache remembering how the entirety of Series 5 worked as whole, so that's fun
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Davros1 posted:Looking for other good Who novels Anything by Kate Orman (The Year Of Intelligent Tigers), Lance Parkin (Just War), Lloyd Rose (The Algebra Of Ice), Phillip Purser-Hallard (Nobody's Children), Kelly Hale (Erasing Sherlock), Mags L Halliday(History 101), Simon Bucher-Jones (The Taking Of Planet Five) and Lawrence Miles(Down). Simon Guerrier has written some excellent short stories, and does a pretty good job editing collections. His The Time Travellers is excellent. Ben Aaronovitch is very good, though Transit suffers from a few issues. If you can track down Genis Loci or The Also People it's well worth your time. Big fan of Paul Leonard and Jim Mortimore, particularly Dreamstone Moon and The Eye of Heaven, and Daniel O'Mahoney(The Cabinet of Light) has excellent prose. Anything by Steve Cole (Ten Little Aliens), when he's pretending to be Tara Samms, is also really good. When he's not, he's often in a more workmanlike, Justin Richards type phase, though not always. Jaqueline Rayner(EarthWorld) writes good, fun, fluffy reads, though -- ironically enough -- her best stuff has definitely been before she moved over to working on the New Series novels. Finally, barring one or two shittier books, I really like Steve Lyons (The Witchfinders) and Paul Magrs (The Blue Angel).
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Jan 15, 2021 07:04
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Lyons wrote the Witch Hunters, not the Witchfinders, which was an actual episode.
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Jan 15, 2021 07:15
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Open Source Idiom posted:Anything by Kate Orman (The Year Of Intelligent Tigers), Lance Parkin (Just War), Lloyd Rose (The Algebra Of Ice), Phillip Purser-Hallard (Nobody's Children), Kelly Hale (Erasing Sherlock), Mags L Halliday(History 101), Simon Bucher-Jones (The Taking Of Planet Five) and Lawrence Miles(Down). Simon Guerrier has written some excellent short stories, and does a pretty good job editing collections. His The Time Travellers is excellent. These are all great opinions. The Also People is a wonderful book, well worth tracking down.
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Jan 15, 2021 15:22
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Flip might have Covid  https://twitter.com/Lisagreenwood20/status/1350221496631832576?s=20
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https://twitter.com/connxrbradshaw/status/1350724452561121281
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Big Mean Jerk, was this from you?
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Jan 18, 2021 14:46
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Toss out Rory and I'd watch a season or two with just those best girls
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Khanstant posted:Toss out Rory and I'd watch a season or two with just those best girls Why would you toss Rory, the best of them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajRRbnerug8
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