|
Gabriel Pope posted:But like I said, this is not All About Kash Day. Hey gabe gabe why did you come in and drop some drive-by shade without making any alignment call or vote? Still also squinting at Kashuno for that early hammer. His posts still seem towny, but that hammer was very anti-town so I'm not sure what to make of it.
|
#
?
Oct 2, 2015 23:44
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 27, 2024 14:35 |
|
|
SirSamVimes posted:Hey gabe gabe why did you come in and drop some drive-by shade without making any alignment call or vote? I've already gone on the record as thinking you're scum. This was just more fuel for my earlier call. You conveniently don't post much, so there's not a lot for me to go off until you post more. My initial thought was that you were an SK trying to distract people from the possibility of a third party kill by throwing out suggestions of a 2x scum kill (improbable) or a vig kill (also improbable, based on the players that showed up dead.) The fact that you've jumped to the SK theory makes me slightly less certain of that theory. You spent D1 lurking hard and letting your vote comfortably rest on bandwagons, though, which definitely fits the profile for SK or scum.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:13
|
|
|
Gabriel Pope posted:I've already gone on the record as thinking you're scum. This was just more fuel for my earlier call. You conveniently don't post much, so there's not a lot for me to go off until you post more. I have no defense for my day 1 play. I played bad and I admit it. Still town though. I poked back into your history and didn't find much to go with the ~vibes~ from your drive by comment. You put a lot of pressure on Hermetic, but I was also fairly convinced that he was scum so I can't really vote you for that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:17
|
|
|
Gabriel Pope posted:CC threw together a slipshod case D1, then you pulled a ridiculously bad hammer vote to end D1 early, and now CC is conveniently hiding behind your bad play to look like they were always justified in pushing your case. I felt justified yesterday on voting Kash and even more so today. I only unvoted because I didn't want Kash to get hammered while Herm was having a meltdown. I wanted time to see just what the gently caress Herm was doing so I'd make a better vote if possible but Kash hammered that plan before I could ever reread. I'm on the road atm but I'll be back either late tonight or tomorrow morning to elaborate. I don't work at all this weekend so I'll have plenty of time to effortpost 
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:25
|
|
|
SirSamVimes posted:I have no defense for my day 1 play. I played bad and I admit it. Still town though. Gabriel Pope posted:Vimes has been doing a lot of lurking and both of his votes were for then-current vote leaders, giving only brief "me-too" restatements of cases other people have made to explain why he was voting. That might just be because he's legit busy, but he's also very quick to try to paint Something Awful! as scummy despite SA! making a perfectly relevant point.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:28
|
|
|
Oh hey, thanks for reminding me to dig that post up because it links to this one: SirSamVimes posted:Contentless? The post I quote was reason enough to vote, and I explained further after that. If you disagree with my vote there's nothing wrong with a contrary opinion, but framing my argument like that is weird and scummy. That said, after rereading I'm more leery of the fact that Hermetic jumped on the Biaga vote and hedged it at the same time which definitely pings my scumdar. I keep glossing over this post when I try to reread your post history because my attention is drawn to your bandwagon votes. I forgot that Something Awful! had been poking you and you counter-accused him. But wait: SirSamVimes posted:I agree that neither DBD nor SA seemed scummy, so it's probably a SK. It'd be weird to just casually toss out a vig when you have no reason to think it's a scummy target. I guess nobody thought SA! seemed scummy, certainly not good old Vimesy who just happened to call him scummy. So I guess no one would have a reason to single him out, right? 
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:36
|
|
|
A scummy post doesn't mean I think a person is overal scummy. Town players can gently caress up and make scummy posts.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:38
|
|
|
Above the line. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:39
|
|
|
Colonel Corazon posted:I felt justified yesterday on voting Kash and even more so today. I only unvoted because I didn't want Kash to get hammered while Herm was having a meltdown. I wanted time to see just what the gently caress Herm was doing so I'd make a better vote if possible but Kash hammered that plan before I could ever reread. I can't wait to be lynched for getting angry at someone
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 00:45
|
|
|
SirSamVimes posted:A scummy post doesn't mean I think a person is overal scummy. Town players can gently caress up and make scummy posts. Maybe, but you've made precious few posts and that was one of the few original calls you made D1. Perhaps you could share some of your opinions on who is scum so that we don't have to extrapolate from your bare bones post history.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 01:08
|
|
|
Kashuno posted:I can't wait to be lynched for getting angry at someone We'll hey you lynched someone bc you didn't like their attitude so 
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 01:13
|
|
|
Colonel, who else are you feeling for scum right now?
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 01:41
|
|
|
I went straight from work to a social thing, and I'm a bit busy tomorrow. I am reading the thread, and I'll post some concrete stuff Saturday night or Sunday. Sorry but that's how it's going to shake out. I don't like Corazon's big d1 case post. I'm following Pope's reads on SSV, and I can see the logic. Still mad at kashuno for the hammer on d1. Hermetic was clearly doing some spiteful defeatist poo poo voting for himself, but he was about a second too late in unvoting. I feel more or less fine about nth doctor and kumba right now. Same for tmm. Are you there Biaga? It's me Green Intern.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 01:53
|
|
|
Nth Doctor posted:I'll start. I just started actually. Sorry I work nights (yay service industry).
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 04:14
|
|
|
Green Intern posted:Are you there Biaga? It's me Green Intern. Hey, how you doin? Ok, now on to the big question. What the gently caress is going on... So... we lost 3 townies in 1 day cycle. gently caress. (also, hahahaha totally called the Serial Killer!) Honestly, we are at that point where anyone involved in Hermetic's lynch is liable to be looked at. Also, holy poo poo on the scum getting 2 rolled Townies. Now, on to the real issue: Kashuno posted:I wanted him gone because his attitude was actively unhelpful to town this is logical to a degree, and in part I agree. The discussion drew a lot of attention to himself, but honestly so did I in the beginning. I am sure if I had been the dumb poster near the end I would be the one on the rope and not him. Kashuno posted:I will agree that it was lovely to hammer early. He was pissing me off with his silly poo poo so I just decided I had had enough and lynched. I don't regret my decision. Wait, you don't regret your decision for lynching the town tracker? That seems a little cold-blooded. Kashuno posted:CC's case on me was based on a false narrative, and after I disproved each of their points, they continued to leave their vote on me because "nope, scum." Funny, you did the same thing to me in the early parts of day one, that "nope, scum" lasted until people started pressuring you. Now your doing the same thing to Colonel Co Kashuno posted:
That's what we are doing. Kashuno posted:I can't wait to be lynched for getting angry at someone Didn't you call me out for playing the "fine kill me I am townie" card on D1? Kashuno posted:Colonel, who else are you feeling for scum right now? Can't speak for Colonel... [b]## vote Kashuno[b]
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 04:47
|
|
I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I don't regret my decision to just lynch him and get rid of him. Everyone is sus of me but no one wants to vote, so let's go hunt scum instead.
|
Biaga posted:
 [b]## vote Kashuno
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 04:48
|
|
|
 gently caress it I give up.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 04:50
|
|
|
For the record, I didn't stop thinking you're scum because people pressured me. I did it because CC started acting scummy
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 14:08
|
|
|
Colonel Corazon posted:I felt justified yesterday on voting Kash and even more so today. I only unvoted because I didn't want Kash to get hammered while Herm was having a meltdown. I wanted time to see just what the gently caress Herm was doing so I'd make a better vote if possible but Kash hammered that plan before I could ever reread. The last time someone pulled this 'oh im so busy i'll catch up later' crap it was MMM Watchya Say in Emoji and he was scum. You need to  more - I let it slide for MMM because he was the one who pulled me into the game in the first place, and town lost because of it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 16:37
|
|
|
Biaga, rereading your post you said a lot of words but with no actual substance to anything. Why do you think I'm scum?
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 16:42
|
|
|
Biaga posted:Hey, how you doin? Biaga posted:
Biaga posted:
 Cmon dude, if you want to vote for someone at least take the time to format it correctly. The format is:quote:##vote playername Also I'm glad you're around and posting, and want to hear more from you. You're a newbie so may not realize this, but I got called out for it last game - loudly lamenting town losses can be a newbie scumtell. Also when the hell did you call a SK? What would be useful for us to hear, if you're town, is your thoughts on some of the other people. Does anyone else strike you as scummy? Information and collaboration are how town wins games.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 16:43
|
|
|
 why are you all spending so much time on setup spec and trying to dissect the two NKs Give us some reads! Out of all of you only Kumba has a vote, and it's a quickdraw vote on SSV - though it's for the same thing I'm calling out, so I can dig it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 17:03
|
|
|
I have to admit Kash is being very odd this game. ' CC points out a very good point in this exchange: Kashuno posted:I can't wait to be lynched for getting angry at someone Colonel Corazon posted:We'll hey you lynched someone bc you didn't like their attitude so Honestly, I think this CC/Kash thing might end up being the best option. I can't see both of them being scum and going so hard at each other. There is the possibility that both are town and it's just a standard town slap fight, but I think it's more likely that one is scum and the other is town. Personally, I lean towards Kash as scum, but I am always slightly biased against him. However, Kash is pushing some people to make calls, but so far his only real calls are CC is scum and he continues holding his D1 view on Biaga being scum. Let's take a different track here, Kash who do you think is town right now? I would like to hear some more from Biaga as well. He avoided the D1 lynch by sort of disappearing and being light on content. He's done a little better early D2, but I'd like to see some conclusions instead of just reactions. Also, I think Biaga and Kash are tied together and I don't think they could be scum together. And again, I lean more towards Kash as scum because Biaga reads more like someone who is still trying to figure out how to play around here. SSV continues to just slide by with no real calls, but he made sure he got above the modkill line for the moment. I would definitely vote for him. In fact, I think I'm going to do that now. ##vote SSV Preview Edit: Podima posted:
For someone posting this, I went through your history and despite your big effort posts, you really haven't posted that many reads. So I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 17:22
|
|
|
So I went back and read that big effort post from CC. I noticed he has a comment to make about why he gave people the alignment he gave them, except for Biaga, a big subject at the time. Just placed him on the list and talked about people voting him, but never justified why Biaga was at that point on the list. He mentions Biaga mid post, talking briefly about how he could be scum but probably not but maybe. He hedges hard on that, and uses it as fuel to come after me. Biaga brought this suspicion to my attention with his "can't comment for colonel" statement, which was bizarre and unnecessary, and is probably a scum slip.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 17:59
|
|
|
TMMadman posted:I have to admit Kash is being very odd this game. I'm playing differently because my play is more aggressive than normal; I have more time to play right now and I'm pretty fervently hunting scum. As for town reads right now, you and Podima look okay as far as I can tell. I'll make a lumpen list later
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 18:01
|
|
|
Kashuno posted:So I went back and read that big effort post from CC. I missed this in CC's huge effortpost and you're right, it's seriously Colonel Corazon posted:biaga has rolled over and is playing dead. Maybe this is why the bandwagon has moved on. I can believe that biaga is overly defensive right now because he's a newb who hosed up. He's basically asking to be lynched and nearly everything he says sounds pretty scummy. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for today though, because: There's no missing nested quote in the middle of that, he literally just pivots straight from biaga to Kash with like no transition whatsoever.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 19:03
|
|
|
Podima posted:I missed this in CC's huge effortpost and you're right, it's seriously I'm in the middle of rereading Kash's posts so more on that later. biaga's D1 posting was generally nuts but like other players I was will to give him a break for being a defensive newbie. And I genuinely thought Kash was scum on D1. I'd definitely vote for biaga to avoid a no-lynch today but I think, regardless of how scummy you think he was/wasn't on D1, Kash's lovely hammer on Herm comes across as completely scummy.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 20:34
|
|
|
Kashuno posted:I'm playing differently because my play is more aggressive than normal; I have more time to play right now and I'm pretty fervently hunting scum. I want to hold the whole playing differently thing against you because I've said that before as scum and I don't like that you continue to point out that you're interested in hunting scum because that is the point of the game. Also, it's interesting that you don't seem to have a town read on Kumba when most other people seem to read him that way. Got a reason for it? Got a read on Kumba?
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 21:05
|
|
|
I actually forgot Kumba was here
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 21:07
|
|
|
So taking a play from Lumpen's playbook: ~~**~~Kashunote with reasoning summaries~~**~~ Trustworthy Town
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 21:43
|
|
|
Re: Kashuno Gabriel Pope posted:Yeah, it's not like we want to do any scumhunting or anything Kashuno posted:this is a weird insinuation Kumbamontu posted:I think a defeatist attitude is something a lot of newbies (and, hell, non-newbies too) fall into regardless of alignment Kashuno posted:I disagree This is what first catches my attention. I read Kash’s disagreement with Gabe’s vote and then subsequent vote on biaga as a weird turn around. I saw it as an opportunistic vote on biaga, after he didn’t appear to be on board with Gabriel’s vote on biaga. And honestly, if it wasn’t for Kash’s attitude following the vote, I might not have paid as much attention to Kash after that. TMM calls Kash’s vote on biaga opportunistic and Kash’s response is just “nah”. It’s weak, it’s deflective, and it rubs me the wrong way. quote:
Kashuno posted:nah Kash is being a smartass, but this really rubs me the wrong way. Scummy. He puts up a case on biaga but now it just feels defensive when Kash could’ve explained when he voted for biaga. Kashuno posted:Why? Biaga answered Kumba's question with a non-answer, rather than a denial. His response is not useful, and is dodging the question. In addition, taunting a vote like that seems very scummy to me. It's a small case, but it's something for now. Later, Gabriel asks what Kash thinks of biaga again and Kash says: Kashuno posted:Yes. At this point, multiple people have jumped on biaga’s comment on D1’s lynching. Kash is just joining the chorus. Kumbamontu posted:Why? It's wrong, but why is it scummy? Kashuno posted:After resigning himself to accusation and death (twice now) he then states it's a bad idea to start killing people d1. It’s weak but it’s something. Biaga really isn’t doing himself any favors on D1 so people coming out voting on biaga isn’t that surprising. Biaga seems resigned but calls out Kash as scum (no reasoning). TMM agrees with that. Kash responds to biaga: Kashuno posted:I would like it if you post cases, reasoning, and votes. If you are town, posting analysis is the only weapon you have to help hunt scum; the posts you've been making are not helpful to town and seem more like scum dodging generating content in fear they will make their scum bros look bad or accidentally slip something. People start making cases against Herm. Kumbamontu posted:Evidence is demonstrably not everything in mafia - persuasion is. You don't have to be right, you just need to convince others that you're right. Looking for hard evidence that someone is scum is going to be an uphill battle, because everything is subjective. Kashuno posted:I really like this argument, and will have to give Hermetic a reread. Kash jumps on board. On this reread, I’m noticing that he jumps on board after other people start making cases on them. The exception would be him rallying against me. TMMadman posted:I don't like those last two posts by Gabriel. All he does is essentially call out two people for hedging, but doesn't make any alignment calls. lovely attitude again. Kash gets defensive again. This is about the point where I’m basing my first effortpost off of. Kashuno posted:I don't get you, man. His callouts aren't related to people I've even commented on except for saying I need to reread herm thanks to Kumba. I'm not calling people out without giving alignments or backing my play, we aren't acting similarly or going after the same people. What makes you think that we're both scumbros? I’m really not sure about TMM’s Gabriel and Kash scumbro theory, but I really don’t think Kash has offered much substantial in backing his play at this point. His biaga vote is pretty much in line with what others are saying. Nth calls out Kash as well: Nth Doctor posted:Kash, you went from a vote on Biaga being weird to voting him yourself in just over an hour and you've stuck to your guns ever since. This is why I agree with TMM that your vote seems opportunistic. The only waver you've had was this morning: Kash’s response is to quote himself: Kashuno posted:I don't get you, man. His callouts aren't related to people I've even commented on except for saying I need to reread herm thanks to Kumba. I'm not calling people out without giving alignments or backing my play, we aren't acting similarly or going after the same people. What makes you think that we're both scumbros? This is a crummy defense. TMMadman posted:It's because in all the hedging that Pope has done so far, he makes a post that calls you town. Kashuno posted:Fair. I hadn't noticed that. Kash answers TMM but I really don’t think he’s answered to Nth Doctor yet. Biaga posted:So I have stopped lurking in this thread, so I apologise for not posting as much as I use to (continually I am in school so Wednesdays are busy for me) but regardless i will attempt to clarify my justification for pointing a finger at Kashuno. Biaga backs up his Kash vote. I still agree with the sentiment that Kash’s vote on him was opportunistic. I can also read this as biaga as being backed into a corner and having to double down on someone so I’m taking whatever biaga is saying with a huge loving grain of salt. Kashuno posted:If my vote was opportunistic and trying to jump at the first threat I see, why would I stick with my vote as is right now when the tide on the case is turning, and there are other people being voted? It’s mostly Kash’s responses that I’m concerned with. At this point, biaga is still in the hot spot so Kash isn’t really going out on any limb here by sticking with biaga as his vote. Hermetic starts taking a beating for his messy posting. I’m more concerned about Kash sliding off the radar because of this and that’s why I bring it up in my effortpost. Kash and I have a big ‘ol slap fight. I can sum it up as: Kash is being really goddamn defensive. Kash also began looking for others to weigh in on what they thought of me. To me it comes off desperate. Kashuno posted:Colonel, how would it make any sense that Biaga is likely scum if I'm definitely scum? Do you think I'm doing some insane suicidal bussing strat? Now I’ll revisit this. 1. Thinking that biaga is possibly scum doesn’t mean I can’t also think the same of Kash. Kash is saying that I think they’re both scum together which would be loving stupid (as he points out) since they’re pointing fingers at eachother. One of them could be town, but they’re both acting scummy so either one could be a worthwhile vote. 2. When I finally posted my effortpost, the Herm discussion was heating up and I didn’t want your shady poo poo getting lost in the mix. 3.After rereading this, I can see your point. I still maintain that your vote at that time was opportunistic and looking like you took issue with Gabriel’s vote but then voting on biaga too looks weird. Good thing you’ve given me plenty of other poo poo to sift through. My effortpost wasn’t that great. I wanted to cut it down to avoid a huge fuckoff post like this. Hopefully my mindset is more clear now. I saw Kash as a good D1 vote (still do) though I was plenty willing to hear out cases on other people and vote differently to avoid a no-lynch. Now I wanna take a look at Herm’s demise. I unvoted Kash because I felt like I needed to reread Herm because it was deadline day and I wanted to make the best vote I could. Reading through Herm I can see why he got lynched and I feel like there was plenty to justify voting against him. What I can’t understand is how Kash ending the vote seven hours early with a hammer benefits anyone besides himself. Kash and Herm were the players with the most votes at that point. The second the tide turned, Kash jumped on it and squashed any more debating that would have been helpful to town. Kashuno posted:I would like it if you post cases, reasoning, and votes. If you are town, posting analysis is the only weapon you have to help hunt scum; the posts you've been making are not helpful to town and seem more like scum dodging generating content in fear they will make their scum bros look bad or accidentally slip something. I'll follow your advice to biaga. My vote on you stands.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 22:30
|
|
at TMM.
|
TMMadman posted:Honestly, I think this CC/Kash thing might end up being the best option. I can't see both of them being scum and going so hard at each other. There is the possibility that both are town and it's just a standard town slap fight, but I think it's more likely that one is scum and the other is town. Personally, I lean towards Kash as scum, but I am always slightly biased against him. However, Kash is pushing some people to make calls, but so far his only real calls are CC is scum and he continues holding his D1 view on Biaga being scum. Let's take a different track here, Kash who do you think is town right now? If it ends up that we're both town I'll eat my hat. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 22:32
|
|
|
Please give me an opinion on someone else
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 22:43
|
|
|
Also, your d1 case is weak against me, we are halfway in to d2 do you have anything to say about today's stuff other than my hammer sucked?
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 22:48
|
|
|
Colonel Corazon posted:What I can’t understand is how Kash ending the vote seven hours early with a hammer benefits anyone besides himself. Well, it conveniently got a bunch of lurkers (such as you) off the hook for posting D1 and gave you an excuse to keep pushing Kash instead of doing real scumhunting. I don't see any way that it realistically could have been coordinated between you two but you have to admit that it was a gift from heaven for you.
|
|
#
?
Oct 3, 2015 22:50
|
|
|
Okay I've done pretty awful at reading so far so I'm going to push myself and do some rereading over the thread to find some scum! Expect posts coming momentarily.
|
|
#
?
Oct 4, 2015 00:11
|
|
|
Gabriel Pope posted:Well, it conveniently got a bunch of lurkers (such as you) off the hook for posting D1 and gave you an excuse to keep pushing Kash instead of doing real scumhunting. I don't see any way that it realistically could have been coordinated between you two but you have to admit that it was a gift from heaven for you. I thought it was pretty loving inconvenient in the end. I was skimming the thread at work, saw poo poo was getting heated, and unvoted Kash because I didn't want Kash to get quickhammered when other people were making cases and there was active discussion. Turns out Herm got hammered pretty fast and we all lost out on debate time. Are you saying that I was possibly coordinating with Kash? And you don't think I'm doing scum hunting? I posted my thoughts on Kash (a lot of thoughts). You don't think he's scummy? 
|
|
#
?
Oct 4, 2015 00:21
|
|
|
Oh yeah, biaga, I really wanna hear from you. As far as I'm concerned you're still another good target for my vote. I'm surprised you're not jumping on the chance to post a more on D2 because you got lucky as hell considering how it started off. You said you wanted to look at people who voted for Herm. What do you think of them?
|
|
#
?
Oct 4, 2015 00:26
|
|
|
Colonel Corazon posted:Are you saying that I was possibly coordinating with Kash? I explicitly said exactly the opposite of that, so no. Colonel Corazon posted:And you don't think I'm doing scum hunting? I posted my thoughts on Kash (a lot of thoughts). You don't think he's scummy? Yes, I think Kash is scummy. No, I don't think you're seriously scumhunting. Your megapost is a mix of pointing out the obvious (I think literally everybody is suspicious of his D1 hammer) and rehashing your terrible D1 arguments that are still terrible: Colonel Corazon posted:This is what first catches my attention. I read Kash’s disagreement with Gabe’s vote and then subsequent vote on biaga as a weird turn around. I saw it as an opportunistic vote on biaga, after he didn’t appear to be on board with Gabriel’s vote on biaga. You keep quoting Kumba starting to back off Biaga as evidence of Kash's vote being "opportunistic." An opportunistic vote would be taking advantage of other people doing the groundwork and putting votes and pressure on someone.
|
|
#
?
Oct 4, 2015 00:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 27, 2024 14:35 |
|
|
I'm getting ~vibes~ from Kashuno. He livotes Hermetic when there starts being pressure on him. He defends me for my lovely lurking which is a weird thing to do unless he knows I'm town and wants to look good if I get lynched for being bad at Mafia. Hammers prematurely (seriously why the hell would you do that). Makes a "too scummy to be scum" argument day 2. States that Corazon's casing has been "disproved on every point" which I'm not really seeing. I'm assumign you mean Corazon's big ol' effort post, but it didn't state anything which was concrete enough to prove wrong just opinions on your opinions. Corazon feels townie for me, he seems to be making a conscious effort to analyse people's posts and find scum. Feels a lot like he was once he got the hang of Mafia later on in the Mad Max game I was running so I'm leaning town for now and I don't get why Kashuno's so fixed on him.
|
|
#
?
Oct 4, 2015 01:06
|
|