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GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Picked up the manga from chapter 32 after the show ended because what the gently caress was that and am caught up now after a few hours. Now I wish they had given the adaptation another episode just to properly troll the poo poo out of the audience with a better cliffhanger. Holy poo poo I thought I had the plot of this more or less figured out (in kinda broad strokes, I admit) but Kongman changed everything.

This has come a long way from the simple premise of 'there are big dudes who eat people and we keep them at bay behind huge walls'.

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GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



How long do scanlators for this series usually take?

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Good lord that was fast.

Holy poo poo I didn't quite see that one coming but now things are starting to make sense again. I love how Eren just pulled the same twist on us twice by now, we should have a running tally of "Times a Titan looks like it is about to ambush a main character but is actually just lunging to punch another titan in the face."

e: Thinking about it, this really was a lot like what happened during the Trost arc. Everything is hosed for everyone forever, Mikasa has a moment, and then Eren proceeds to not just turn the tide but also shake up the status quo.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



redneck sushi posted:

Not necessarily. Annie could command other titans to eat her and she didn't have pointy ears.

If that were the case she could have just instructed them to kill everyone. She was just making her presence known to them, we've seen a few times that regular Titans seem to hate Human Titans more than they hate regular people.

e: Weird-rear end spoiler placement what was I even thinking.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Quantum Toast posted:

Huh. I wonder if "coordinate" is actually supposed to be "coordinator"?

Maybe this is how the walls were built in the first place. If the wall titans were humans who did it willingly then it doesn't make much sense for the priest guy to be afraid of sunlight touching them, but if they're wild titans that somebody was controlling...

In the church's own basement is the original coordinator of the wall titans, Adam Lilith Shinji Ikari

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



ArchangeI posted:

The titans ordered to attack the castle had no trouble moving about at night.

To elaborate a little more on this, those were being commanded by Ape Titan which theoretically is a 'coordinator' or whatever it is that Eren is also supposed to be. Presumably Titans enter a sleep mode of sorts when the sun goes out, which is overriden by receiving direct orders.

So Eren could probably wake them up and tear down all the walls without it being his intention to do so. But here's the problem with that theory: if Titan commands worked like that, they probably would have responded to the Ape Titan back then. Heck, if he knew the walls were made of Titans at all, Ape probably would have made a hole in wall Rose at the time, instead of going through the trouble of climbing it up and down.

GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Oct 11, 2013

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Torquemadras posted:

Let's hope someone, anyone remembers about that loving basement at this point...

Like, seriously, now you've got some downtime and no titans running after you, investigate already!

They probably need that downtime to get back on their feet. Let's not forget the previous expedition was a major failure before the MP had to go out and get a bunch of their troops killed rescuing Eren.

Sure, Eren could probably keep a small group of fast-moving soldiers safe from regular Titans. But Aberrants are probably immune to his commands, the 'Warrior' tribe must already be preparing countermeasures against him, and God forbid them running into Ape Titan.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



You know, in any other manga I would expect that moment to have been the first indicator that Erwin would snap and end up betraying the main characters for the power to become a titan and get his arm back.

Not here though, I expect him to continue being a badass.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



I think a big part of what makes Shingeki no Kyojin hook people in so well is that Eren is this little poo poo who life just loved to kick in the balls repeatedly until he became an Avatar of seething rage against the system. He's every genocidal fantasy fueled by frustration against The Enemy in a tiny little human package. It is why the first appearance of the Rage Titan is such a powerful moment.

What makes him interesting is that he consistently fucks up and gets people around him killed, and at some point is going to have to grow into something more of a character. Kind of how like Reiner started off as this cool big brother figure everyone looked up to and turned out to be a mass murderer on the inside, but in reverse.

I don't think Shingeki no Kyojin is a fascist story, it is way too self aware for that. It just has the trappings of them, plus a few references to controversial historical figures from Isayama. But Isayama's supposed nationalism is a whole different can of worms, really.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Torquemadras posted:

I'd even go a step further. So far, there has been not a single important character death. Those who died may have had names, but they didn't impact the plot in any way. Killing off extras with a few lines of backstory makes the story look harsh and gives everyone else something to be melodramatic about, but it doesn't cause any new plot developments.

I mean, seriously. Probably the most important death now has been Hannes. He motivated Eren a bit. That's all. Which isn't bad, of course, not every story has to murder a Ned Stark.

Now, if the story actually killed off Annie or Pixie - characters that may have completed their arc, and whose death would kick off a whole ton of new developments - then, maybe, we could call the series daring in regards to character deaths. If it had actually killed of Eren, Mikasa or Armin, THEN we can start talking.

I'm fine with the moderate plot armor we've got going on so far, though. It's not ridiculous so far or anything.

I just want to say that Marco's death kicked off everything that happened with Annie. He wasn't just killed then grieved for a few panels and forgotten about, it was a key piece of the Female Titan arc puzzle.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



The death of Marco mattered to us because it was part of putting the pieces together. It is less that he was a plot critical character (he wasn't) and more that remembering the details of his death was important. A minor character dies in the background? Okay. A minor character dies in the background and this turns out to be important later? Oh poo poo I better start paying attention to these guys.

It makes you care but in a different, more morbid way I guess.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Referring to characters of the major religion in the country as "fascist caricatures" would be really funny if it wasn't kind of sad.

Words mean things, people.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



blastron posted:

Screw fascist themes, AoT is obviously a metaphor for fighting back against abusive parents.

Before the Rage Titan reveal I used to joke with my friends that AoT was actually about this. Mikasa blatantly having a thing for Eren only made the potentially incestuous tones hit harder, because I did not know of her real origins yet.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



More Muv Luv stuff: Actually they don't even classify Earth life as "life", because they think it is impossible for life to be carbon based. The creators of the BETA are silicon-based and their carbon-based BETA are the equivalent of AIs. That's why they care a lot more about machines with advanced equipment, they were trying to make contact with our computers rather than ourselves.

They are also never really trying to actually destroy humanity, because they only consider us a natural disaster they kinda sorta have to deal with if they're going to keep mining carbon-based resources. And because they are so much more efficient than us they just throw superior numbers at everything until problems sort itself out. Some of the most terrifying moments of the series come from the few times in which they actually bother to use strategy after acknowledging humans as a threat.

But the other big point of comparison with Muv Luv is that it is a work with a pretty big nationalistic subtext. The main character is put through a lot of cultural clash trying to reconcile his modern way of thinking with more traditional beliefs. While some of this is done kinda poorly (Americans are unrepentant assholes) I will say that it does manage to paint things like honor, duty and loyalty as Good Things despite being mostly a very cynical and sadistic piece of fiction.

GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Dec 28, 2013

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Livingtrope posted:

So I'm going to be honest with y'all, I just recently finished reading the manga and so skipped to the end of the thread to see what was up. Is porn game discussion a regular thing or did I just come in at a bad time?

The end days of each month tend to make for weird derails.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



If I told you there was this show with giant zombies and a genocidal main character who turns into a giant himself to beat them up, you would think that it is just another edgy shonen snoozefest. Both ML and Titan have okay concepts that are executed in a very visceral way, with an enormous amount of attention to detail, and the characters are smart yet realistic enough to really carry across how horrible the world they're living in is.

It sucks because Muv Luv would be legitimately great if it wasn't a porn game with gratuitous underage T&A. It doesn't really add anything meaningful to the story or characters (though the fan translators will argue otherwise) so it is frankly indefensible. Amaterasu Translations hosed up massively by translating the porn version because they really, really care about how the MC ends up shagging the female lead in the end.

I'm a little mad because I can't recommend it to anyone who says they'd like more stuff in the vein of Titan.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



To be fair the ancient large mammals that we (presumably) hunted to extinction were largely herbivores who had no idea how to react to seeing these tiny little guys suddenly hunting them down. They didn't have diamond-hard skin or regenerate their wounds or, you know, instinctively murder the poo poo out of people.

I mean yes, there's things that humanity could be doing that they're not trying out, but I like to think it speaks of how dire the situation is that this is the best thing we've got going.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



You're in the wrong thread, this one is a minefield of spoilers.

On that one we really need a better thread title. I know clicked on this one a bunch of times when I was still strictly an anime viewer.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



coathat posted:

Love is in the air in the latest Spoof on Titan. https://www.mangabox.me/reader/SpoofonTitan/

These usually make me smile but that last page made me actually laugh out loud. Much like the source this gets much better with time.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



The unity Attack on Titan webgame and the 3DS official one have some fierce competition now.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



FauxGateau posted:

He's basically already a princess though...

Eren is the Zelda to Mikasa's Link.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



I'm ready for a year-long civil war arc.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



CodfishCartographer posted:

So what I'm reading / theorizing is that someone (the royal family?) wanted to make a utopia, so they started making people into titans to make a threat against humanity, while also killing another bird with the same stone by using those titan people to make the walls themselves, giving them a safe, structured area to control completely (hence wiping out all previous records).

The humans that didn't wind up getting roped into the plan are the ones outside of the walls, maybe? And thus they are the good guys trying to undue the royal family corralling humanity for their own control.


Reiner and Berthold would be the closest to a legitimate depiction of left wing antagonists I've seen in media. Remember when fascism was subtext but not the outright text?

This goddamn manga.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



RyuujinBlueZ posted:

That is pretty interesting. Overall fairly obvious, I think, but she brings up some good points. I kind of wish she'd gone more into her manga theory, as I hadn't quite noticed that as much and didn't (as a kneejerk reaction) agree with it as much.

At the very least she's good at putting into words stuff that I might just have grasped intuitively but never completely reasoned out in a logical way. Also I had to resist slapping my forehead when she mentioned the mirroring going on with the Titan trio.

GimmickMan fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Mar 17, 2014

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



I would pay real money to see this sitcom animated. It is so much better than the shorts we get.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



no but you see nothing in the spoiler summary says he is wrong therefore he is right because that is how being a condescending know it all works

The way Eren beat Annie in the anime was weird and I understand how you could get that impression, but he is jumping to conclusions and grasping at straws to prove them right.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



It is a beautiful and cruel world. You don't need to kill everyone to deliver the point home, in fact it is even better if your characters keep on living in that same world.

Making up poo poo as you go along is a terrible way to tell a story, yes. But having the foundations in place and reconsidering how you'll resolve the story is better than sticking to your guns no matter what, because it shows flexibility of thinking. Whenever this topic comes up I like to bring up the series finales of Dexter and Breaking Bad. The former was planned seasons in advance while the latter kept changing as the writers asked for the input of other staff members.

In case you did not know, Dexter has been absolute garbage for years and only got worse the closer it got to the end, while Breaking Bad's final episode had 10 million viewers.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Spoof on Titan makes me retroactively regret that those characters are all dead.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Shadow0 posted:

Who voted Eren? I guess it's cool that he's like a male damsel in distress, which is pretty progressive and interesting, but there are so many cooler characters. Though it is a popularity contest, not a "That was a neat characterization idea" contest or anything. Though I question a few of the other top people as well. Ymir deserves more points.

I bet you don't like Shinji Ikari either.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Raws are out, for those inclined.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Let the monthly slamming of f5 for raws commence.

It is almost never out before saturday, do not do this.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



I agree I'd like the eotena onslaught more if isayama took notes from michael bay and joss whedon.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



I'm legit glad I picked up the manga during chapter 50 when it started pacing itself more slowly. Everything between between Magilla Gorilla and the return of the Grinning Titan was so fast paced that waiting a month to get a new chapter would have been unbearable.

It was exciting, yes, but at the same time you know that there is so much plot left that Eren & Co wouldn't bite the dust quite yet, which hurts the gravitas of the story.

When things pick back up again with the Titans it'll probably be the very last arc, so we should be getting some answers and characters might start dropping like flies.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Captain Invictus posted:

Aren't the author's political beliefs kinda hosed up? Somehow I think a military takeover is something he's projecting he actually wants and isn't just for crazy meat mecha land

The government is the closest thing I've ever seen to the platonic ideal of a fascist regime and the plot is almost literally about fascism. I am 99% certain it is a deliberate examination, though there might be aspects of projection in there. No way to know for sure until the story resolves itself.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Beef Waifu posted:

Monkey Trouble is the one true name.

I want this to be in the thread title.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Move over Mikasa, Historia is going to be our lead heroine now.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Unsurprisingly, Historia still owns.

Surprisingly, that was a very straightforward battle and might be the first major battle where things don't go horribly wrong all the time.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



Fister Roboto posted:

Is this the first unequivocal win for the good guys in the entire comic?

We had a major, end of arc battle in which nobody died and things went mostly as planned. It is weird and makes me suspicious we'll see some kind of twist in the next chapter.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



When this chapter gets animated the gifs it spawns will put toast-in-mouth titan to shame.

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GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011



...The wait for this month's chapter is going to feel really long.

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